Diplo for D'nut

Daghdha · Jan 25, 2006

I would like to send something like this to Nutters:

Dear blah, blah
We would like to alert You about the fact that donsig of the No-Namers has crowned himself Grand Vizeer of not only Persians but also over Iroquis. This is how he ended the last mail to us :

Hope your war against the Greeks goes well.
TTFN

signed
donsig II
Grand Vizeer of the Ironic and Iroqi Peoples

As we have shown earlier an alliance between TNT and MIA is obvious, and now we're wondering if Your unwillingness to sign a solid peace treaty with us means this alliance includes 3 members? The current save shows that You are still at war with TNT which makes that unlikely, but we would be delighted by some sort of gesture from Doughnutia showing our worries are indeed groundless.
In any case, TNT seems eager to tell us "we know you will attack MIA but you will fall flat", plus they wanna make it look like You guys have agreed upon having donsig as "Grand Vizeer". Make what You will of this, but our offer stands: Join us now and we will divide the world of Meleet in two equal halves.

Daghdha · Jan 25, 2006

After reading that Tubs wants us to send this info to Nutters I composed and sent this through gmail:

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Tubby Rower · Jan 26, 2006

sent by PM

To the people of KISS
Greetings from Doughnutia,

I am writing to you to address the concerns you raised in your letter to us. Firstly Grand Poohbar donsig has been using that title for quite a while in his communications with us, desipte much teasing and poking fun at his assertions, yet he still chooses to use it. Why, we don't really know but we've gotten past caring as actions speak louder than words and their actions haven't gotten them anywhere.

Secondly as to our peace talks with TNT. These do not signal any long term plan to join with TNT, we are only trying to get a strategic advantage out of them, if it is possible, if not then we will continue our war.

Finally we have always had a good relationship with you, from when we first met. And we still feel this way today. We are still happy to trade technologies once we have aquired Monarchy and we are also hopeful of coordinating research into the future as their is a very real danger of being left behind MIA and TNT. Also we have not ruled out military cooperation in the future if and when it is needed.

Our people have developed a strong bond and it is our hope for that to continue long into the future. I hope these answers have put your minds as ease.

General Robi D of Doughnutia

Whomp · Jan 26, 2006

It may be worthwhile giving them techs so we have a research partner. As much as I hate doing that it would be helpful for us to have someone to work with.

Daghdha · Jan 27, 2006

Future tech co-op sounds good, but obviously military ditto will be interesting only when they feel like it. Well, well, let's say we appreciate their friendly attitude and, ehum....cheeers, like :rolleyes:

Whomp · Feb 2, 2006

Here is a very good conversation with Donut. I will edit as I go but I wanted to get it posted.

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Daghdha · Feb 3, 2006

Very nice chat indeed. Let's get something in writing, like:

Doughnuts will fight on KISS' side if TNT fights on MIA's in a conflict KISS vs MIA. KISS will fight on Doughnuts side if MIA joins TNT in the conflict Nuts vs. TNT.

This is the mil alliance we've been hoping for :band:

EDIT:
I've sent this pm to Robi

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Daghdha · Feb 4, 2006

Seems like diplo dpt. has some work to do anyway

. This is Nutters respons:

Spoiler :

Initial reaction, this looks fair. Let's discuss so we don't get stuck in another one hard to get out of. I bolded the point that I really didn't understand that good, but then again... :crazyeye:

Whomp · Feb 4, 2006

One thing I would add immediately is that we will give them all techs to get to parity however they can not trade monarchy to MIA (or 5 turns after they trade it to us. I don't think we care that MIA gets it if we are at war since they can't afford the anarchy). This will help us enormously in any battle against a republic like MIA.

Kickbooti · Feb 4, 2006

Daghdha said:
Spoiler :

Re: alliance

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Hi Daghdha,

Quote:
DRAFT PROPOSAL FOR COOPERATION TREATY
between Doughnutia and KISS

-A Guarantee of peaceful relations between our nations for the duration of this agreement.

-Cooperation in the advancement of technological research. By researching different technologies at the same time we can double the efficiency of our research.

-Technologies will be researched as such to maintain an equality of trade value.

-Technologies that are researched during this period may be exchanged with another nation as long as both parties consent to this. Any technology gained in return would be shared by both parties.

