Diplo for D'nut

[Daghdha]

If they are for having a cooperative effort against MIA & TNT then I propose that we gift them Currency and Construction so that they can start building markets and be ready to start Mono or Feud once they finish Monarchy.

I don't think we should gift them, but we could offer a very friendly prize to be payed now or later.

 

[Whomp]

A little MIA harrassment would be very helpful, free luxs, a more expensive tech in the MA, monarchy....all of this should bring it to equilibrium but let's not be shortsighted. TNT's research rate has been crushed by losing a core city (on top of a gold field to boot) so MIA may have benefited in the short run but chose the wrong partner for the long run.

 

[Tubby Rower]

I didn't mean gift with no return ever. I meant give it to them now with the understanding IN WRITING that we would be getting something later.

 

[Daghdha]

According to save for T97 Nuts and TNT are now at peace. Our new friends are making big decisions, but seemingly uninterested in discussing them with us...?

 

[Crakie]

They should have told us, yes... but discussing it with us, as if we had a say in it, is not necessary I feel.

 

[Daghdha]

This in the mailbox:

Yes have have come to a peace agreement with TNT. They have returned our workers and given us Currency.
This does not effect our current alliance proposals in any way. Currently we are making an admendment to include
Chivalry as part of the deal instead of it being optional. You will be receiving our 2nd draft shortly.

Robi D

 

[Daghdha]

Here is their 2d draft. I think that we should put our cow-seal on it and ship it back asap.

Spoiler :

2nd Draft proposal for The Simpsons Protocols

Within this treaty teams KISS and Doughnuts will be known as The Quick, while teams MIA and TNT will be known as The Dead

Military

-Peaceful relations are guaranteed between The Quick for the duration of this agreement.

-If one of The Quick is in a war it is not required that the other alliance member join in. However, if a 2nd team joins the enemy of an alliance member (2 on 1) then we shall join forces (within 5 turns) together to fight both teams. With "join forces" we mean an in-game declaration of war on the enemies of the alliance

-During the period of hostilities both parties would have a Right of Passage through the others territory. Any movement through each other's territory will be announced, including force composition, proposed path and ultimate destination. There would also be cooperation in military strategy.

-The Quick must seek permission to enter each others land borders. Sea borders can be entered without permission, however naval units must continue their movement with each turn unless permission is requested and received.

-Cooperation in the gathering of intelligence


Technology and Trading
-Cooperation in the advancement of technological research. By researching different technologies at the same time we can double the efficiency of our research.

-Technologies will be researched as such to maintain an equality of trade value.

-Technologies that are researched during this period may be exchanged with another nation as long as both parties consent to this. Any technology gained in return would be shared by both parties.

-Trade in luxuries and resources can be negotiated on an individual basis once a trade route is established

-Neither of The Quick may enter an agreement with any of The Dead that would adversely affect any of the conditions of this agreement.

-Technologies will be traded as each one is researched


Termination of the treaty

-Once the technologies outlined in the Nut and Bolt tech tree attached in this mail have been discovered and exchanged, the deal can be renegotiated.

-Any amendments to the treaty must be agreed to by both parties for it to take effect.

-If one of The Quick feels wronged by the other in reference to this agreement, and the wrong doing is confirmed by administrators, they are free to declare a one-sided termination of the agreement. This can apply to various parts, or the whole agreement.

-If the agreement is cancelled before the agreed time, any technologies currently being researched must be completed and traded

 

[Tubby Rower]

I was looking at their proposed techs and they are getting ~ 720 more beakers than we are getting from them. This is on top of the construction-rebpublic for monarchy that we'll basically be trading them.

I realize that we need a trading partner, but we don't want to get hosed do we?

 

[Crakie]

Ask for some MIA harrassment... nothing fancy, just a MW or 4

I saw it in Whomper's draft in the turnplay thread.

 

[Tubby Rower]

Here is the banter over gmail about the Republic bit

Spoiler original message from D'nut :

Hi.
We have pretty much agreed to the agreement. I have to send this message asap as our people demand new government as it is now it seems to be The Republic. Can you send as a token of goodwill tech "The Republic" on the following turn?

Spoiler my reply with Whomp's editing :

Dear Nuts,

While we are encouraged by our recent alliance chats, we are hesitant
to send tokens since MIA has backstabbed us so bad. Can we at least
get something in writing that says you will give us monarchy upon
completion?

I'm sure you realize D'nuts will be getting a great advantage out of
this treaty since KISS will be giving construction and our current
research in the MA so that you can start co-researching in the MA.

Is there anything you can do for us out of goodwill? A few purple
troops annoying MIA would be helpful.

Thanks,
Tubby of Kiss

Spoiler reply back from D'nut :

I promise to give Monarchy upon completion in three turns. I thought this was already agreed.

I forgot to introduce myself. I'm new general of D'nuts Kuningas is my name.

