Diplo for MIA
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Admiral Kutzov
Idiot Emeritus
Lo and behold. The year turned and began anew. In one sense it was much the same as the prior year; there was much interteam verboseness.
Our friend the green pyrotechnician has been strangely absent from these proceedings. Me thinks he has Tubbyroweroidism (an inability to twist the truth for game purposes). Gazing through the scotch, Igor had a thought (everyone mark your calenders). The dagster is right; we must dither with details.
As a favorite caveman once said, kill em all and let Rik sort it all out.
Please, the turn we declare, can we send the reply "Nuts"? Really it is a famous quote
Honor the current agreements then go kill the hoppys
We have done with Hope and Honour, we are lost to Love and Truth,
We are dropping down the ladder rung by rung,
And the measure of our torment is the measure of our youth.
God help us, for we knew the worst too young!
Our shame is clean repentance for the crime that brought the sentence,
Our pride it is to know no spur of pride,
And the Curse of Reuben holds us till an alien turf enfolds us
And we die, and none can tell Them where we died.
And in the second day of the new year, Igor looked thru his presents and beneath all the coal what did appear? No twas not tiny reindeer nor more beer. Twas a bottle of scotch
Our friend the green pyrotechnician has been strangely absent from these proceedings. Me thinks he has Tubbyroweroidism (an inability to twist the truth for game purposes). Gazing through the scotch, Igor had a thought (everyone mark your calenders). The dagster is right; we must dither with details.
As a favorite caveman once said, kill em all and let Rik sort it all out.
Please, the turn we declare, can we send the reply "Nuts"? Really it is a famous quote
Honor the current agreements then go kill the hoppys
We have done with Hope and Honour, we are lost to Love and Truth,
We are dropping down the ladder rung by rung,
And the measure of our torment is the measure of our youth.
God help us, for we knew the worst too young!
Our shame is clean repentance for the crime that brought the sentence,
Our pride it is to know no spur of pride,
And the Curse of Reuben holds us till an alien turf enfolds us
And we die, and none can tell Them where we died.
And in the second day of the new year, Igor looked thru his presents and beneath all the coal what did appear? No twas not tiny reindeer nor more beer. Twas a bottle of scotch
Let the coolest heads prevail here. I think they somehow got the message that withholding Polytheism would bring a Green Tsunami on their heads. So we have accomplished our objective which was to open the trade gates.
Where to from here?
An indterminate period of peace with the guys to our south, I don't see any need to put a term limit on it, just maintaining a mutually beneficial relationship until we decide it is no longer to our benefit.
Fuggedabout the free tech thingie. It is a sticking point and can't hurt us much anyway. Keep up as we have been going on and we will out research the bums anyway.
Take what we know or will soon know and start shopping it abroad, now. And why not play TNT against MIA in the free tech negotiations?
As for an appropriate target: it is and will remain MIA, we just want to do it as honorably as possible.....
Where to from here?
An indterminate period of peace with the guys to our south, I don't see any need to put a term limit on it, just maintaining a mutually beneficial relationship until we decide it is no longer to our benefit.
Fuggedabout the free tech thingie. It is a sticking point and can't hurt us much anyway. Keep up as we have been going on and we will out research the bums anyway.
Take what we know or will soon know and start shopping it abroad, now. And why not play TNT against MIA in the free tech negotiations?
As for an appropriate target: it is and will remain MIA, we just want to do it as honorably as possible.....
Admiral Kutzov
Idiot Emeritus
I'd just would like to be sure those gates are indeed open. Seems they've been awfully free with the tech trades.
Daghdha
Absent Minded
Well, so much for believing fe when he said the incusion of Poly wasn't going to happen 
. Isn't rep. deal quite nice as it looks now? Since they fullfill their part of agreement now I see no reason we shouldn't accept it so #1 is a Go.
As things has turned out I think we should end our close partnership right after the Big Swap. No hard feelings, just a shake hands and thanks for letting each other have a nice start of the game. With no guaranteed peace MIA cannot play farmers forever and if we stay strong compared to them and turn on what settler pumping we have I see no way they will keep growing faster. Only reason they have for a while is our military build up, right? Now that we have the military advantage we can ,IMHO, expect that to slow MIA down quite a bit. I know military dept has advocated a sooner hit, but if we want to play honorably I don't see that happening.
Tubbys plan on giving Rep and then make a DoW is really cool, but according to current treaty we cannot do that. I wouldn't want to rely on MIA being ignorant about the actual wording there. It is 10 turns scilence after rep and then a 10 turn notice. Who knows, they might even be trying to lure us into breaking the deal by just pretending ignorant?
My answer to their proposal would be this:
Dear Friends of the Green Continent
We have recieved your proposal regarding the trade for Republic, the quest for knowledge of Construction and the wish for peace.
