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Crusader Kings 2

ZeletDude said:
I made the Kingdom of Sicily and I am slowly advancing up the Italian peninsula, (a little above Rome right now).. and It's about ~1200 I love this game :love:
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I haven't been able to pry off HRE or Papal territories near Rome yet, but I did grab all of Provence so I'm happy there. My plan to inherit the Duchy of Savoy failed magnificently when the duchess, for some insane reason, decided to revolt against the HRE emperor and had her title stripped. After she died in prison, I just pulled my heir back and gave him a random Byzantine princess with good traits, no good land available to marry into.
 
I tried having my dynasty control 2 places.. with bad success.

In Hungary a Princess was due to inherit so I had one of my dynastic members marry her and produce kids (so once she died The Di Salerno family would rule Hungary :p), And it worked at first, with the Queen later dieing and her son (A house of Di Salerno member) becoming King of Hungary.. things then went downhill and the whole country revolted and soon enough the Di Salernos in Hungary become mere Dukes :sad:

And in the Byzantine Emperor the same thing happened, there was going to be an Empress so I married her to one of a dude in my dynasty.. same thing happened once the guy from my house become Emperor the whole Empire fell apart :(


edit: also whatever happened to that prospective Multi-player game?
 
ZeletDude said:
In Hungary a Princess was due to inherit so I had one of my dynastic members marry her and produce kids (so once she died The Di Salerno family would rule Hungary :p), And it worked at first, with the Queen later dieing and her son (A house of Di Salerno member) becoming King of Hungary.. things then went downhill and the whole country revolted and soon enough the Di Salernos in Hungary become mere Dukes :sad:
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At least you had a shot at the king title. Don't worry, they might rise again.

In my Scotland game, my Dunkeld relatives have been in charge of the HRE for about 3 decades and are still going strong. I matrilineal-married one of my ambitious, high-intrigue princesses to some guy about 4 or 5 ranks down in the succession line for the HRE royal family. A flurry of assassinations and rebellions followed, the empire changed hands several times over a decade, and then she and her low-ranked pawn took power. One male heir, and the HRE has been my faithful ally ever since.
 
Antilogic said:
At least you had a shot at the king title. Don't worry, they might rise again.

In my Scotland game, my Dunkeld relatives have been in charge of the HRE for about 3 decades and are still going strong. I matrilineal-married one of my ambitious, high-intrigue princesses to some guy about 4 or 5 ranks down in the succession line for the HRE royal family. A flurry of assassinations and rebellions followed, the empire changed hands several times over a decade, and then she and her low-ranked pawn took power. One male heir, and the HRE has been my faithful ally ever since.
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Another thing of note; My current King (who's 57 or something) married a Bohemian Princess, so all his kids have a claim on the Kingdom of Bohemia (which also has some holdings in Italy), which I may or may not declare war over at a later date ;)
 
This guy spent his whole life plotting to kill people. Now that he's dead, he's... ummm... plotting to kill people.

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My King in my Sicily game just died, and he ruled for over 55 years... and his son (the new king) is already 50+... :\
 
ZeletDude said:
Checked and he ruled 66 years.. :p
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I get spoiled by the long reign modifiers, and I usually have revolts after a long run like that. Good luck.

I'm a convert to the assassins--I've been trying to get the Duchy of Sardinia (along with Corsica and Menorca) for awhile now, but I haven't really had an opportunity. So I killed the Duke of Orleans, freeing up the daughter of the Duke of Sardinia, married her, then killed off the other three sons and daughter so she would be the sole heir. Now I just have to be patient for another couple decades to get a kid to inherit both and I'm set.
 
Antilogic said:
I get spoiled by the long reign modifiers, and I usually have revolts after a long run like that. Good luck.

I'm a convert to the assassins--I've been trying to get the Duchy of Sardinia (along with Corsica and Menorca) for awhile now, but I haven't really had an opportunity. So I killed the Duke of Orleans, freeing up the daughter of the Duke of Sardinia, married her, then killed off the other three sons and daughter so she would be the sole heir. Now I just have to be patient for another couple decades to get a kid to inherit both and I'm set.
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Actually, no bad revolts occured (suprising!) and now his heir has died (he was 55 when he inherited, he ruled for 4 years :lol:)
 
ZeletDude said:
Actually, no bad revolts occured (suprising!) and now his heir has died (he was 55 when he inherited, he ruled for 4 years :lol:)
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Did you have lower crown authority or taxes/levies? I'm finding sticking around at high authority is better than absolute just to keep your vassals a little happier. I'm finding the old EU3 mantra of centralizing as fast as possible just doesn't work as well.

In my Scotland game, I have absolute authority only in Scotland, high authority everywhere else. I'm still a single crown in my Sicily game although I could create the Kingdom of Africa and soon enough Burgundy, Aragon, or maybe Jerusalem with another crusade. I don't because I still have gavelkind succession and I don't want the realm to split up.
 
SouthernKing said:
On a similar note, has anyone here had elective succession? I'm curious as to how exactly it works.
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Yes my Sicily game has it, and basically you nominate your successor, and so do your vassals, it's nice but risky. As your vassals could nominate themselves or something, I try to keep my family in control of the Duchies so at least if they nominate someone else it's my family (but I have yet to have any crises occur where my chosen successor hasn't become King/Queen). I try to keep another Duchy/County around to give to my chosen successor then they become an elector and they will vote for them self (obviously :p)

@Antilogic - No I gave them gifts, and honorary titles ;0
 
What's the real downside for assassinations? I know you pay a bit of cash on each attempt and can take a prestige hit if you're caught, but do you actually lose favor with your vassals when you are caught in an assassination attempt? How much? Does it matter whether or not you are killing someone within your realm or outside your realm?
 
You take a -50 piety hit if they figure out it was you, if it's a member of your family you get a kinslayer penalty which is -30 on relations, I think. If you assassinate someone in your realm (like a vassal count or duke), then it's another penalty which can stack with kinslayer. Killing outside your realm doesn't seem to affect your vassal's opinions--I got caught on one of the attempts I described above, but since it was in France there were no ill effects with my vassals.

Additionally, if the target survives and you are implicated, it's just not the piety hit you have to worry about. That guy will get an event that gives him the option to send assassins after you, and I don't think they pay the cash to do so.
 
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