Diplo for MIA

Slick Dag. Let them know that the idiots see all - and remember.

Besides, if we let Igor get involved with diplo when things go hostile we could use this Philo trade as our 'Niagara Falls' (see Abbott and Costello).

"Philosophy! Slooowly I turned..."
 
I stumbled on fe and took the opportunity to ask him about that curious TNT-trade. It turned out to be a veeeery interesting chat. I will not delete anything, but highlight the highlights :). That TNT popped philo out of a hut 5 turns ago sounds too unlikely to me...he's lying. It happened before fe was awol and he's online most of the time so he knew exactly what happened. He was just taken by surprise and had to go back to the others (about 5 were in forum at the time) and cook something up.
Spoiler :

sixpackholiday: Hello sailor
fe3333au: Hello matey
sixpackholiday: just a sec
fe3333au: got your PM
sixpackholiday: ok, oldest daughter needed some help in the kitchen
sixpackholiday: got coffee
fe3333au: good idea 1 sec
sixpackholiday: so what about that phlo trade. I must have missed that...
fe3333au: long time ago ... can't remember .. it will take a lot of searching to
get that info ... why you need it?

fe3333au: I will do it if important ... but will take some time
sixpackholiday: i were just wondering since it happened after you said you would
be more open with the trade overseas
sixpackholiday: not so long time ago
sixpackholiday: turn 78

fe3333au: I will search .. but slooow internet as I am downloading update for virus software atm
fe3333au: I will PM it to you

sixpackholiday: thank you very much
fe3333au: But while you are here ... I need some clarification
fe3333au: When you say after Republic trade we will just be friends
fe3333au: how does that effect the 10 turns warning to being attacked ... I
consider that still to be the case ... am I correct

sixpackholiday: It means that we consider the previous deal ended
sixpackholiday: and yes, with it all other arrangements

fe3333au: so after the republic swap does that mean you can attack us without warning?
fe3333au: I am thinking of the warrior we have wandering around up north ...
which you said was ok for us to have walking around?

sixpackholiday: theoretically yes, maybe, but I think admins should have a close look on our agreement
sixpackholiday: in practice maybe one side cannot nullify it

fe3333au: he is still a virgin
sixpackholiday: without breaking it
sixpackholiday: LOL

fe3333au: so when will you have republic?
sixpackholiday: let me put it this way: When we discovered your trade with TNT it made us wonder
sixpackholiday: about you intentions
sixpackholiday: we've been somewhat worried to say the least

fe3333au: I can honestly say that we have no intentions to dishonouring you
fe3333au: and we are not friends with anyone

sixpackholiday: afraid might not be the correct word but "cautious"...
fe3333au: we have open dialogue with all ... and the intention was to get us both into MA quicker
sixpackholiday: that's part of the wish to loosen up the ties a wee bit
fe3333au: I understand ... you must also understand that I came back to find the curt message about trade Republic and then our alliance is kaput
sixpackholiday: curt?
fe3333au: especially when on Xmas we had a proposal to continue
fe3333au: curt = blunt
sixpackholiday: ok
fe3333au: we were in the process of agreeing to most of the terms in Xmas deal
fe3333au: seems that the threat to nullify Great Library is no longer a big issue?
sixpackholiday: i don't think it's a question of either/or
sixpackholiday: it is troublesome, but hard to specify how much
sixpackholiday: and exactly what to do about it

fe3333au: I can understand ... sort of
fe3333au: Now in previous chat it was expressed that you did not want HBR

sixpackholiday: i think whomp once said that HBR wasn't our first choise,
correct

fe3333au: so what do you expect for republic?
sixpackholiday: The techs that you have and we don't
fe3333au: but that does not include Poly
sixpackholiday: oh yes it does
sixpackholiday: Cham even incuded it in the proposal

fe3333au: no ... I mentioned in a previous discussion with you that we popped it
... and this happened after we started discussing getting together into the MA
fe3333au: Chams chat happened prior to the Xmas deal being sent

sixpackholiday: I can send you the parchement if you like
sixpackholiday: you must have it too, it's only a few days old

fe3333au: that was after the xmas deal suddenly was null and void

Comment: This part is IMHO pure BS from fe's side. There was no "chat" with Chamnix. We suggested MIA fullfill the agreement and send us ALL their techs for Rep. and in the proposal from Chamnix, they would. We then said we consider the tech swap in the proposal as the end of other agreements. After that, we've heard nothing before this. I'm not clear about what fe is getting at here except out of the "rep for everything you've got"-deal. If we're lucky, they will include all techs but Poly and I guess we will have to accept that while considering it an act of hostility.

