DaNES I: At the Precipice

[Abaddon]

This is a sad day

I loved this even though i was only in it for a short time

 

[Luckymoose]

It is a shame. It was one of my favorites of the year while it lasted. I give you that. Can we get awards anyway? I want to see what you thought of us.

 

[Disenfrancised]

*10chars

 

[Supermath]

'Tis a sad day indeed. Well, at least I did something right.

 

[jeps]

sorry to see it go.

 

[Disenfrancised]

I'm increasingly of the opinion that 20th century NESes are impossible to run unless you throw plausibility and realism to the wind, just from the amount of effort required in an incredibly complex world, and the level the players need to be playing at.

 

[Luckymoose]

I'm increasingly of the opinion that 20th century NESes are impossible to run unless you throw plausibility and realism to the wind, just from the amount of effort required in an incredibly complex world, and the level the players need to be playing at.

Telling ourselves we can't do it will only keep us in the negative about it. Trying is a hell of a lot more fun than talking about trying. On that I had a lot of fun writing orders bigger than my nation in this.

 

[Disenfrancised]

Telling ourselves we can't do it will only keep us in the negative about it. Trying is a hell of a lot more fun than talking about trying. On that I had a lot of fun writing orders bigger than my nation in this.

And probably wasted Dachs time and morale when he had to process them!

Thats right, I'm putting the blame for the NESicide at your door!

 

[Thlayli]

Ah, too bad. It was a fantastic NES, and I was really enjoying it.

We only needed one more turn for the coup de grâce on the Entente, but alas.

 

[Dachs]

It is a shame. It was one of my favorites of the year while it lasted. I give you that. Can we get awards anyway? I want to see what you thought of us.

Thank you, and probably not. It just didn't last long enough for me to form a real opinion about most people, and besides "winner", at the very least, was very much up in the air by the end.

I'm increasingly of the opinion that 20th century NESes are impossible to run unless you throw plausibility and realism to the wind, just from the amount of effort required in an incredibly complex world, and the level the players need to be playing at.

Yeah.

 

[Disenfrancised]

We only needed one more turn for the coup de grâce on the Entente, but alas.

And destroy yourself with a pathetic imperial dream .

 

[Thlayli]

And destroy yourself with a pathetic imperial dream .

I had economic dominance more in mind for the United States. Canada's pacification was in progress, which would lead to a decentralized association of republics, all holding separate free trade agreements with the United States.

As for Mexico, the likely plan was a military withdrawal in return for long-term leases on Veracruz and Acapulco to retain strategic interests. The U.S. would probably be limiting permanent annexations to the Caribbean, some Pacific islands, and Bermuda.

 

[Disenfrancised]

I had economic dominance more in mind for the United States. Canada's pacification was in progress, which would lead to a decentralized association of republics, all holding separate free trade agreements with the United States.

As for Mexico, the likely plan was a military withdrawal in return for long-term leases on Veracruz and Acapulco to retain strategic interests. The U.S. would probably be limiting permanent annexations to the Caribbean, some Pacific islands, and Bermuda.

Except that America, despite its large internal market, needs people to buy their crap (see post WW2 behaviour, and you've managed to destroy, improvish, or hand over to Germany/Japan (and their closed markets) every other affluent nation in the world. And this isn't even post WW1 uberamerican economy - it had less wealth to start off with. Growth will be slow, particularly with long standing military costs (congratulations now that you've destroyed the British navy, you need to safeguard global trade yourself), resentment in those republics huge, and recessions in America very likely when one of your puppets implodes or breaks away (and at least one of them will). The democrats are going to be winning the next couple election cycles, and their attempts to sort out the mess their way are likely going to worsen matters before they improve, and your name will be painted black in the history books.

Not to mention most of the world now rather distrusts America .

Also, if the deck hadn't been stacked against the Entente (as regards massively disproportionate upkeeps, naval combat, and the Indian army to name but a few...) the NES would have been more...interesting to say the least .

 

[Shadowbound]

Well, I had hoped to do something with my New Dutch Empire, but I guess this means that it doesn't collapse spectacularly in a couple years.

Great NES. Short and sweet.

 

[Lord_Iggy]

I had economic dominance more in mind for the United States. Canada's pacification was in progress, which would lead to a decentralized association of republics, all holding separate free trade agreements with the United States.

As for Mexico, the likely plan was a military withdrawal in return for long-term leases on Veracruz and Acapulco to retain strategic interests. The U.S. would probably be limiting permanent annexations to the Caribbean, some Pacific islands, and Bermuda.

Wait, you were planning to give Canada its sovereignty back? I was firmly under the impression that you were going to hang onto it.

 

[Luckymoose]

Belgium was on the road to greatness. I have to say one of the most fun wars I have ever participated in. For those nay sayers I did my fair share of holding the line.

 

[Thlayli]

Wait, you were planning to give Canada its sovereignty back? I was firmly under the impression that you were going to hang onto it.

As I started to realize that any type of (political) North American federation was untenable, breaking up Canada seemed to be a wiser option, especially with an independent Quebec as an ally.

@Dis: It's okay, people will still buy American products even if they hate us. As for the postwar world, the Global Alliance would be fairly well positioned to move into the "international arbiter/trade regulation" sphere.

An independent India, Qing China, Arabian federation, and Brazil all count as neutral or pro-American emerging markets that would accept our commerce gladly. Even within the Germany/Japan sector are the majority of our foreign trade needs met. And yep, the American navy would certainly take on a larger role, thanks to slightly more advanced naval tech than in OTL.

 

[Disenfrancised]

@Dis: It's okay, people will still buy American products even if they hate us. As for the postwar world, the Global Alliance would be fairly well positioned to move into the "international arbiter/trade regulation" sphere.

Its not a question of hate or not, you've made it so no one can afford too. The Marshall Plan wasn't exactly do out of the kindness of the administrations hearts you know.

An independent India, Qing China, Arabian federation, and Brazil all count as neutral or pro-American emerging markets that would accept our commerce gladly.

Except that they are not nearly enough to make up for the loss of trade with western europe, don't really want what you're selling yet, and as ubernationalist primary producers who want to industrialise will raise tariffs and attempt to produce on their own (and this is where no one trusting you actually comes into play), and none are particularly stable.

Even within the Germany/Japan sector are the majority of our foreign trade needs met. And yep, the American navy would certainly take on a larger role, thanks to slightly more advanced naval tech than in OTL.

I give it, oh about 2 months before german and japanese spheres disappear under a tariff wall.

Face it, if you wanted to be a liberal capitalist economy, you need some other willing liberal capitalists around to play with (or to be far larger than you are).

 

[das]

Tsk, and I was just beginning to warmonger too. In addition to that:

Except that they are not nearly enough to make up for the loss of trade with western europe, don't really want what you're selling yet, and as ubernationalist primary producers who want to industrialise will raise tariffs and attempt to produce on their own (and this is where no one trusting you actually comes into play), and none are particularly stable.

Qing China agrees.

 

[~Darkening~]

Fun while it lasted. Through I love the fact that Paris had was still holding out .

We only needed one more turn for the coup de grâce on the Entente, but alas.

I love to pop your bubble and everything, but the war was over (whether you knew it or not .) I'm not sure whether he told you, but I was already beginning talks with Germany to conclude it the following update. And while I'm sure we would have paid some price, the fact that some ground had been gained would definitely won some brownie points .

For my own paranoia, care to confirm my suspicisions? The fact that the German/American navies were the primary area of military expansion led me to suspect a landing behind my lines (which was why I focused primarily upon maintaining the Channel). Had you guys been able to cut us off, I would have probably been knocked out quickly.