SouthernKing
crickety cricket
The piety hit, if you have gone on Crusade and have 1000+ piety, is not that big of a deal, really. It's just retaliation you have to worry about.
Crusader Kings 2
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The piety hit, if you have gone on Crusade and have 1000+ piety, is not that big of a deal, really. It's just retaliation you have to worry about.
SouthernKing
crickety cricket
Yeah. I find assassination a fairly useful tool, if used wisely, especially to eliminate annoying vassals
Yeah. I find assassination a fairly useful tool, if used wisely, especially to eliminate annoying vassals
For the life of me, I can't figure one out. The Duchy of Tunis constantly revolts against me, despite the Duchess/Duke having positive relations and 0% official threat of revolution in the Intrigue menu. If only I knew what was triggering it, I might be able to do something to stop it. Three generations of friendly revolutionaries now, though, it's getting old fast.
Blue Emu
GroFAZ
Distance from your capital?
SouthernKing
crickety cricket
Maybe eliminate holders until a child becomes duke? That trends to end things like that.
Also could be a bug.
I checked the revolt risk when it was at 1%, and tooltip gave a total number of positive relationship modifiers to balance the distance from capital figure (with, at the time, a short reign penalty). Then it went down to zero after granting an honorary title, so I figured I was safe. It's funny, because these friendly revolters still love me (have +20 to +40 relations now) but I absolutely hate them (-50 because they keep revolting!).
And the capital in question is Palermo, it's not like I'm in Portugal trying to control Russia. I'm puzzled, might give it a try again later during Daily Show.
I'm thinking bug or problem when my game auto-patched and I didn't restart. Maybe some flag in the save file is either missing or should have been deleted but isn't. Not too sure on the inner workings of diplomacy in this game yet.
Blue Emu
GroFAZ
I just used a Holy Order for the first time... dear God, those guys are hard-core. I gave them some land that I didn't need, and I'm going to try and vassalize them once I'm properly set up for it.
Holy Orders are beasts, that heavy cavalry is just insanely powerful. They are basically the only way to win the Crusades, otherwise the Muslims will outnumber you with comparable or better tech.
Fair warning: I don't know if you can hold on to them permanently. Once a crusade is successful in one of the duchies that comprises the Kingdom of Jerusalem, the Pope gives them money to build a fortress over there.
Blue Emu
GroFAZ
For anyone who isn't familiar with the "Accumulate Wealth" exploit that I mentioned earlier... this is what I'm talking about:
It's nice to have a high enough Stewardship to run a personal demesne of about 20 provinces. The monthly income of $50 or so is nice, too.
Note that this ruler doesn't even have any Stewardship skill-boost from education!
It's nice to have a high enough Stewardship to run a personal demesne of about 20 provinces. The monthly income of $50 or so is nice, too.
Note that this ruler doesn't even have any Stewardship skill-boost from education!
Yeah, that's an exploit if I ever saw one. I've resisted the urge to use it. Maybe increase the benefit to +2 Stewardship upon completion, but you can only take it once.
EDIT: I just checked the Dev Diary, and finally, the Crusade will target an entire kingdom at once! Yes!
SouthernKing
crickety cricket
Heathcliff
Tactician
So now that we have played this game for sometime...
How do you rank it compared to EU3? Is it better or worse?
How do you rank it compared to EU3? Is it better or worse?
I rank both CK2 and V2 as better than EU3. While all are high-quality games and I still play them all, EU3 feels too much like a landgrab-conquer-the-world kind of game with little consequence. The social and economic factors are much better developed in Victoria, and since rebellions rise up on a large scale rather than in single, isolated provinces, there is more danger and less micro-managing stacks to fight rebs, which is a huge plus in my book. CK2's dynastic system has been really interesting to play with, and I haven't gotten tired of it yet or found it to be too easy or hard, etc.
Side note, having just typed this I have realized how much my "gaming window" has shifted, when I'm essentially repeating the same arguments long ago used to convince me to try EU3 over Civ.
Heathcliff
Tactician
Interresting. I have played EU3 alot and tried most of the other paradoxgames, maybe 2-3 complete games with them. I rank EU3 as the best, but that is also the only game that I have mastered.
I haven't gotten the new expansion for Vicky2, apparently it's a big improvement.
I thought that the rebelsystem in Vicky2 was annoying, with many small rebellstacks all over, instead of just one big stack like in EU3.
But I need to learn how CON-MIL and politics works. In EU3 I feel that if I play it right, I will never get any rebels, but I cant avoid them in Vicky2.
In CK2 it seems important not to controll too many duchies, if you want to avoid rebells.
I have played Denmark and England in CK2. Any other interresting countries to start with?
SouthernKing
crickety cricket
I personally think EU3 got too repetitive after only 50-100 years, depending on who you played as. I never was able to get a game past the 1640s because of this.
CK2, each reign is different; you never really know what the game will throw at you, while EU3 was predictable to the point of boringness. You could have half a century of peace and prosperity, then your current ruler with 4000 prestige and 2000 piety dies and half the realm's vassals revolt, unraveling the whole thing in less than 5 short years and requiring 10-20 more to restore what it was before. It's a much more nuanced and dynamic game. It's much more like an RPG than a 4X in my opinion.
While we're on the subject of Vicky 2, it is a wonderful game at its core, but the unmodded game has some major fallacies (bad AI, a somewhat stagnant game world). Fortunately, PDM/APD fixes most of those problems.
I wouldn't rank V2 so highly without the expansion, and although I've never played a PDM/APD game all the way through I like the ideas they have brought into the game.
V2's rebel system has fewer rebellion events that aim to be more dangerous. In EU3, you will rarely be threatened by the single-province rebels unless your army has been completely wiped out in a war (and even then, the player can usually manipulate the AI easily enough to get them wiped out, not the other way around). The rebel-hunter stacks do take a little burden off, but I never take my eyes off them completely. It's annoying and a distraction.
Depending on how you manipulate CON, MIL, and your politics, you can either have tons or none in V2. It's a matter of what kind of government you want and what price you are willing to pay for it. Once I learned how to work with the politics (and how it interacts with the economics, etc.), I realized how much deeper of a game it was.
SouthernKing
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SuperBeaverInc.
Groucho
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