Cumulative PM-based History Quiz III

[Dragonlord]

It has been two months since the last one, doesn't anybody feel like he could be up to the task?

Go right ahead...

 

[innonimatu]

I don't know about Say1988, but I wasn't expecting to do one. As far as I'm concerned it's open floor.
If no one posts a new quiz I'll try to put one together during the next weekend.

 

[innonimatu]

This thread shouldn't die, so here is the new quiz I promised. Just three sets of questions, 71 points maximum - these tings take longer to put together that I thought! Two are image questions.

Its small, so I'll accept answers just for two weeks, until February 21.

 

[innonimatu]

And civ_king was the first to submit an answer, for 34 points.

I guess it was good that I made the last one easy, because the first is deliberately confusing - the matches are not necessarily the most obvious.

 

[innonimatu]

civ_king has increased his score to 39 points.

Dragonlord also submitted an answer and has 19 points.

Tabster sent an answer and has 21 points.


I should add a few hints:

The first question is deliberately hard, because some of the objects were chosen for their likely immediate association with one place, but come from another. In my defense, I meant to show how the distinctions between cultures have not been as strong as some would have us believe.
Each one of the 8 objects matches one of the 8 places given. For the second object I'm now posting a better photo, in attachment.

For the second question the identity of the third figure is disputed. That's why I stated "may have brought them all together".

Feel free to send new answers.

 

[Yeekim]

I intended to reply this weekend but lost the Internet connection.
Hopefully can get around to this today evening...

 

[innonimatu]

Time for an update on the score:
Yeekim just sent his answers and got 39 points, so he's tied with civ_king.
Redy takes third place, with 22p.
Tabster: 21p.
Dragonlord: 19p.

 

[innonimatu]

Two new participants: Sydhe, with 23 points, and Taliesin with 19 points.

One last hint, concerning question 2: the map on the background of the second image was a hint.

 

[innonimatu]

Last day for this quiz, and here's the updated score so far:

civ_king and Yeekim, 39 points.
Tabster, 36p.
Sydhe, 23p.
Redy, 22p.
Dragonlord, 19p.
Taliesin, 19p.

 

[innonimatu]

Time to close the quiz. Here are the answers:

Group 1:
1 - Lewis chessmen, ~12th century, Scotland. I was surprised with how many people knew these!

2 - folding screen, namban art depicting an arrival of portuguese traders in Japan, 16th century, Japan.

3 - greco-buddhist art, indo-corinthian capital from the Butkara Stupa, ~1nd century BC, Pakistan.Interesting how two types of art apparently so different merged for centuries.

4 - Eastern Zhou Dynasty bird shaped bronze wine server, ~5th century BC, China. I admit, this one was in to deceive people as a Benin bronze.

5 - ivory salt shaker, 16th century, Benin. These, and other tableware (spoons, forks, etc) and statuary were produced for export to Europe, incorporating european themes which the sculptor probably had never seen personally. I was fascinated by these and other african pieces I saw recently on a museum. Hoped that the ivory would be noticeable and a good hint about its african origin but the replies placed it all over the world!

6 - Farnese cup, a libation plate sculpted in sardonyx depicting either gods of members of the ptolemaic ruling family as gods, ~2nd century BC, Egypt. Saw an image of it on a book cover and was immediately fascinated with the detail on such an ancient work.

7 - Mayan codex known as Dresden Codex, ~12th century, Mexico (probably).

8 - Medici porcelain, 16th century, Italy. This was an early attempt at producing porcelain in Europe, financed by the Medici family, but the quality was inferior to the chinese products and the enterprise collapsed as sea trade with China increased.

I've accepted any answer which was "close enough" in time or function/description of the object. This kind of questions are not easy to evaluate, but I find questions using images more interesting.

Group 2:
1 - Arthur Wellesley, 1st duke of Wellington
2 - Klemens Wenzel, Prince von Metternich
3 - Feodor Kuzmich/Alexander I of Russia
4 - Charles Maurice de Talleyrand-Périgord
5 - Wilhelm von Humboldt

Four of them certainly met, as the negotiators from the main powers of Europe, at the Congress of Vienna to remake the political map of Europe (depicted on the background in the coin with the portrait of Metternich). The one which may or may not have been there is Feodor Kuzmich. There is a legend and some speculation identifying him with a retired Alexander I, but no definitive proof.

Group 3:
Here's what I ended up accepting for each individual. Answers within a couple of centuries of their lifespan were fine for the ancient ones.
This question became somewhat embarrassing for me as I found out from the answers that some of these people supported other ideas I wasn't aware of. And that the dates I initially had for Confucius were wrong (+1p for dragonlord)!

Diogenes (494-323 BC), Turkey, Greece – cynicism
Jean Meslier 1664 – 1729), France - atheism
Jacques Roux (1752 - 1794), France - anarchism, direct democracy
Henry David Thoreau (1817 – 1862), USA – civil disobediance
Jean Bodin (1530 – 1596), France – divine right of kings
Jean-Jacques Rousseau (1712 –1778), Switzerland - direct democracy
Thomas Hobbes (5 April 1588 – 4 December 1679), England – monarchism
Lucretius (99–55 BC), Rome – agnosticism
Pierre-Joseph Proudhon (1809 – 1865), France – mutualism, anarchism, socialism
Saint-Simon, France (1760-1825) – meritocracy, socialism
Robert Owen (1771–1858), UK/Wales – socialism, mutualism, atheism
Confucius (~551 BCE – 479 BCE), China – meritocracy

Final Score:
civ_king and Yeekim, 39 points.
Tabster, 36p.
Sydhe, 23p.
Redy, 22p.
Dragonlord, 20p.
Taliesin, 19p.

Do we have any rule for tie-breaking?

 

[civ_king]

Group 1, 7) I said Aztex Codex, meaning I don't get that point,
therefore Yeekim goes

 

[Dragonlord]

Group 1, 7) I said Aztex Codex, meaning I don't get that point,
therefore Yeekim goes

Weaseling out of making the next quiz, eh...?

 

[Yeekim]

Well...I'll try my best then.
Not making any promises about timeline though.

My head is kinda empty right now.

 

[vogtmurr]

Well...I'll try my best then.
Not making any promises about timeline though.

My head is kinda empty right now.

maybe we can collaborate a bit - as long as you aren't expecting anything before the weekend.

 

[Yeekim]

maybe we can collaborate a bit - as long as you aren't expecting anything before the weekend.

Would be my pleasure. If you have some questions you are itching to ask, go right ahead. I haven't had time to read much lately and I'm thus out of ideas for questions, as I mentioned.

 

[vogtmurr]

Would be my pleasure. If you have some questions you are itching to ask, go right ahead. I haven't had time to read much lately and I'm thus out of ideas for questions, as I mentioned.

I have not doing anything more with this I'm afraid, and may not for a while yet. I have a partial excuse but did not want to leave the impression I actually had something prepared.

 

[Richard Cribb]

If none of you well can afford the time and work to put together a quiz, then don't repeat my mistake of maintaining the status quo. Better leave it for the taking by anybody interested.

 

[vogtmurr]

If none of you well can afford the time and work to put together a quiz, then don't repeat my mistake of maintaining the status quo. Better leave it for the taking by anybody interested.

if anyone is volunteering - I have some ideas I'll share that I can back up with material.

 

[Richard Cribb]

PM it to me and I will look into it.

 

[civ_king]

Who's up?