conquer_dude
Imperial Slave
Well that sucks. Lets get Shakespear's. 
And I love the looks of how Leipzig is pushing back Washington's border.
And I love the looks of how Leipzig is pushing back Washington's border.
CVH- Comeback of the Century (Axis of Evil)
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Ansar
Détente avec l'été
Shakes is only for one. 
But sanitation is great to research, its a easy monopoly tech.
But sanitation is great to research, its a easy monopoly tech.
SimpleMonkey
King
Shakespeares would still be worth it in a city that can support a high citizen count. (Sorry I wasn't clear in my first reply that Shakes only allows its own city to grow past 12 pop pre-hospital.) It's a very high culture wonder too, if I remember right. We could use it to keep pushing back borders as well. Maybe up north in Konigsberg?
Again, in a higher level game I'd never be wonder-hunting like this, but 1) we're staying 5CC and non-aggressive for a long time still, and 2) we're at a low enough level that we can afford to invest in some wonders.
@ C_D -- I'm really liking the look of Washington's borders being pushed back too. As a plus, that'll make them a first hit target when the time comes. They're in arty rang.
Have we given thought to increasing our tech push (other than by getting Cop's and Newton's) so as to be as advanced as possible when 1900 comes? As well as ways to keep the other guys in place until then?
Again, in a higher level game I'd never be wonder-hunting like this, but 1) we're staying 5CC and non-aggressive for a long time still, and 2) we're at a low enough level that we can afford to invest in some wonders.
@ C_D -- I'm really liking the look of Washington's borders being pushed back too. As a plus, that'll make them a first hit target when the time comes. They're in arty rang.
Have we given thought to increasing our tech push (other than by getting Cop's and Newton's) so as to be as advanced as possible when 1900 comes? As well as ways to keep the other guys in place until then?
conquer_dude
Imperial Slave
Well, It still helps ya' know.
SimpleMonkey
King
Um, Ansar, did you want to take this, since we haven't heard from tim?
Ansar
Détente avec l'été
I guess I can give it a spin, got it. I will probably post my turnset on Sunday.
conquer_dude
Imperial Slave
Patiently waiting...
I still think we should get caravels so we can meet more freaks to start our ww. Even thought that is a while away, we should plan ahead of time, right when we get Panzers.
I still think we should get caravels so we can meet more freaks to start our ww. Even thought that is a while away, we should plan ahead of time, right when we get Panzers.
Ansar
Détente avec l'été
Turns out I need a skip. I need to go to the clinic, turns out I sometime this week got in poison ivy. Well, sorry. Just skip me.
Ansar- skipped
Ansar- skipped
SimpleMonkey
King
I believe that we're up to Own, with me on deck. I'm sure hoping that Own can do it today or early-ish tomorrow, 'cuz after Monday night I'm crazy with school-stuff.
I just finished sucking at a solo DG game, so dropping back to this one will be a relief. But I do need to take a little break before I play some more.
I just finished sucking at a solo DG game, so dropping back to this one will be a relief. But I do need to take a little break before I play some more.
SimpleMonkey
King
Okay, now I have no idea what our roster is anymore. I can take this tomorrow at some point, and I can also try to redo our roster so it bears some relationship to reality. Is this okay with all concerned?
conquer_dude
Imperial Slave
Yeah you can change it.
SimpleMonkey
King
Preflight (750AD) Let's see what's up here. We're second place to England right now, which isn't bad considering that we're 5CC and she's got a largish island all to herself. We're first in culture, but looking like wimps as far as power goes. Berlin is busy with Cop's, due in 10. We're really chugging alone the upper part of the tech tree. Navigation is due as soon as the interturn finishes, which means that we'll be able to get out there without sinking. We could also build Magellan's which would be handy when the day comes for overseas invasions. If we're going to go for Newton's to go along with Cop's then someone's going to have to research all the way to Chemistry for us. I'm gonna push for Printing Press next. Might as well be able to control contacts when we do meet folks.
Liz is polite to us due to mutual lux trades. Lincoln is furious, and Mao is annoyed. No-one we know is going to have techs worth trading for a while. I don't know if anyone pointed out that Liz doesn't have iron or horses. So sad for her.
