Culture (Unit + Quarter) Speculation Thread

[ehecatzin]

Back to some speculation on some cultures and their quarters:

I'm interested to see where they take the Franks. I spotted what LOOKS like the Capetian Knight as their unit in the Medieval era from that Dev Diary video, so I'm pretty sure that's accurate. But what would be a good Frankish quarter for the middle ages? A tourney ground?

what about an Abbey or monastery?

 

[Jkchart]

what about an Abbey or monastery?

Possible!

 

[Krajzen]

So, we have three slots and a classical era (let's assume this means roughly 500bc to 500ad)

Main and coolest possibilities are:
- Maurya, Gupta or anything from India
- Han Dynasty
- "ancient Korea" (split between Kingdoms of Baekje, Silla and Goguryeo, so this period seems much more awkward than medieval or later when first Goryeo and then Joseon controlled entire Korea for centuries)
- Scythians
- Armenia
- Judea
- Nabateans
- Yemen (Saba, Himyar)
- Andrean civilization: Chavin, Nazca or Moche fit this period - I slightly don't understand why @ehecatzin favors Tiwanaku as they are more medieval

There were many more powerful "barbarian" cultures from this period, such as Suebi, Vandals, Franks, Lombards etc but Goths really cover this slot. Btw I still can't get over Celts being absent.

South East Asia and Subsaharan Africa get really nothing impressive from that period beyond present Axum, advanced new incarnations of Nubia and Nok civilization - but I don't think any period will get more than one African civ. Japan is pathetic savage backwater before "medieval" era, importing most basic tech from Korea and China without much achievements od their own, steppes are covered by Scythia (and Huns but God forbid them as a civ), North America developed urban civs only later etc.

 

[ehecatzin]

- "ancient Korea" (split between Kingdoms of Baekje, Silla and Goguryeo, so this period seems much more awkward than medieval or later when first Goryeo and then Joseon controlled entire Korea for centuries)
...

South East Asia and Subsaharan Africa get really nothing impressive from that period beyond present Axum, advanced new incarnations of Nubia and Nok civilization - but I don't think any period will get more than one African civ. Japan is pathetic savage backwater before "medieval" era, importing most basic tech from Korea and China without much achievements od their own, steppes are covered by Scythia (and Huns but God forbid them as a civ), North America developed urban civs only later etc.

I'm hoping Han is in as it would provide a very nice rythm between Chinese, Korean, and Japanese cultures, without them there's an ugly hole on classical, and I honestly don't see them going Goguryeo or Silla over Han, something like:

Bronze
-Zhou

Classical
-Han

Medieval
-Joseon
-Nara or Heian

Renaissance
-Ming

Industrial
-Meiji

Modern
-Korea
-PRC
-Japan maybe?

This is assuming every culture can represent a larger period of time if you trascend, so Ming could last for both renaissance and industrial.

While we are at it, about Japan...how do you think they'll be represented? we know samurai are in so at least Nara or Heian period should be in, after that the next iteration should be Meiji on industrial, do you think we'll get both Meiji and modern Japan? or just call it Japan on industrial (and trascending as them if you want to play Japan on modern?)

 

[Boris Gudenuf]

what about an Abbey or monastery?

Abbey, Monastery, Scriptorium, Romanesque Church would all be possible 'religious' constructions that also could have a Cultural (church, abbey), Production (monastery), or Scientific (scriptorium) bonus to them.

 

[ehecatzin]

so...Greece reveal today? what do you think

 

[Siptah]

so...Greece reveal today? what do you think

Yes, most probably. So we need to wait another week to know if the Han or the Huns make an appearance ...

 

[ehecatzin]

yup Greece week

Spoiler :

 

[Jkchart]

yup Greece week

Spoiler :

I like the combo. Sure the Hoplites are a bit obvious they would appear (and nothing wrong with that!), but making Greece scientist trait while also acknowledging their cultural legacy with the Amphitheatron is a winning design in my opinion.

 

[ehecatzin]

Yeah I'm thinking they look very well rounded even militarily, we at laest know combat is going to be more tactical than in civ, so the Hoplites might turn out to be really good in competent hands.

 

[Jkchart]

Yeah I'm thinking they look very well rounded even militarily, we at laest know combat is going to be more tactical than in civ, so the Hoplites might turn out to be really good in competent hands.

That would be very realistic, though of course flanking as their weakness

 

[Boris Gudenuf]

That would be very realistic, though of course flanking as their weakness

I would suspect, assuming something similar to other games, that flanking is best accomplished by faster units, which would be cavalry. The Hoplites, with dense formations and long spears, should be a match for most early cavalry in a straight up fight.

We are going to have some fun trying to work out all the tactical combinations on the new 'tactical maps' in Humankind. I'm certain a bunch of us will have to learn a lot of new tricks!

 

[Jkchart]

I would suspect, assuming something similar to other games, that flanking is best accomplished by faster units, which would be cavalry. The Hoplites, with dense formations and long spears, should be a match for most early cavalry in a straight up fight.

We are going to have some fun trying to work out all the tactical combinations on the new 'tactical maps' in Humankind. I'm certain a bunch of us will have to learn a lot of new tricks!

Agreed!

 

[Siptah]

So, today Maya or will we see Maurya? Or is there another contender before those two?

 

[mitsho]

Macedonia, but I don't really feel they'd be right.

But there's one place left for sure which we are not sure about: Maya, Rome, Persia are kinda confirmed and everyone seems to be expecting Maurya.

So who's the last culture?

 

[j51]

Silla?

 

[conorbebe]

I'm placing my bets on Maurya, followed by Maya next week. Beyond that I expect to see the Persians, the Romans, and some kind of East Asian culture, possibly Silla, taking us up to 10.

I don't think Macedonia is distinct enough to be separate from Greece, at least in the base game. There may be a DLC down the line that divides Greece up into city-states, which would make its inclusion make sense.

 

[mitsho]

I agree with you on Macedon, I just answered what culture would come before Maya and Maurya.

Silla is okay, but it's quite a lose interpretation of "classical". We do "need" something Asian though, I agree.

 

[Uberfrog]

I mean happy to see the Mauryans confirmed! Maya will be next by all accounts, my predictions are shaping up pretty well.

Disappointed with the lack of the Han. They were the regional superpower of the Era, and no one else really comes close. There surely must be an East Asian culture in the classical, but I’m struggling to think of who it will be now...

Unified Silla is really in the early medieval period.

 

[Krajzen]

I am slightly shocked by the lack of Celts/Gauls and Han Dynasty. Oh well.

IMO possible alphabetical civs remaining:
Maya, Moche, Nabatea, Nazca, Persia, Rome, Saba, Scythia

...and that's it, I think. Yeah indeed, Silla is medieval civ.
I am quite weirded out by the potential lack of Classical era East Asian civ...
I'd say one of Andean civilizations (Moche or Nazca) have high chances to get in, to fill South America, but if we can get no East Asia for an entire era then maybe such calculations are entirely wrong