sixpackholiday: ok...err....so if we send Rep. you will not include Poly in your
reply?

fe3333au: Poly was the next stage with Construction ... so not part of Republic deal
sixpackholiday: aha, ok. Thing is we just sent Rep
fe3333au: with our trade for other techs we ended up saving usboth getting all
the others

sixpackholiday: you will recieve it with next .sav
fe3333au: as gift or requiring us to accept?
sixpackholiday: you must chip in the techs and the we accept when they arrive at
our place

fe3333au: ok ... so are you saying that you require Poly or no deal?
fe3333au: cos I think that we don't owe you Poly ... but that is from my
prospective
fe3333au: If you want we can have admins decide ...

sixpackholiday: we would be disappointed if Poly was not in...
sixpackholiday: You make the call

fe3333au: we are disappointed that we have not got an agreement to the end of AA
sixpackholiday: I understand that
sixpackholiday: I wasn't too happy writing that down

fe3333au: OT ... it is a game after all ... and the team members run it ... and
there are many personalities in both teams
sixpackholiday: indeed, hehe. Disagreeing comes with the diplo territory
sixpackholiday: I have no probs with that
fe3333au: I feel we would not be dishonouring the deal if Poly was not sent
sixpackholiday: I think you're a terrific guy no matter how the games turn out
fe3333au: Whatever happens ... and I hope the worst case scenario does not ...
we will still chat ... yes?
fe3333au: cos I enjoy your company
sixpackholiday: absolutely and I would like us to be on same team next time
around
fe3333au: It would be a pity if both continents were at war
sixpackholiday: it would stall things a great deal
sixpackholiday: I suggest we both keep growing
fe3333au: Not logical to ... fighting should be reserved to BattleIsle
sixpackholiday: even if we don't sit in each others laps
fe3333au: yes ... you and whomp must go on a diet
sixpackholiday: I think we both have given us a nice lead and that we should
congratulate us for doing that
fe3333au: yes
sixpackholiday: both Whomp and me are rather skinny btw
fe3333au: it would be a pity if Great Library is built ... but I guess the team
that builds it makes a target for all others
sixpackholiday: you start working out instead lol
fe3333au: I bruise easily
sixpackholiday: Yes, and talking about that
sixpackholiday: WARPLANS
sixpackholiday: first the barb situation
fe3333au: yes
sixpackholiday: we've discussed sending some troopers S to scan the area
sixpackholiday: but we don't know what you've discovered and where to go

fe3333au: cultural boundaries are no go for both of us ... agreed
sixpackholiday: 100%
sixpackholiday: unless you, like poor Ares, end up sitting on a city wall
fe3333au: Did you build a city and we are in one of your boundaries?
sixpackholiday: yeah...lol. few turns ago
sixpackholiday: when you were awol
fe3333au: I didn't think that we were in a boundary ... if so very sorry we will
move out straight away
sixpackholiday: you were, but no worries, he's moved out
fe3333au: those sort of things happen when expansion occurs
sixpackholiday: IIRC we popped a city next to him
fe3333au: but it was unintentional and should not be construed as an aggressive act
sixpackholiday: it isn't, stop worrying
fe3333au: Re barbs ... we have cleared a camp ... do you have any that are still alive?
sixpackholiday: just a sec
fe3333au: it was also a threat to one of your towns
sixpackholiday: back
sixpackholiday: we don't see any barbs atm
sixpackholiday: but ther should be 1 or 2 camps left on E and W coast
fe3333au: we must both be vigilent in our respective halves of the world to
ensure that they don't hatch in unseen areas
fe3333au: cos they can be bad for us both
fe3333au: we will tell you if we find one with cute little virgin Ares as well
sixpackholiday: we will scan
fe3333au: I notice a galic that is not very experienced? ... is he your barb
destroyer?
sixpackholiday: i guess we both are intersted in filling the opens spaces with
cities and settlers taken by barbs is a bummer

fe3333au: yeah ... you had that problem?
sixpackholiday: the one that met Ares in the woods?
fe3333au: those horses freak me out
sixpackholiday: they will soon be here
sixpackholiday: 15 stacks LOL
sixpackholiday: stacks of 15 that is, hehe
fe3333au: I don't think Ares met one up north yet ... not sure ... we cannot see barb movement in our tern only you can
sixpackholiday: well anyway, let's scout the area and notify each other if Barbie shows up
fe3333au: yes
sixpackholiday: On a future mission overseas....
sixpackholiday: we have started to plan on how to do that
fe3333au: yes
fe3333au: can you tell us or would that be not good idea
sixpackholiday: a sec
sixpackholiday: back, sorry
fe3333au: k
fe3333au: you were talking about your plans
sixpackholiday: well we could tell you some since we're hoping for you to be a bit of help
fe3333au: k
sixpackholiday: i've understood that MIA's greates concern is Nutters
sixpackholiday: we don't think TNT will be able to do 2 wonders