We have enough military for the moment. I rush the caravel in Konigsberg for 96g so it can set sail next turn.
Time to hit Enter.
IBT Our neighbors don't do anything. We get Navigation, and another palace expansion. Konigsberg starts to work on Knight's Templar.
Turn 1 (760AD) Workers head toward Konigsberg to max improvements there, at least one of them is going to find an apartment there and settle down. Our caravel sets sail to the east and Russia. Tweak research to pull PP down in just 4, still pulling in a teensy profit of +3gpt.
IBT Abe would like to trade world maps. Should I let him know that there are other lands out there? Well not at the price he's offering, which is nothing. He's got dust and cobwebs in his treasury. And we've seen everything he's got, after all. (Well, not in that way, but you know what I mean.)
Liz gets to work on Knight's Templar as well. We'll see.
Turn 2 (770AD) Two workers settle down to live in Konigsberg, knocking 2 turns off the build time for KT. The others help finish mining a mountain that we will be waiting a bit to use. Anybody without anything useful to do is going to build barricades at our borders, I suppose.
IBT
Turn 3 (780AD) Nothing you wouldn't expect. We're currently 10 units over our allowance, which is costing us 20gpt. After the next knight build I'm not beefing up our military anymore, at least not without disbanding something.
IBT
Turn 4 (790AD) Our more southern caravel spots a pink border. Contact with France next turn. And our guy in the north spots this.
Fat Cathy has something we could use. Gunpowder. Which she won't trade for anything we have. What she will do is empty her treasury and give us her world map for Theology. Fine by me. We now have a picture of the rest of the world.
I could now buy Gunpowder from her for Education, our world map, 249g (our treasury) and 11gpt. I don't think so. We'll make some contacts and see if we can't make some better deals. Rome doesn't look like it's been doing too bad.
I also remember to build an embassy in Moscow.
Something tells me that Cathy's been up to something bad. That's a lot of entertainers, lady, and not much production. Hmm, no iron, either. Very sad. Awww. Who do you think shes at war with?
Scanning the rest of the map doesn't say a lot. I don't find any cities that appear to have changed hands.
IBT We get Printing Press. And a Scientific Great Leader!
He may be the guy to build Magellan's for us. Or Smith's.
Oh, and we also get this message.
Should we annoy Mao further, or should we turn down this excellent offer?
Turn 5 (800AD) I accept, and gift Chinan to Abe. Let's see how they get along now. Abe is stiff furious, even after getting a free city, and Mao is still annoyed. Hey, at least we got a free pikeman out of the deal.
As predicted, contact with France. She's behind us in techs. I sell her Theology for her world map, plus contact with the Japanese and the Romans. We've got a full house now. Let's see what diplomacy gets us.
Well, first off, Russia is at war with Rome, and not with anyone else.
Check in with Caesar. He's willing to trade us Gunpowder, Spices, a WM, and his treasury (a whopping 9g) in exchange for Incense (our spare lux), plus Iron and Theology. Well, that could certainly tip things for him in his fight with Cathy.
Let's see what kind of deal we can get from Tokugawa.
Ah, this is better. All it takes is us putting Education on the table, and our Japanese brother hands over Gunpowder and Ivory, plus a WM. Sweet. I'll take it. This gives him a local monopoly on smarts, but it's no big deal to us. Nobody across the water has any cash to buy it from him anyway.
Our Incense gets us 78g and 7gpt from Cathy. See if that helps out with her WW.
Theology nets us Spices, a WM and 9g from Caesar. This bumps him up to gracious.
Too bad we've only got another 700 years for trading. This was fun.
Oh, and it looks like Caesar's got the edge on Cathy. He's picked himself up a city with a Russian name. Well, maybe not, since now she's picked up a Roman city since we talked last turn. Have a great time, kids!
We now have a complete world map, and everyone across the water is broke and in love with us.
Economics due in 5, running at 90% and paying nothing for entertainment and getting +3gpt.
Now the bad news. No native salt.
