Did USSR receive Allied supply via Pacific?

10Seven

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Wondering if the Soviets received such as lend-lease and other supplies from the Allies during WW2 via the Pacific?

I understand they received considerable via the Baltic - but have never heard any references to the Pacific.

Did Japan interdict supply?

Were Soviet ports insufficient?

Was the West to East supply line to the front considered too long?

Any references would be greatly appreciated :)
 
10Seven said:
I understand they received considerable via the Baltic

I highly doubt that. A lot came through Murmansk though.

As to your original question, I don't know.
 
Was the West to East supply line to the front considered too long?

That would be my guess. I would suspect that the Sov's preferred having the material dumped relatively close to its destination, rather than having to transport it thousands of miles through there own infrastructure. They didn't really have need of the stuff on their pacific coast since they didn't declare war on Japan until July-Aug '45 (can't remember the exact date).
 
Vladivostok was too close to Japanese waters to effectively receive supplies. Besides, tensions between the two because of huge border clashes in the 30s were high, and the Soviet Union, with the horrible situation in Europe, did not want to risk a war on two fronts.
 
The Soviet Union also received some supplies from the south, via Persia.
 
you guys just totally say anything without consulting any books or facts...that's why I rarely came here because I get angry each and every time at people who say the greatest military of all time was the USA...funny..and now they say that in no way shipping through the pacific was higher than Murmansk or persian gulf...

in 1941, 193,299 tons were dispatched to USSR from the Pacific aka Vladivostok with US boats flying the soviet flag of a total of 360,778 tons..representing 53%

only in 1942 that north atlantic received 949,000 tons while the pacific ''only'' 734,000 tons. it is the only year the shipments didnt come in majority from the pacific...of a total of 2,453,000 tons

in 1943 the Pacific received 2,388,000 tons , the atlantic only 681,000 tons and persian gulf 1,606,000 tons , artic 117,000 and none from Black sea of a total of 4,479,000 which is 53 % again from pacific...

even higher in 1944 with 2,848,000 tons of a total of 6,217,000 (47%)

and 56% in 1945...

so each year except 1942 have seen the most of the shipment through the pacific except for 1942 in total in the war 47.1% of the shipment went through the pacific, 23.8% through the Persian gulf, 22,7% in the north Atlantic (way to go guys!) , 6,4 % through Artic and black sea...
 
Vladivostok handled the most Lend-Lease cargo of any Soviet port. Also,
American Lend-Lease aircraft were flown to the SU via Fairbanks, Alaska
(where Soviet crews took posession of the planes) and Vladivostok.
 
so each year except 1942 have seen the most of the shipment through the pacific except for 1942 in total in the war 47.1% of the shipment went through the pacific, 23.8% through the Persian gulf, 22,7% in the north Atlantic (way to go guys!) , 6,4 % through Artic and black sea...

I like the remark about "way to go guys". I guess all those allied sailors who served in the Artic convoys must be estatic to know they're so well thought of by the modern generation of Russians*. :rolleyes:

Oh yes, and though I don't doubt the figures you stated it's common sense to quote a source (preferably an online one you can link to) if you really wish people to sit up and take notice.

*I presume you're Russian from your location, feel free to correct me if necessary.
 
The History Channel had a good show on the "air bridge" between Alaska and the Soviet Union focusing on the use of female pilots by both countries to ferry aircraft.
 
privatehudson said:
I like the remark about "way to go guys". I guess all those allied sailors who served in the Artic convoys must be estatic to know they're so well thought of by the modern generation of Russians*. :rolleyes:

Oh yes, and though I don't doubt the figures you stated it's common sense to quote a source (preferably an online one you can link to) if you really wish people to sit up and take notice.

*I presume you're Russian from your location, feel free to correct me if necessary.

no i'm french canadian, both my parents are french I know no russian but currently learning russian and preparing a trip to St-petersburg to go see the graves and say thanks to the russians who save my liberty in WW2. I just cant stand people who say things without even consulting any data...sorry for the source it went out of my head but its from are a combination of 7 books collected by Albert Seaton which are :

Istoriya, Vol.6 p.48,62,72
Der Zweite Weltkrieg , Jacobsen, p.568
The strange alliance, Deane, p 86-103
Russia at war , Werth, p.624-628
Command Decisions, Werth, p.154-181
Lend-Lease, Stettinius (no page given)
Rustungshilfe der USA an die Verbundeten im Zweiten Weltkrieg , Schlauch
 
no i'm french canadian, both my parents are french I know no russian but currently learning russian and preparing a trip to St-petersburg to go see the graves and say thanks to the russians who save my liberty in WW2.