Now that the MTDG is getting ready to start, I'm thinking that people are going to be more likely to stand behind their word. Otherwise I will personally herald their misgivings in the other game.

 

[Daghdha]

You're the king of beakers Tubs . We will have to even that out somehow....maybe do some slacker research at some point piling cash? Or just ask for gold to equal the diff in beakers?

 

[Whomp]

Can someone fancy this up? This is from Nobody at Donut.

The Simpson’s Protocols


Within this treaty teams KISS and Doughnuts will be known as The Quick, while teams MIA and TNT will be known as The Dead.


Article 1 Military

1.1 Peaceful relations are guaranteed between The Quick for the duration of this agreement.

1.2 If one of The Quick is in a war it is not required that the other alliance member join in. However, if a 2nd team joins the enemy of an alliance member (2 on 1) then we shall join forces (within 5 turns) together to fight both teams. With "join forces" we mean an in-game declaration of war on the enemies of the alliance

1.3 During the period of hostilities both parties would have a Right of Passage through the others territory. Any movement through each other's territory will be announced, including force composition, proposed path and ultimate destination. There would also be cooperation in military strategy.

1.4 The Quick must seek permission to enter each others land borders. Sea borders can be entered without permission, however naval units must continue their movement with each turn unless permission is requested and received.

1.5 Cooperation in the gathering of intelligence


Article 2 Technology and trading

2.1 Cooperation in the advancement of technological research. By researching different technologies at the same time we can double the efficiency of our research.

2.2 Technologies will be researched as such to maintain an equality of trade value.

2.3 Technologies that are researched during this period may be exchanged with another nation as long as both parties consent to this. Any technology gained in return would be shared by both parties.

2.4 Trade in luxuries and resources can be negotiated on an individual basis once a trade route is established

2.5 Neither of The Quick may enter an agreement with any of The Dead that would adversely affect any of the conditions of this agreement.

2.6 Technologies will be traded as each one is researched


Article 3 Termination of the treaty

3.1 Once the technologies outlined in the Nut and Bolt tech tree attached in this mail have been discovered and exchanged, the deal can be renegotiated. That means all techs except the ones crossed over while Chivalry is optional.

3.2 Any amendments to the treaty must be agreed to by both parties for it to take effect.

3.3 If one of The Quick feels wronged by the other in reference to this agreement, and the wrong doing is confirmed by administrators, they are free to declare a one-sided termination of the agreement. This can apply to various parts, or the whole agreement.

3.4 If the agreement is cancelled before the agreed time, any technologies currently being researched must be completed and traded.

………………………………………………………………………………………………

We the undersigned understand and Agree to the 3 Articles of these Simpson’s Protocols





Team Doughnut





Team Kiss

 

[Tubby Rower]

I'll read tomorrow over a cup of Joe

 

[Whomp]

I am ok with this other than 3.1. Why would chivalry be optional? This part needs to be changed. We need it but they may not see the need for horse upgrades, with MW's, until cavs.

3.1 Once the technologies outlined in the Nut and Bolt tech tree attached in this mail have been discovered and exchanged, the deal can be renegotiated. That means all techs except the ones crossed over while Chivalry is optional.

 

[Tubby Rower]

agreed. Chivalry should either be in there or not. I'd prefer it to be in there. I think originally we were the ones wanting to skip it for cavs, but It would be nice to have a better horse.

 

[Daghdha]

The draft is suffering the ol' cut and paste disorder. Nuts doesn't want it as optional, but we did, and I think we can agree it should be researched. They didn't change that in their reply.
I also note they have removed my addition concerning the beaker cost...

 

[Tubby Rower]

In our Gmail box. Where is this aggreement so that we can sign it? I think that we need to get this to the admins as soon as we can.

Dear Idiots,

Over the last 48 hours the Doughnutian National Congress unianmosly voted to sign the Simpson Protocol.
It is my envious duty to sign the said agreement and as soon as your people are ready we will become allies. Please send the signed treaty as soon as posible.
Never again will the idiots from the west fear foreign agression because any nation that choose you as a enemy also chooses us.

Yours faithfully

Nobody Nobadazine
Foreign Console of Doughnutia

p.s.

I think the last treaty i sent you was wrong it didnt included the part about the if one party gets more science beakers than the other. This was a typo and we fully agree to your terms.

 

[Tubby Rower]

This is being sent via Gmail to the D'nuts . Nobody of the D'nuts said that D'nut would have no problem with researching Chivalry if we sent Construction as soon as this is signed. Big pictures... so Don't open the spoiler if you have dial up

Spoiler treaty with the nuts :

Cover Page


Article 1


Article 2



Article 3


signature page

 

[gmaharriet]

It look great to me, Tubs!

 

[Whomp]

That's fantastic Tubs. Love the stamp. Too bad that pirate flag can't be in motion. (tm Mistfit)