On the other hand, no-one on our side of the pond has any either. (I buy Liz's TM to check her holdings.) Caesar looks like he has plenty, but none that he can trade at the moment.
Gotta hope we'll have oil and rubber.
With the rest of the world known, we send our caravels out to explore the blackness that no-one knows about yet. If we can find a salt island ... we can't do anything about it. 5CC, you know.
IBT Joan starts to work on KT.
Turn 6 (810AD) Not nearly as exciting as last turn. Well, we get a culture expansion from Leipzig into American territory.
IBT A bank and a knight finish, and I set Frankfurt and Leipzig to wealth for a while. No worthwhile infra to build.
Turn 7 (820AD)
IBT The same.
Turn 8 (830AD) Again.
IBT Again. Cop's finishes next turn. And we'll get Economics. Improving the shield to gold ratio will also help make our cities set on wealth churn out even more income.
Turn 9 (840AD) Workers keep building our fortresses. Gives them something to do.
IBT Get Economics, set for Democracy in 7. Not that the mighty Germans desire to be ruled by the rabble, but it's a stepping stone to Free Artistry and a nice wonder. Still can't pick up on the Physics -> ToG path until somebody pops up with Chemistry, so we can afford to finish off the top of the tech tree.
Cop's complete in Berlin, set to build Smith's next turn with the help of our SGL. (Copernicus, as it turns out.) We can start on Magellan's after that.
Turn 10 (850AD) Nothing much, except using our SGL as planned.
And that's it. Smith's will finish next turn in Berlin, after which I'd set it to build Magellan's. It could probably use some happiness buildings as well after that.
I haven't built any more embassies, but we could afford to. Our caravels are exploring empty ocean, it looks like. No-one on our side of the world knows about the other guys, and they're not likely to for a bit. I'm not sure that anyone over there even has Astronomy yet. Hang on to those communications for as long as possible. We could feed techs to the other side to help out our own research. If no-one over there gets Chemistry by the time we pop Free Artistry, we might as well research it ourselves, but I'm hoping we won't have to. After that a beeline to ToG, and hopefully trade ourselves into the IA.
Here's the >>SAVE<<.
And here's my attempt at a new roster.
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CoolioVonHoolio - MIA??
Liz is polite to us due to mutual lux trades. Lincoln is furious, and Mao is annoyed. No-one we know is going to have techs worth trading for a while. I don't know if anyone pointed out that Liz doesn't have iron or horses. So sad for her.
We have enough military for the moment. I rush the caravel in Konigsberg for 96g so it can set sail next turn.
Time to hit Enter.
IBT Our neighbors don't do anything. We get Navigation, and another palace expansion. Konigsberg starts to work on Knight's Templar.
Turn 1 (760AD) Workers head toward Konigsberg to max improvements there, at least one of them is going to find an apartment there and settle down. Our caravel sets sail to the east and Russia. Tweak research to pull PP down in just 4, still pulling in a teensy profit of +3gpt.
IBT Abe would like to trade world maps. Should I let him know that there are other lands out there? Well not at the price he's offering, which is nothing. He's got dust and cobwebs in his treasury. And we've seen everything he's got, after all. (Well, not in that way, but you know what I mean.)
Liz gets to work on Knight's Templar as well. We'll see.
Turn 2 (770AD) Two workers settle down to live in Konigsberg, knocking 2 turns off the build time for KT. The others help finish mining a mountain that we will be waiting a bit to use. Anybody without anything useful to do is going to build barricades at our borders, I suppose.
IBT
Turn 3 (780AD) Nothing you wouldn't expect. We're currently 10 units over our allowance, which is costing us 20gpt. After the next knight build I'm not beefing up our military anymore, at least not without disbanding something.
IBT
Turn 4 (790AD) Our more southern caravel spots a pink border. Contact with France next turn. And our guy in the north spots this.
Fat Cathy has something we could use. Gunpowder. Which she won't trade for anything we have. What she will do is empty her treasury and give us her world map for Theology. Fine by me. We now have a picture of the rest of the world.