Well in that case please read my comment as:


I like the remark about "way to go guys". I guess all those allied sailors who served in the Artic convoys must be estatic to know they're so well thought of by the modern generation :rolleyes:
 
I like the remark about "way to go guys". I guess all those allied sailors who served in the Artic convoys must be estatic to know they're so well thought of by the modern generation

There are two popular (IMO illiterate) views on ww2 amongst youngsters today. Either it was the Western Allies entirely that liberated the whole of europe from the Axis. (Hollywood) Or the USSR image where Mother Russia saved europe from the Germans and their Axis allies. :rolleyes:
 
Indeed, and that remark strikes me as an example of the latter.
 
we can think what we feel its a free country. Facts are facts but who do you think provided the victory to the Allies is an opinion...I also thought it was the USA with Canada and Australia who won WW2...then I began to read books...after reading ''a ****load'' (like americans says) of books I made my opinion that the great russian people made us won the war. USA only helped to shorten it. Even if Moscow would have fall and/or Stalingrad and/or Leningrad, USSR would have strike back. I can't say by looking at the number of deaths for each nations and the number of german divisions concentration in Europe that the US helped much...as much as WWI anyway but thats only an opinion
 
we can think what we feel its a free country

Certainly, however when you make comments like "gee thanks guys" it rather implies to me that you're belittling the Atlantic route and those involved in keeping it open. Stating that the Atlantic route wasn't statistically the main one throughout the war is fine in my book, crossing the line to belittling it is insulting.

But yes, you can have that opinion if you wish regardless of how offensive it might be to some.

I can't say by looking at the number of deaths for each nations and the number of german divisions concentration in Europe that the US helped much

Looking at part of the whole picture doesn't make for a good conclusion.
 
The US' great achievement in the war was not taking Europe from Hitler, but keeping Stalin out.
 
NKVD said:
we can think what we feel its a free country. Facts are facts but who do you think provided the victory to the Allies is an opinion...I also thought it was the USA with Canada and Australia who won WW2...then I began to read books...after reading ''a ****load'' (like americans says) of books I made my opinion that the great russian people made us won the war. USA only helped to shorten it. Even if Moscow would have fall and/or Stalingrad and/or Leningrad, USSR would have strike back. I can't say by looking at the number of deaths for each nations and the number of german divisions concentration in Europe that the US helped much...as much as WWI anyway but thats only an opinion

That the USSR did have a huge influence in the ultimate allied victory over Germany, of that there is no doubt. But do not discount the western allies contribution. It was Britain who stood alone after the fall of France. It was the USSR who in alliance with the Reich invaded Poland and to all Russians WW2 began in 1941, not 1939.

It was the Western Allies who destroyed Germany’s capacity to conduct a war. And it was the USA who were the industrial powerhouse of the war, and while fighting the Western Axis powers were also fighting the Japanese (with the UK and Commonwealth forces). The USSR never truly fought a two front war. The Manchuria Campaign at the end was pure opportunism, and while it help lead to the ultimate Japanese surrender, it did not help all that much.

Numbers of deaths and the military deployment are only a small part of the story. You cannot talk of Stalingrad without talking about El Alemein. You cannot talk about Leningrad without touching on the Battle of Britain and of the Battle for the North Atlantic. You cannot talk about the T34 or the size of the Red Army without talking about RAF & US Air Corp bombing campaigns. Kursk was indeed a huge battle that broke the back of the Reich in the East, but Normandy signalled the start of a 3 front war for the Reich and was the real beginning of the end.

WW2 was in all senses a World war, it touched everywhere and everyone. Indeed the USSR was a major player in Europe, but so were the USA, UK and the Commonwealth forces. As for the Asia campaign the USSR was pretty irrelevant until the very end.

As an aside, it would be a mistake to discount the blow the USSR would have suffered it Moscow had fallen. It was the world centre of Communism; it contained the centres of Soviet power and prestige. Imagine how it would have played with wavering nations within the Axis to see Fascists parading down Red Square. Imagine how it would have looked to the Soviet people.


And on a last note, in relation to your handle mate, I realise that it is your free choice to have it, and I am sure that there is loads of peeps that use it or the KGB or whatever, but please remember, this was not a nice organisation.
 
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