Our teams have, since the dawn of the World of Meleet, had a very pleasant and beneficial relationship. A relationship that has been built on trust and honour. We've had, and still have, the possibility to gaze over the vast ocean and behold the misery created by aggression and feeble minds. We assume neither MIA, nor KISS, would want any of that on our prosperous continent. We also have arranged co-operation in science that are soon to pay off to our mutual benefit.
We regard the deal for Republic a grand finale of the above mentioned partnership and, thus, an end of previous made agreements. We would like to maintain a friendly relationship, but also to make way for each team to stand on their own when they decide to. Therefore, the proposed agreement sent by MIA will not be signed by KISS.
If MIA feels this stance makes the deal for Republic impossible to carry through, please notify us.
Best Regards
Team KISS
Now, if MIA decides to refuse the swapping of techs because of this, then they will be the ones breaking the deal first and we are free to hit at will. They will prolly have issues with us regarding the swap as the end of previous agreement (including peace), but I guess we will have to sit back and see how they respond.
. Isn't rep. deal quite nice as it looks now? Since they fullfill their part of agreement now I see no reason we shouldn't accept it so #1 is a Go.As things has turned out I think we should end our close partnership right after the Big Swap. No hard feelings, just a shake hands and thanks for letting each other have a nice start of the game. With no guaranteed peace MIA cannot play farmers forever and if we stay strong compared to them and turn on what settler pumping we have I see no way they will keep growing faster. Only reason they have for a while is our military build up, right? Now that we have the military advantage we can ,IMHO, expect that to slow MIA down quite a bit. I know military dept has advocated a sooner hit, but if we want to play honorably I don't see that happening.
Tubbys plan on giving Rep and then make a DoW is really cool, but according to current treaty we cannot do that. I wouldn't want to rely on MIA being ignorant about the actual wording there. It is 10 turns scilence after rep and then a 10 turn notice. Who knows, they might even be trying to lure us into breaking the deal by just pretending ignorant?
My answer to their proposal would be this:
Dear Friends of the Green Continent
We have recieved your proposal regarding the trade for Republic, the quest for knowledge of Construction and the wish for peace.
Our teams have, since the dawn of the World of Meleet, had a very pleasant and beneficial relationship. A relationship that has been built on trust and honour. We've had, and still have, the possibility to gaze over the vast ocean and behold the misery created by aggression and feeble minds. We assume neither MIA, nor KISS, would want any of that on our prosperous continent. We also have arranged co-operation in science that are soon to pay off to our mutual benefit.
We regard the deal for Republic a grand finale of the above mentioned partnership and, thus, an end of previous made agreements. We would like to maintain a friendly relationship, but also to make way for each team to stand on their own when they decide to. Therefore, the proposed agreement sent by MIA will not be signed by KISS.
If MIA feels this stance makes the deal for Republic impossible to carry through, please notify us.
Best Regards
Team KISS
Now, if MIA decides to refuse the swapping of techs because of this, then they will be the ones breaking the deal first and we are free to hit at will. They will prolly have issues with us regarding the swap as the end of previous agreement (including peace), but I guess we will have to sit back and see how they respond.
Crakie
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I was already leaning towards building up a little more force, so with the current developments as they are, I am with Bede and Daghie.
As for Dagh's draft, I think it's quite good. I would however include some sort of decoy in it, for example feign interest in a MPP against the other continent. Anything subtle that would be able to convince them we do not have war in mind will do.
As for Dagh's draft, I think it's quite good. I would however include some sort of decoy in it, for example feign interest in a MPP against the other continent. Anything subtle that would be able to convince them we do not have war in mind will do.
Kickbooti
Ecclesia Militans
Alright. Without MIA witholding Poly our casus belli is gone. The quick strike is dead.
I think that letting the current deal lapse and building up is our best option.
My recomendation is to go on a campaign of aggressive settlement. Let's plant some cities right on top of them. (See Map)
This could have the benefits of
*giving us some more luxuries
*possibly denying them some luxuries
*gives us a great excuse to road along their flanks
*provides a great staging area
*is aggressive so they would divert resources from research to military
Then, just to be anoying I'd build a wall and a temple in those cities just to expand our borders.
That will get their attention...
Then on the diplomatic front we just mouth platitudes and continue our buildup and pre-positioning.
I think that letting the current deal lapse and building up is our best option.
My recomendation is to go on a campaign of aggressive settlement. Let's plant some cities right on top of them. (See Map)
This could have the benefits of
*giving us some more luxuries
*possibly denying them some luxuries
*gives us a great excuse to road along their flanks
*provides a great staging area
*is aggressive so they would divert resources from research to military
Then, just to be anoying I'd build a wall and a temple in those cities just to expand our borders.
That will get their attention...
Then on the diplomatic front we just mouth platitudes and continue our buildup and pre-positioning.
Kickbooti
Ecclesia Militans
Map didn't upload, trying again.
