Curt's Invitation - Prove God Exists!

[CurtSibling]

1. My humanity trying to flatter itself? No, it is a logical approach to something incomprehensible to everyone.

A logical approach, but oddly matched to holy books men created - Why?

You settle on the theocratic answer to a gargantuan mystery...Why?

2. Unreasonable circumstances? Such as what?

'something incomprehensible to everyone' - As you said...Why just settle on
simple answers that holy men have concocted in order to control everyone?

The universe is so vast, so massive that the idea that someone call along and
'just created it' is almost insultingly childish and primitive in it's perception...!

I have no clue, and don't pretend to offer a clue. That is for the arrogant.

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[civ2]

Truronian
Addition/correction:
Any normal discussion should be allowed unless it takes to harmful actions outside the discussion.

 

[Bozo Erectus]

Bozo_Erectus
Thanks, you reminded me of a life story.
Once, a young man (Jew ) came to a Rabbi (I'm speaking of Rebe Shlit'a but that's not the point).
He said that one thing was bothering him very much.
The Rabbi asked which exactly.
So he answered that he is bothered by his "disbelieve in God".
Then Rabbi said to him that that very "bothering" about "disbelieve" is in fact the real proof of belief!
Why would he be disappointed by "disbelieving" if he didn't believe!

The very thinking about God implys that a person believes and if it bothers him - then it's 100%!

Exactly! The people who dont believe, and dont care, who dont ever think about God, are the real Lost Ones. An old song that sums it up I think:

I'm not in love, so don't forget it
It's just a silly phase I'm going through
And just because I call you up
Don't get me wrong, don't think you've got it made
I'm not in love, no-no
(It's because...)

I like to see you, but then again
That doesn't mean you mean that much to me
So if I call you, don't make a fuss
Don't tell your friends about the two of us
I'm not in love, no-no
(It's because...)

(Be quiet, big boys don't cry)
(Big boys don't cry)
(Big boys don't cry)
(Big boys don't cry)
(Big boys don't cry)
(Big boys don't cry)
(Big boys don't cry)

I keep your picture upon the wall
It hides a nasty stain that's lyin' there
So don't you ask me to give it back
I know you know it doesn't mean that much to me
I'm not in love, no-no
(It's because...)

Ooh, you'll wait a long time for me
Ooh, you'll wait a long time

Ooh, you'll wait a long time for me
Ooh, you'll wait a long time

I'm not in love, so don't forget it
It's just a silly phase I'm going through
And just because I call you up
Don't get me wrong, don't think you've got it made, ooh

I'm not in love, I'm not in love...

 

[classical_hero]

I am around to be a counter to you.

 

[civ2]

CurtSibling
The very fact that "the universe is vast and massive" and yet it works flawlessly (prove otherwise ) is a good proof of it being created AND controlled.
God didn't only create the world - He sustains it and recreates it every second.
Otherwise it would immediatelly seize to exist.
There are many parables that show how obvious is that there is God - but you don't want me to tell those so I won't.

 

[Speedo]

Well Curt, it's nice to see that your life has become so boring that you can once again devote time to pursuing your religion fetish.

 

[Truronian]

CurtSibling
The very fact that "the universe is vast abd massive" and yet it works flawlessly (prove otherwise ) is a good proof of it being created AND controlled.
God didn't only create the world - He sustains it and recreates it every second.
Otherwise it would immediatelly seize to exist.

Unfortunately, because God did not have a creator, he ceased to exist as soon as he came into being...

 

[CurtSibling]

I don't get how one goes from asking tolerance to demanding they "bow". I would never demand that anyone think the same as me about religion. Everyone has to come to their beliefs for themselves; it is better to reach a falsehood on your own than to blindly swallow the truth.

A judicious answer!

We have both came to our beliefs.

I think the problem here is that you are completely unwilling to consider the possibility that your viewpoints might not be correct. I believe strongly in what I think is true, but I admit that I might be wrong. Now you have such a different perspective that you may never be able to understand why I believe in God; but you should at least accept that my reasons are valid to me. You may still think I am wrong, but that doesn't mean I am deluded or brainwashed or stupid.

It bothers me when people instruct me as to how I should think.

I too, have strong convictions, and refuse to retreat an inch in order to
make people feel better. If we all caved in for the sake of manners, then
we would never progress. I have chosen the walk a path. A path that is
feared, loathed and some never consider. But no matter, it is what I want.
I am far beyond pretending about what I think religion.

