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The deadliest war in the world
Congo's simmering conflict has killed 4 million

Sunday, May 28, 2006; Posted: 1:01 p.m. EDT (17:01 GMT)

Editor's note: The following is a summary of this week's Time magazine cover story.

(Time.com) -- Some wars go on killing long after they end.

In Congo, a nation of 63 million people in the heart of Africa, a peace deal signed more than three years ago was supposed to halt a war that drew in belligerents from at least eight different countries, producing a record of human devastation unmatched in recent history.

The International Rescue Committee (IRC) estimates that 3.9 million people have died from war-related causes since the conflict in Congo began in 1998, making it the world's most lethal conflict since World War II.

By conventional measures, that conflict is over. Congo is no longer the playground of foreign armies; the country's first real election in 40 years is scheduled to take place this summer, and international troops have arrived to keep peace.

Meanwhile, mining firms have returned, and cell phone companies -- particularly welcome in a country that has just a few thousand fixed lines serving more than 60 million people -- are doing a booming business.

But the suffering of Congo's people continues. Fighting persists in the east, where rebel holdouts loot, rape and murder. The Congolese army, which was meant to be both symbol and protector in the reunited country, has cut its own murderous swath, carrying out executions and razing villages.

Even more deadly are the byproducts of war, the scars left by years of brutality that disfigure Congo's society and infrastructure. The country is plagued by bad sanitation, disease, malnutrition, corruption and dislocation. Routine and treatable illnesses have become weapons of mass destruction.

In many respects, Congo remains as broken, volatile and dangerous as ever, which is to say, among the very worst places on Earth. And yet Congo rarely makes daily news headlines, and its troubles are often low on international donors' lists of places to help.

There are various explanations for the neglect. Perhaps the global reservoir of wealth and good will only runs so deep. Perhaps the attention and outrage being spent to stop another African tragedy, the genocide in Darfur, has left the world too exhausted to take on Congo's.

But a choice like that comes with a cost.

Congo represents the promise of Africa as much as its misery. Its fertile fields and tropical forests cover an area bigger than California, Colorado, Montana, New Mexico, Oregon and Texas combined.

Its soils are packed with diamonds, gold, copper, tantalum (known locally as coltan and used in electronic devices such as cell phones and laptop computers) and uranium. The waters of its mighty river could one day power the continent. And yet because Congo is so rich in resources, its problems, when left to fester, tend to suck in its neighbors in a vortex of exploitation and chaos.

And so fixing Congo is essential to fixing Africa.

Says Anneke Van Woudenberg, a senior researcher for Human Rights Watch: "If you want peace in Africa, then you need to deal with the biggest country right at its heart."

The task is enormous. Over the past year, Time reporters who visited the worst hit areas in the east of the country found much of it in ruins. Roads and railway lines have washed away or simply disappeared into the jungle. Hospitals and health clinics have been destroyed.

Electricity, for those lucky enough to receive it, is patchy. Refugees fleeing fighting between government troops and rebels talk of beheadings, rapes, massacres and villages being torched.

The gripping stories from Congo, coming eight years after the start of fighting, sound eerily familiar to the reports of atrocities committed in Darfur. In that sense they are powerful admonishments to those who believe the West's responsibilities in Darfur may have been lifted with the signing of a peace agreement in early May: Congo's warring parties, too, say they are abiding by a peace deal, monitored by U.N. troops.

But the dying continues. Congo provides tragic proof that in some places, peace and war can look a lot alike.

TIME full story: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1198921,00.html

I think someone in the West needs to step in and stop this, now.
 
We've known about the Congo war for a long time now. It's a double edged sword. If we intervene, we get called racist imperialists; if we stay away, we're called racists exploiting the situation.

If the Congo wants to be treated like our colony, then they should be our colony. We shouldn't send our men and tax money over there if we aren't going to get anything in return.
 
With everyone screaming about the US invading Iraq, you REALLY think we, the US, (If that is what you mean by the "West") should invade the Congo???

Maybe Mexico should do it...I hear they have a lot of people looking for jobs:D
 
I think someone in the West needs to step in and stop this, now.


And how do you propose we fix it eh?

Invade? Causes more problems
Give aid? Probaly already being done

Any other idealistic suggestions that probaly won't work and make the situation worse?
 
rmsharpe said:
We've known about the Congo war for a long time now. It's a double edged sword. If we intervene, we get called racist imperialists; if we stay away, we're called racists exploiting the situation.

If the Congo wants to be treated like our colony, then they should be our colony. We shouldn't send our men and tax money over there if we aren't going to get anything in return.

A stable Africa would be good for everyone - including the U.S.
 
Stylesjl said:
Any other idealistic suggestions that probaly won't work and make the situation worse?
Precision bombing from 30,000 feet?

