December 2020 Developer Livestream Discussion

[Vargas1]

Did they fully reverse the amenity change, or just the negative amenity piece (e.g. is it still more difficult to get to ecstatic)?

 

[DogeEnricoDandolo]

I disagree. It’s not a Tall buff - it’s an everyone buff. Just because taller cities derive more benefit from percentage bonuses doesn’t negate the raw power of more cities.

Given that they reversed the amenity level changes, getting Ecstatic cities is again totally trivial. The even stronger percentage bonuses to Ecstatic cities therefore is probably the single biggest yield inflation ever added in a patch. In a game where a key issue is the game going by too fast, this only makes things worse.

I don’t chop but I agree that’s too much too.

I do think it makes Tall strats a bit more viable. Of course, they cannot just limit this change to empires with fewer than X cities, that would be weird, but getting Ecstatic with an empire with 15+ cities is definitely harder than one with only 6-7, especially when your huge empire is a result of conquering since war weariness is still gonna take its course.

 

[8housesofelixir]

Did they fully reverse the amenity change, or just the negative amenity piece (e.g. is it still more difficult to get to ecstatic)?

Only the negative ones.

 

[Datgingah]

Did they fully reverse the amenity change, or just the negative amenity piece (e.g. is it still more difficult to get to ecstatic)?

i asked and they confirmed only the negative thresholds were changed, not the happy and ecstatic ends.

 

[TreVor_ish]

This was always the case for Ley Lines


This was added about 2 months ago

Yeah, my bad. Never got to 3rd promotion of Hermetic Order. But the name has changed
Hercules building Space Port makes me cringe a little

 

[AntSou]

I'll take "just yet".

Change to titles granted from secret societies - only first discovery gives extra title

Was hoping for this. Great news.

Given that they reversed the amenity level changes, getting Ecstatic cities is again totally trivial. The even stronger percentage bonuses to Ecstatic cities therefore is probably the single biggest yield inflation ever added in a patch. In a game where a key issue is the game going by too fast, this only makes things worse.

It wasn't clear to me whether they reverted everything or just the negative thresholds. I'll be disappointed if they made Ecstatic cities trivial again. Confirmed above they did not change positive thresholds!

 

[Disgustipated]

Hercules building Space Port makes me cringe a little

and vampires don't make you cringe?

 

[Datgingah]

It wasn't clear to me whether they reverted everything or just the negative thresholds. I'll be disappointed if they made Ecstatic cities trivial again. Confirmed above they did not change positive thresholds!

they didn’t change positive thresholds, but the bonus to positive cities have both been doubled. (Now 10 and 20% respectively)

 

[8housesofelixir]

It wasn't clear to me whether they reverted everything or just the negative thresholds. I'll be disappointed if they made Ecstatic cities trivial again.

Only the negative Amenities thresholds are reverted, you still need 5+ for Ecstatic cities.

 

[MrRadar]

Only the negative Amenities thresholds are reverted, you still need 5+ for Ecstatic cities.

Oh, that's good.

 

[pokiehl]

Oh well that’s not as bad then since the positive amenities are still harder to reach. I still think it’s the wrong direction but at least it’s not quite to that level. Hopefully the adjacency bonus policy card changes will prove to be yield inflation dampeners.

 

[TreVor_ish]

and vampires don't make you cringe?

Didn't see any on stream (but, even Vampires are less crazy than Hercules building Space Port)

 

[Pfeffersack]

I forgot to make a screenshot and you now can't see it anymore in the chat log...but the official in the chat mentioned as a reply to a question in a message that one of the free updates next year will bring a change to TSL map scripts.

 

[leandrombraz]

Wisselbanken/Democracy change is good overall, but at the same time, it makes alliances even less relevant. This bonus was the main reason to keep an alliance. There still reason to make one, mainly if you're a peaceful player, but you aren't getting a lot out of it, aside of perpetual peace.

 

[Myomoto]

They didn't put back the free amenity for each city right? If so, they've basically done more less what the majority of this forum requested when they did the amenity change.

 

[Tech Osen]

I think I saw a Gaul city named Johannesburg. A conquered new city state?

 

[Duke William of Normandy]

I think I saw a Gaul city named Johannesburg. A conquered new city state?

Yeah, it was a new City-State added in the Babylon Pack.

https://civilization.fandom.com/wiki/Johannesburg_(Civ6)

 

[Disgustipated]

Wisselbanken/Democracy change is good overall, but at the same time, it makes alliances even less relevant. This bonus was the main reason to keep an alliance. There still reason to make one, mainly if you're a peaceful player, but you aren't getting a lot out of it, aside of perpetual peace.

Maybe the research alliance? That was my most important one. The other ones don't seem that great, unless you feel you want some added defense (which is usually useless) from someone DOW'ing you.

 

[Datgingah]

Maybe the research alliance? That was my most important one. The other ones don't seem that great, unless you feel you want some added defense (which is usually useless) from someone DOW'ing you.

cultural alliance and its loyalty negating effects have some edge case use as well.

 

[Equilin]

Hippolyta is no longer melee - now anti-cav

Always has been