I do not claim your reasons are not valid to you. But in turn, you cannot
expect me to dismantle my hard-gained ideology for the benefit of those
who might take offence. You have your world, I have mine.

Just don't ask me to respect that which I cannot respect.

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[CurtSibling]

Well Curt, it's nice to see that your life has become so boring that you can once again devote time to pursuing your religion fetish.

And your life has became so boring that you can take part!

 

[civ2]

Unfortunately, because God did not have a creator, he ceased to exist as soon as he came into being...

Like the "god" who wasn't met by soviet cosmonauts.
You're showing either inslolense or simply ignorance on the point.
Sorry for truth.

 

[CurtSibling]

CurtSibling
The very fact that "the universe is vast and massive" and yet it works flawlessly (prove otherwise ) is a good proof of it being created AND controlled.
God didn't only create the world - He sustains it and recreates it every second.
Otherwise it would immediatelly seize to exist.
There are many parables that show how obvious is that there is God - but you don't want me to tell those so I won't.

The sheer scale and content of the universe has nothing to do with scripture
and dogma penned by primitive humans on a small planet in one of countless
solar systems in one of countless galaxies...How preposterous.

What you offer now is so ridiculous to me. How arrogant of humans to crow
about thier infinitesimal religions in the face of vastness that is inconceivable
in scale...It seems the true majesty is beyond you if you are anchored to such
dogma and human rhetoric...

The celestial macroverse would freeze our human minds with it's size.
But still we throw our primitive and ancient tradtions at it, in a lame
attempt to even approach the mystery...

Religion is a human construct. The universe still awaits our exploration.
We are not even a microbe close to even fathoming the universe.

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[Truronian]

Like the "god" who wasn't met by soviet cosmonauts.
You're showing either inslolense or simply ignorance on the point.
Sorry for truth.

Just pointing out (as in the other thread) that "God exists because we exist" is a belief, not a proof. I'm not exactly sure what point I am ignorant of...

 

[civ2]

Truronian
I like your sig.
Nothing more to say to you...

 

[Truronian]

Truronian
I like your sig.

Thanks, I found it on a public toilet door.

 

[Atlas14]

A logical approach, but oddly matched to holy books men created - Why?

Im not religious. Im simply a Deist. I don't read "Holy Books".

You settle on the theocratic answer to a gargantuan mystery...Why?

Because it happens to be the most logical to me. Everything doesn't just exist, because "scientifically" it would have had to have been created. But my view is God, or some outside creator created the universe. I wouldn't necessarily call it the theocratic answer though.

'something incomprehensible to everyone' - As you said...Why just settle on
simple answers that holy men have concocted in order to control everyone?

Well, unless some brilliant mind can prove to me otherwise, Im content with my explanation. Things don't have to be complex to be true. You seem to think that the idea of God creating the universe is a simple one, while I happen to think it is more complex.

The universe is so vast, so massive that the idea that someone call along and
'just created it' is almost insultingly childish and primitive in it's perception...!

??? Isn't this also a "simple answer" as well, and just as childish? You refuse to believe in an outside creator because you can't imagine anything outside the normal laws of science?

 

[Eran of Arcadia]

CurtSibling:

I am not asking you to reject your beliefs, or think like I do, or anything, for the sake of respect. I am sure that you believe what you do as the result of actually looking into the matter, and your life experiences. I believe as I do for the same reason. You may think all religion is nonsense, and you could be right; but I think that at the least you should respect those who have come to a different answer from you. We are not all of us brainwashed idiots. Religion does more than just harm.

 

[civ2]

Eran of Arcadia
Religion itself can't harm - this is the prerogative of fanatic people (not Civ fanatics I hope ).

Oh, and I found out that it's "converSion".

 

[FredLC]

Moderator Action: People - whoever bothers to pursuit this topic, should remember to focus on it, not in discussing the depths and sources, the sincerity, the motivations or the fate of each other's viewpoints. Remember, debating about posters is against the forum rules.

If I come again to see that you are still debating each other instead of the topic, I'll close the thread.

 

[Narz]

My God is Curt Sibling. He dwells upon the God concept more than even the most devout Christian. Of course the way to God is to dwell upon God. Therefore Curt becomes more Godlike everyday. Never has the holy spirit shone more brightly than in Curt Sibling. And lo and behold he exists. And as a member of our blessed forum even! God exists!

 

[CurtSibling]

I am totally with Fred's ruling here. (thanks, sir!)

Let's keep things fresh and on the subject.
I (or my views) are not important in this thread.

The focus is to take about evidence and where it is.

Let the ball roll!