I could now buy Gunpowder from her for Education, our world map, 249g (our treasury) and 11gpt. I don't think so. We'll make some contacts and see if we can't make some better deals. Rome doesn't look like it's been doing too bad.
I also remember to build an embassy in Moscow.
Something tells me that Cathy's been up to something bad. That's a lot of entertainers, lady, and not much production. Hmm, no iron, either. Very sad. Awww. Who do you think shes at war with?
Scanning the rest of the map doesn't say a lot. I don't find any cities that appear to have changed hands.
IBT We get Printing Press. And a Scientific Great Leader!
He may be the guy to build Magellan's for us. Or Smith's.Oh, and we also get this message.
Should we annoy Mao further, or should we turn down this excellent offer?
Turn 5 (800AD) I accept, and gift Chinan to Abe. Let's see how they get along now. Abe is stiff furious, even after getting a free city, and Mao is still annoyed. Hey, at least we got a free pikeman out of the deal.
As predicted, contact with France. She's behind us in techs. I sell her Theology for her world map, plus contact with the Japanese and the Romans. We've got a full house now. Let's see what diplomacy gets us.
Well, first off, Russia is at war with Rome, and not with anyone else.
Check in with Caesar. He's willing to trade us Gunpowder, Spices, a WM, and his treasury (a whopping 9g) in exchange for Incense (our spare lux), plus Iron and Theology. Well, that could certainly tip things for him in his fight with Cathy.
Let's see what kind of deal we can get from Tokugawa.
Ah, this is better. All it takes is us putting Education on the table, and our Japanese brother hands over Gunpowder and Ivory, plus a WM. Sweet. I'll take it. This gives him a local monopoly on smarts, but it's no big deal to us. Nobody across the water has any cash to buy it from him anyway.
Our Incense gets us 78g and 7gpt from Cathy. See if that helps out with her WW.
Theology nets us Spices, a WM and 9g from Caesar. This bumps him up to gracious.
Too bad we've only got another 700 years for trading. This was fun.
Oh, and it looks like Caesar's got the edge on Cathy. He's picked himself up a city with a Russian name. Well, maybe not, since now she's picked up a Roman city since we talked last turn. Have a great time, kids!
We now have a complete world map, and everyone across the water is broke and in love with us.
Economics due in 5, running at 90% and paying nothing for entertainment and getting +3gpt.
Now the bad news. No native salt.
On the other hand, no-one on our side of the pond has any either. (I buy Liz's TM to check her holdings.) Caesar looks like he has plenty, but none that he can trade at the moment.Gotta hope we'll have oil and rubber.
With the rest of the world known, we send our caravels out to explore the blackness that no-one knows about yet. If we can find a salt island ... we can't do anything about it. 5CC, you know.
IBT Joan starts to work on KT.
Turn 6 (810AD) Not nearly as exciting as last turn. Well, we get a culture expansion from Leipzig into American territory.
IBT A bank and a knight finish, and I set Frankfurt and Leipzig to wealth for a while. No worthwhile infra to build.
Turn 7 (820AD)
IBT The same.
Turn 8 (830AD) Again.
IBT Again. Cop's finishes next turn. And we'll get Economics. Improving the shield to gold ratio will also help make our cities set on wealth churn out even more income.
Turn 9 (840AD) Workers keep building our fortresses. Gives them something to do.
IBT Get Economics, set for Democracy in 7. Not that the mighty Germans desire to be ruled by the rabble, but it's a stepping stone to Free Artistry and a nice wonder. Still can't pick up on the Physics -> ToG path until somebody pops up with Chemistry, so we can afford to finish off the top of the tech tree.
Cop's complete in Berlin, set to build Smith's next turn with the help of our SGL. (Copernicus, as it turns out.) We can start on Magellan's after that.
Turn 10 (850AD) Nothing much, except using our SGL as planned.
And that's it. Smith's will finish next turn in Berlin, after which I'd set it to build Magellan's. It could probably use some happiness buildings as well after that.
