DG4 Discussion - Const: Article H

[zorven]

Originally posted by Peri
It should be option 3 but it would not work. There are not enough players actively involved to make it successful. I want elections to be hotly contested with interesting debates.

It depends on how many positions we create. As it stands now we have 5 executive positions and probably 3 judicial positions defined in the constitution. Add Governors, say not more than 10, and you have 18 positions. Notice I didn't include deputies because if we could get by without them and thus reduce the number of elected positions we have in the game.

 

[Cyc]

I agree with DZ. Let's poll this sucker.

 

[Sarevok]

Originally posted by Bootstoots
This one should be kept.

absolutely, it wont be good if one slowly starts taking over the system, then it would be the Despotism Game!

 

[zorven]

Originally posted by Donovan Zoi
OK, what do we need to figure out to get Article H ratified? It looks like all we need to do is determine what positions cannot be held simultaneously. As far as I can see, here are our options(from most to least flexible). Shall we restrict:

1. Leader positions in same branch(ok to hold leadership in more than one branch)
2. Leader positions period(each elected leader must be a different citizen).
3. Leaders/deputies(every government position held by a different citizen).

I am sure that there is a better way to word this, but you get the idea. For the sake of this proposal, the definition of leader is one who wins a position by election. As a matter of fact, I believe that should be the definition going forward.

I think we can agree on the above definition for Leader. How about the following proposals to be polled:

1. No citizen shall hold multiple Leader positions within the same branch of government.

2. No citizen shall hold multiple Leader and/or appointed positions within the same branch of government.

3. No citizen shall hold multiple Leader positions within all the branches of government.

4. No citizen shall hold multiple Leader and/or appointed positions within all the branches of government.

5. No citizen shall be restricted from holding mutliple positions within all the branches of government.

Note that with options 1 & 3 we would still have the option to restrict a citizen from holding multiple appointed positions or multiple Leader and appointed postions within that section in the CoL

If there are no objections, I will post this poll.

 

[Donovan Zoi]

Article H. No person shall hold multiple positions of leadership (President, Department Leader, Judiciary, Provincial Governor) simultaneously.

OK, this one got buried again.....

Any final thoughts here? Otherwise I will send this up for ratification Friday afternoon EST.

As I've said before, I don't think we need to add deputies to the Constitution, so I feel there is no need for a clarification poll.

 

[Donovan Zoi]

Poll has been posted. You can vote to ratify Article H here:

Ratification Poll for Constitutional Article H

 

[GenMarshall]

Ok, it has came to my attention that someone told me I cannot be both a deputy and a leader. In the past there were no problems in being both a leader and a deputy.

Right now I am planning to lift this restriction on not leting leaders have deputy possitions.

 

[zorven]

CivGeneral, I believe you will have to take your fight to the discussion on Section H of the Code of Laws.

 

[Strider]

Originally posted by zorven
CivGeneral, I believe you will have to take your fight to the discussion on Section H of the Code of Laws.

He doesn't have to, it is perfectly legal to hold a deputy poistion and a leader poistion, there is no law saying that he can not.

Atricle H simply stats that no one person shall old multiple leader poistions.

The exact wording being:

Article H. No person shall hold multiple positions of leadership
(President, Department Leader, Judiciary, Provincial Governor) simultaneously.

 

[GenMarshall]

-=[Eating my Pie]=-

 

[zorven]

edit: no longer relevant due to CG's edit above.

 

[GenMarshall]

-=[Again eating my pie]=-

 

[zorven]

edit: no longer relevant due to CG's edit above.

 

[ravensfire]

Originally posted by Strider


He doesn't have to, it is perfectly legal to hold a deputy poistion and a leader poistion, there is no law saying that he can not.

Atricle H simply stats that no one person shall old multiple leader poistions.

The exact wording being:

Article H. No person shall hold multiple positions of leadership
(President, Department Leader, Judiciary, Provincial Governor) simultaneously.

Strider,

The stuff for Deputies is all in the Code of Laws, section H. Click here.

-- Ravensfire