I don't have a clue, but this is probably still going to be an international (at least for those who were involved in the "African World War") for some time to come. Another large problem came from the peace settlement. Congolese militias against the government were absorbed into the military and have had their way in the far east of the country, where the raping and killing continues.
 
rmsharpe said:
We've known about the Congo war for a long time now. It's a double edged sword. If we intervene, we get called racist imperialists; if we stay away, we're called racists exploiting the situation.

If the Congo wants to be treated like our colony, then they should be our colony. We shouldn't send our men and tax money over there if we aren't going to get anything in return.

The key to avoiding being called racist imperialists is simply to get some sort of consensus before you do anything. The reason the whole world was so angry about Iraq was not because you invaded, it's because a good portion of the world thought it was a bad idea. America basically said, "**** you, we're doing it anyway." And that's why everyone was so angry about Iraq, but noticeably less so about Afghanistan. And then it turned out your reasons were rather invented, which didn't help.

If the UN, or some other respected international border can come up with a plan, perhaps one that involves placing troops on the ground in the Congo, you wouldn't have the outrage you see right now.
 
There's already a variety of UN and French troops down there trying to enforce a semblance of peace. The basic problem is that the country is huge (five times the size of Iraq) with truly sucky infrastructure. To truly pacify it would require an army of millions.
 
TLC, you're making it sound like there's actually a good substantial portion of UN soldiers covering the area. They're not doing anything because they'd get their own hides handed to them, if it weren't for the rules of engagement.

I'm not sure it'd take an army of millions but a substantial force that played hardball with them.
 
The problem is there's no "them", only a kaleidoscope of different rebel and bandit groups, coupled with segments of the Congolese army seeing their job as less about maintaining order and more about enriching themselves.

"Millions" might be an exaggeration, but the 17k UN troops currently there is quite obviously way too little. Even if they were less mellow than they are, they can't be everywhere, or even most places most of the time.
 
Stylesjl said:
I think someone in the West needs to step in and stop this, now.

And how do you propose we fix it eh?

Invade? Causes more problems
Give aid? Probaly already being done

Any other idealistic suggestions that probaly won't work and make the situation worse?

Well considering I didn't actually make a suggestion of how to, much idealistic to being with...

Send a large military peacekeeping force, start up trials of those involved, etc. I really don't see how sending a competent military force would make the situation worse to a country that's already been devestated and women a raped daily. Do you?

Giving aid is obviously NOT helping.
 
rmsharpe said:
We've known about the Congo war for a long time now. It's a double edged sword. If we intervene, we get called racist imperialists; if we stay away, we're called racists exploiting the situation.

If the Congo wants to be treated like our colony, then they should be our colony. We shouldn't send our men and tax money over there if we aren't going to get anything in return.

How about we send in a multinational peacekeeping force to restore order? And how about we do it for the sake of restoring people's lives and acting in the good faith of mankind instead of just material gain? Of course, all of those natural resources there would probably be opened up to corporate interests if we stabilize the region. You see, not everything can be measured in shortsighted gains.
 
Rich in rescources, eh? Time to bring back the good old days of imperialism! Turn 'em into a colony.
 
Cleric said:
Rich in rescources, eh? Time to bring back the good old days of imperialism! Turn 'em into a colony.
Why? Then the government and hence the people in the West might profit from it, not just certain corporations like in the status quo.
 
Why is the Congo our problem? Let them kill each other, eventually one group will come out on top and establish some semblance of law and order, and it will be a great deal more long lasting than a motley, undermanned western expedition with no real purpose but to keep the natives from killing each other. The war is their war, not ours, the lives lost are their lives, not ours, the property destroyed is theirs, not ours. It will be, and is hard on them, but they chose to go to war, let them fight.
 
Hitro said:
Why? Then the government and hence the people in the West might profit from it, not just certain corporations like in the status quo.

Why not? Retreat from Iraq and redeploy here. Smash the rebels into pieces and bring in corporations protected by tax codes and sketchy laws to suck the land dry of its natural resources. More ka-ching for everyone.

That is unless the gun-running that is going on in Congo by the various factions is far more lucruative then the resources. Congo is simply not on the 'to do' list either becuase of the corps, gun runners or governments I shall not name. One thing is certain though, someone is making lots of $$$ with the current state of Congo.
 
Cleric said:
Why not? Retreat from Iraq and redeploy here. Smash the rebels into pieces and bring in corporations protected by tax codes and sketchy laws to suck the land dry of its natural resources. More ka-ching for everyone.

I know you're just trolling, but that's just ********.
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Evil Tyrant said:
Why is the Congo our problem? Let them kill each other, eventually one group will come out on top and establish some semblance of law and order
Without western interference, the place would probably have been carved up between the neighbours by now. Uganda and Rwanda didn't give up their conquests in the east out of the goodness of their hearts.
 
warpus said:
I know you're just trolling, but that's just ********.

Just another crazy idea in a group of many... Seriously I dont think anything will change in Congo in the near future, for the reasons above.
 
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