I haven't built any more embassies, but we could afford to. Our caravels are exploring empty ocean, it looks like. No-one on our side of the world knows about the other guys, and they're not likely to for a bit. I'm not sure that anyone over there even has Astronomy yet. Hang on to those communications for as long as possible. We could feed techs to the other side to help out our own research. If no-one over there gets Chemistry by the time we pop Free Artistry, we might as well research it ourselves, but I'm hoping we won't have to. After that a beeline to ToG, and hopefully trade ourselves into the IA.
Here's the >>SAVE<<.
And here's my attempt at a new roster.
SimpleMonkey - just played
Ansar the King - UP!
conquer_dude - ON DECK
TimBentley -
classical_hero -
azzaman333 -
Own -
CoolioVonHoolio - MIA??
conquer_dude
Imperial Slave
Yesss. World map!
Ansar
Détente avec l'été
Nice job, Monkey! 
You should have given Chinan to the Russians, that would have helped them.
Well, nothing to do about that. I dont think not having native salt is a problem, as a 5CC nation, we are better off trading from people, cause of our discounts.
I'll play tomorrow.
You should have given Chinan to the Russians, that would have helped them. Well, nothing to do about that. I dont think not having native salt is a problem, as a 5CC nation, we are better off trading from people, cause of our discounts.I'll play tomorrow.
SimpleMonkey
King
Well, giving Chinan to the Russians would have also given them contacts on our shores, which we want to prevent for as long as we can. Not that we're in a trade challenge situation, but still, it's good policy. Eventually we can foment world wars for them to keep them busy until we're ready to roll panzers.
Native salt won't matter that much, since we may never build a cav in this game.
We should remember to keep cashing in units as they become truely obsolete. I think we may have an archer or two loitering about that should either be retired or become longbows.
Native salt won't matter that much, since we may never build a cav in this game.
We should remember to keep cashing in units as they become truely obsolete. I think we may have an archer or two loitering about that should either be retired or become longbows.
Ansar
Détente avec l'été
Preturn-
Everything looks good.
ibt-
No more silk for us.
860 AD- Turn 1
Smith's finished. Berlin Smith's -> bank. Palace expansion.
ibt-
Snoreville.
870 AD- Turn 2
Exploring continues and workers start making fortresses.
ibt-
More of this.
880 AD- Turn 3
Hamburg colosseum -> Magellan's Voyage. More workers start fortresses.
ibt-
Chinese galley comes out of the fog towards our coast.
890 AD- Turn 4
Rome has Chemistry. Trade Music Theory + Banking for Chemistry, World Map, 19gpt, 37 gold, and a territory map.
ibt-
Beijing finishes KT. And we were one turn away!
and San Francisco's border expanded.
900 AD- Turn 5
Check we havea an average military vs. China.
I have a plan...
Since we are China's neighbor, and military advisor says we are average to them...I say we build up troops and attack as soon as possible. Those crusaders can get nasty considering China is not going so fast in the technological department, not that any other civ besides Rome is. So does anybody agree with me? Build up troops to attack China?
These turns need some action!
So, anyone with me? (I have only played 5 turns, my other 5 will be based on the group's decision of yes or no.)
Everything looks good.
ibt-
No more silk for us.
860 AD- Turn 1
Smith's finished. Berlin Smith's -> bank. Palace expansion.
ibt-
Snoreville.
870 AD- Turn 2
Exploring continues and workers start making fortresses.
ibt-
More of this.
880 AD- Turn 3
Hamburg colosseum -> Magellan's Voyage. More workers start fortresses.
ibt-
Chinese galley comes out of the fog towards our coast.
890 AD- Turn 4
Rome has Chemistry. Trade Music Theory + Banking for Chemistry, World Map, 19gpt, 37 gold, and a territory map.
ibt-
Beijing finishes KT. And we were one turn away!
and San Francisco's border expanded.900 AD- Turn 5
Check we havea an average military vs. China.
I have a plan...
Since we are China's neighbor, and military advisor says we are average to them...I say we build up troops and attack as soon as possible. Those crusaders can get nasty considering China is not going so fast in the technological department, not that any other civ besides Rome is. So does anybody agree with me? Build up troops to attack China?
These turns need some action!So, anyone with me? (I have only played 5 turns, my other 5 will be based on the group's decision of yes or no.)
