zenspiderz
Just some bloke..
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I am in real life anti-war in general and anti-Iraq war in particular. However I do think I can make a convincing case justifying the Iraq war 2 for the sake of playing Devil's Advocate. With one caveat! I will not argue for the case of invading Iraq and its subsequent occupation on the basis of ANY fantasy!!! I will not talk of the fictional and even if present inconsequential WMDs or the phoney bringing Democracy to the poor Iraqi people or any of the other absurd claims the US admin and thier media whores have made. REALPOLITIK is a MUCH better justification and in addition makes for a saner and more honest debate.
The context is key.
The game of empire. The world has always been for those of ambition a Grand Chessboard. Ghengis Khan, Augustus Ceasar and Alexander all knew this. It is ruthless game of kill or be killed, dominate or be dominated. Prey and predator. To win this game you must be the predator and you must be ruthless. If your prey is weak so much the better. There are no fair fights.
Empires are made and maintained by coercive force and deception. In the modern world armies do not march on their stomachs, they drive and fly on their petroleum. Thus a global empire in the modern world must ensure copious and secure supplies of oil as the raw matierial for manufacturing fuel. Since the end of WW2 the US imperialists have sought to ensure fuel security as a vital component in the plan for global empire as any power should. The best sources of oil are in the middles east and central asia. It is natural then that the US elites should project their will to dominate over these geographical areas and the people that inhabit it. At first they were content with staging coups installing pet dictators to serve as frontmen and scapegoats for their domination. Saddam was one such. And in him we saw the inadequecy of this technique. Such individuals can forget who is boss or they can be deposed by the mob they are supposed to keep in line. Iraq war 1 was to serve as a reminder to Saddam who is his master. He failed to learn this lesson adequetly so it was necessary to remove him. The destruction of the country of Iraq was also necessary since ultimately the people of Iraq are the biggest potential obstacle to total domination over Iraq's considerable oil resources. They would expect this resource to belong to them. This can not be so for US empire to win. Thus they must be so thoroughly destroyed, humilated, demoralised, poluted and set against each other that they cannot feild effective resistance to US ambition. This is Shock and Awe. Understand this is a game of winners and losers, winning is everything. The architects of the war; the oil corp, the armaments manufacturers and central banks and thier agents in the government and media are absolutley justified in everything they did to create the Iraq war and occupation. It is a matter of self-interest. This is justification enough.
The suffering of others is not the concern of the serious player. Crocodile tears may be shed where it is tactically expedient; this is all part of winning the game. So to with decieving people as to the motives and consequences of the venture. You can never have too much deception in war.
Bottom line - SELF-INTEREST is the only justification that is needed for ANYTHING.
The context is key.
The game of empire. The world has always been for those of ambition a Grand Chessboard. Ghengis Khan, Augustus Ceasar and Alexander all knew this. It is ruthless game of kill or be killed, dominate or be dominated. Prey and predator. To win this game you must be the predator and you must be ruthless. If your prey is weak so much the better. There are no fair fights.
Empires are made and maintained by coercive force and deception. In the modern world armies do not march on their stomachs, they drive and fly on their petroleum. Thus a global empire in the modern world must ensure copious and secure supplies of oil as the raw matierial for manufacturing fuel. Since the end of WW2 the US imperialists have sought to ensure fuel security as a vital component in the plan for global empire as any power should. The best sources of oil are in the middles east and central asia. It is natural then that the US elites should project their will to dominate over these geographical areas and the people that inhabit it. At first they were content with staging coups installing pet dictators to serve as frontmen and scapegoats for their domination. Saddam was one such. And in him we saw the inadequecy of this technique. Such individuals can forget who is boss or they can be deposed by the mob they are supposed to keep in line. Iraq war 1 was to serve as a reminder to Saddam who is his master. He failed to learn this lesson adequetly so it was necessary to remove him. The destruction of the country of Iraq was also necessary since ultimately the people of Iraq are the biggest potential obstacle to total domination over Iraq's considerable oil resources. They would expect this resource to belong to them. This can not be so for US empire to win. Thus they must be so thoroughly destroyed, humilated, demoralised, poluted and set against each other that they cannot feild effective resistance to US ambition. This is Shock and Awe. Understand this is a game of winners and losers, winning is everything. The architects of the war; the oil corp, the armaments manufacturers and central banks and thier agents in the government and media are absolutley justified in everything they did to create the Iraq war and occupation. It is a matter of self-interest. This is justification enough.
The suffering of others is not the concern of the serious player. Crocodile tears may be shed where it is tactically expedient; this is all part of winning the game. So to with decieving people as to the motives and consequences of the venture. You can never have too much deception in war.
Bottom line - SELF-INTEREST is the only justification that is needed for ANYTHING.
. In all seriousness and outside the DA's thead (Incase you have not noticed) that I believe that Gulf War II was not justified and that I believe that there were no WMDs nor facilities to build them.
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