-Trade in luxuries and resources can be negotiated on an individual basis once a trade route is established

-Cooperation in the gathering of intelligence

-Both parties must seek permission to enter the other parties land borders. Sea borders can be entered without permission, however naval units must continue their movement with each turn unless permission is requested and received.

-If one party is at war a third nation than the second party is not required to enter the war

-If a second nation enters the war on the side of the opposing nation against a party (thus making it 2 against 1) then the second party must enter the war within a 5 turn period.

-During the period of hostilities both parties would have a Right of Passage through the others territory. Any movement through each other's territory will be anounced, including force composition, proposed path and ultimate destination. There would also be cooperation in military strategy.

-Neither party may enter an agreement with a third party that would adversely effect any of the conditions of this agreement.

-This agreement will be in effect until the end of the Middle Ages. If both parties agree this can be extended further

-If any party wishes to cancel this agreement early, they must give 10 turns notice. Also any current technological research must be completed and traded (even if its after the 10 turn period)

-Any amendments to the treaty must be agreed to by both parties for it to take effect.

--(This is a draft proposal. Both parties have the right to request any additional conditions, removal of conditions or amendment of conditions. Once both parties have agreed to all the condition, a formal agreement will be signed)--

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Whomp · Feb 4, 2006

I like Booti's add ons and on 2nd thought I suppose we wouldn't care if MIA gets Monarchy as long as it's not within the next ten turns.

Daghdha · Feb 4, 2006

-If one party is at war a third nation than the second party is not required to enter the war

I'm still not 100% on this but my interpretation is that no party is forced to join in on an attack. I suppose that is in regard to Nuts anticipating we will hit MIA and they don't want to hop in at the moment.
Otherwise, good points. Let's keep this open for a while so more idiots can have their say. Personally I'm very satisfied with the Nut response. Let's think about how this agreement would affect the situation long term if it becomes a final showdown between us and Nuts.

Kickbooti · Feb 4, 2006

I think your understanding is correct Dag.

Just as our agreeemnt with MIA was dubbed the "Green Alliance," for clarity sake I suggest a similar title for our proposed cooperation with the Nuts.

In reference to the speed of our UUs, I propose referring to KISS and The Donughts as "The Quick." And since Provo is an enduring jerk and MIA has wronged us, I propose we refer to both of them collectively as "The Dead."

If this is acceptable, I would re-write the Nut proposal in question to something like,

"If either member of The Quick Alliance engages in a war of offense agaisnt either or both of The Dead, the second Quick Country is not compelled to attack.

If, however, the Dead combine to fight against either member of The Quick, the second member will come to their aid by declaring war against both of The Dead."

Something like that. Of course, in the formal treaty we would have to define our terms, 'Quick,' and 'Dead' and the like, but if those labels are acceptable, I think that the above would be clear.

Whomp · Feb 4, 2006

First the further we get from MW's the better. The MW is likely the least beneficial UU moving forward since it's an expensive upgrade to knights.
Second, they are the furthest from us so they are a difficult foe even if we wanted to fight them. This makes them an easy ally IMO.

We can rewrite the war part. IE If one of the alliance members is in a war it is not required that the other alliance member join in. However, if a 2nd team joins the enemy of an alliance member (2 on 1) then we shall join forces (within 5 turns) together to fight both teams.

I don't know the best way to word it but this is my attempt.

Admiral Kutzov · Feb 4, 2006

Just as our agreeemnt with MIA was dubbed the "Green Alliance," for clarity sake I suggest a similar title for our proposed cooperation with the Nuts.

may I suggest the Simpsons' Protocols?

Pentium · Feb 4, 2006

Wouldn't "The Farmers Alliance" do? (We're both Agr, IIRC)

Daghdha · Feb 4, 2006

Spoiler :

I've added one part, italics, to prevent a situation like the one we've had. Feel free to translate it into proper english :lol:

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Admiral Kutzov · Feb 4, 2006

Maybe the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly. of course then we would need to decide who is who. Looks good Dag.

proper english? that would be not me :lol:

gmaharriet · Feb 4, 2006

It's certainly shaping up. Do we need to define "end of the Middle Ages"? Would that be when each of us has actually reached Industrial or while one of us is still researching a last tech? or does that even need to be spelled out?

Admiral Kutzov · Feb 4, 2006

harriert, shouldn't u be out raising H?

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