Tubby Rower
Chronic Slacker
Love the new avvie Kickbooti,
Nice wording Dagh. What you said is what I proposed. If they hand us over everything, then we have to wait 12 turns to let them know that we will declare and then in 22 turns from now, we can declare. I think that at least 90% of the people here would like to honor our agreements, so I'd really like for MIA to break it. Otherwise I'd like to wait. I think that waiting could help us to get a few cats out as well as ~ 11-12 more GS bring our GS total to around 18.
Nice wording Dagh. What you said is what I proposed. If they hand us over everything, then we have to wait 12 turns to let them know that we will declare and then in 22 turns from now, we can declare. I think that at least 90% of the people here would like to honor our agreements, so I'd really like for MIA to break it. Otherwise I'd like to wait. I think that waiting could help us to get a few cats out as well as ~ 11-12 more GS bring our GS total to around 18.
Daghdha
Absent Minded
The reason I changed your excellent proposal was that the termination of peace deal cannot be stated by one team before 10 turns after discovery of Republic. Therefore we cannot lure them into breaking the tech deal simply because we can't tell them we intend to declare in 20 turns. This is my interpretation but I'm pretty sure that's how it's supposed to work.Tubby said:
Good stuff Daghie boy. The only thing I would change is a minor spelling error...."beneficial".
OK so now we fight off some barbs, get elites, start some multiplier builds and prepare.
How should we proceed on construction? Open some lines of communication to TNT and Donut to see if they're working on it. I like Bede's idea of trying to get TNT into the next age and trade for their free tech.
Daghwood said:
OK so now we fight off some barbs, get elites, start some multiplier builds and prepare.
How should we proceed on construction? Open some lines of communication to TNT and Donut to see if they're working on it. I like Bede's idea of trying to get TNT into the next age and trade for their free tech.
Kickbooti
Ecclesia Militans
Okay, different computer HERE is map. I may not be good but I'm slow.
And when I say 'the map' I am refering to the map which shows the cities I would propose settling as related to my thoughts a few posts back about 'aggressive settling' and pre-positioning of troops.
There.
It only took four posts, but I've now completed my thought.
I may not be good, but I'm slow.
And when I say 'the map' I am refering to the map which shows the cities I would propose settling as related to my thoughts a few posts back about 'aggressive settling' and pre-positioning of troops.
There.
It only took four posts, but I've now completed my thought.
I may not be good, but I'm slow.
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Daghdha
Absent Minded
OK, so positive responses to my proposed mail to MIA (edited the spelling W, thanks). Crackie, I think it's a good idea too keep them thinking we will attack overseas, but maybe that can be discussed in a few turns. This message is mainly for clearing the table from old stuff.
If no one objects, I'll send it tomorrow.
GMT 4.54 the message was sent to MIA that we will consider the peace deal expired after the swap for Rep. has been done.
If no one objects, I'll send it tomorrow.
GMT 4.54 the message was sent to MIA that we will consider the peace deal expired after the swap for Rep. has been done.
Daghdha
Absent Minded
Fe is online again and I had a brief chat with him. His reaction to our reply is to be found in the spoiler, plus talk on MoM build and some about Barbs.
Spoiler :
Tubby Rower
Chronic Slacker
Just FYI about MoM, it could be being used in a pop rush strategy. With 3 unhappy faces and then 3 luxes to make them happy, a size 6 city could be indefinately pop rushed every time it grows to 7.
Good work on the diplo Dagh.
Good work on the diplo Dagh.
Nice work Daghie boy. I think some emails and pm's to TNT and Doughnut should be the order of business now since we are back in the trading game. Booti came up with an idea for the barb uprising with MIA that I like. It's kind of a trojan horse type strategy and I think it helps to get our units further south.
What do you think?
Operation Kickbooti
What do you think?
Operation Kickbooti
Daghdha
Absent Minded
On the PM's to Nuts/TNT I think you're right Whomp. We should hook 'em up before MIA does. If MIA senses something fishy is going on they prolly will start working harder overseas. Maybe trying to prevent Nuts/TNT from trading with us and then refusing to do the rep. deal leaving us behind. It would be very unwise of them, but it's a possibility. Let's think about how such a PM would be phrased without revealing that we're about to hit MIA soon.
Daghdha
Absent Minded
Regarding the trade for philo that MIA has done with TNT (see general musings) I've sent the following PM to fe:
Hi there Pyroman
My memory is intense but a little bit short so you have to help me on this one, what did you get from TNT for trading them Philo? We might have talked about it earlier but I cannot remember and I can't find anything about it in our posts.
Best
Daghie Boy
Hi there Pyroman
My memory is intense but a little bit short so you have to help me on this one, what did you get from TNT for trading them Philo? We might have talked about it earlier but I cannot remember and I can't find anything about it in our posts.
Best
Daghie Boy