fe3333au: yes .. atm we see tyhem as a greater threat than TNT and they have also proven to be double dealers in the past
sixpackholiday: so we agree Nuts might be the ones to build the GLib
fe3333au: they already have Lit ... they popped it
sixpackholiday: therefore they are a likely first target
fe3333au: sounds like you think as we do
sixpackholiday: we have scanned their S shores but not yet found a plausible
"wonder city"
sixpackholiday: so prolly they build it further up the country
fe3333au: We have only found 2 cities so far ... capital and one near to us
sixpackholiday: You mean "Crunch"?
fe3333au: umm ... Glazed
fe3333au: we only found capital last turn
fe3333au: and are sailing west
sixpackholiday: I think they have Crunch right W of Springfield IIRC
sixpackholiday: you'll soon be there
fe3333au: look on your map ... the closest land area to us has a new city
sixpackholiday: ok
fe3333au: built maybe last or turn before that
sixpackholiday: the best way to land would be on the other side of the gap
fe3333au: this is another reason we are looking at them as targets
sixpackholiday: @ Itacha
fe3333au: we sail west from our homeland? ... that what you mean
sixpackholiday: No, let's see, the close gap is on your SE coast, right?
fe3333au: yes
sixpackholiday: so it's only a few tiles from landing right on them
fe3333au: that is where they have the new city
sixpackholiday: Our new city, hehe
fe3333au: you want that city?
sixpackholiday: we want somewhere we can land a load of troops quickly when we decide to hit
sixpackholiday: the other reason?
fe3333au: it would be closest for you and us ... so are you suggesting a double attack ... or for us to land else where and divide their forces?
fe3333au: the other reson for us to get nervous ... good staging area for nuts to attck us
sixpackholiday: I've only been asked by the military dpt to inquire on the possibility of a shipping point in your area
sixpackholiday: Good staging area...don't get that, sorry
fe3333au: they use that city to lauch attack and resupply
sixpackholiday: aha, yeah....
fe3333au: regarding your enquirery ... we are always open to discuss any joint effort against a mutual enemy
sixpackholiday: we should make an effort to stop them before they have a chace to build up
fe3333au: yes
fe3333au: have you had any discussions with nuts and how the war goes?
sixpackholiday: they don't talk much to us at all...
sixpackholiday: not me anyway, hehe
fe3333au: holidays
sixpackholiday: guess so, but on the whole they've keeping a low profile. Not
like TNT but...
fe3333au: last we heard there was a fight and both Nuts and TNT lsot units
sixpackholiday: They're still strong vs. us
fe3333au: both?
sixpackholiday: yup
fe3333au: cos everyone is strong vs MIA LOL
sixpackholiday: poor Ares, send him to the gym
fe3333au: but the reason to buld the wonder may be as you said to have a quick Immortal factory
fe3333au: he needs woman and hair on chest LOL
sixpackholiday: i think as soon as Nuts are not strong vs. us, we hit
sixpackholiday: do you have any galleys?

fe3333au: 1
fe3333au: you will be able to build them next turn
sixpackholiday: Hooray...finally
fe3333au: this talk of mutual cooperation makes me feel better
sixpackholiday: like back in the days, right?
fe3333au: yes ... but also different .. we are both individuals now
sixpackholiday: yes
fe3333au: so TNT is talking to you
sixpackholiday: They just send officials when we ask them something...boring
people
fe3333au: Provo still around?
sixpackholiday: Haven't seen him at all
fe3333au: greekguy said something about not having many active players
fe3333au: in the signup thread
sixpackholiday: that is beginning to be a problem for all teams by the looks
fe3333au: for us ... we are used to it LOL
sixpackholiday: darn cIV
fe3333au: yep
fe3333au: If this game starts up in cIV ... I will play but will be more like a
lurker
sixpackholiday: how could you contribute in an attack on Nuts?
fe3333au: this is just me ... it would have to be discussed
fe3333au: but
fe3333au: I would imagine that we would send troops
fe3333au: and either attack side by side ... or from a different point
fe3333au: we would destroy roads and cut luxuries
fe3333au: as well as attack units

sixpackholiday: Hoppies pillage, swords slay
sixpackholiday: good combo
fe3333au: yes ... and horses
sixpackholiday: we would save a lot of shields if we were allowed to station
troops near Itacha
sixpackholiday: a few galleys would suffice

fe3333au: so would you tell TNT?
sixpackholiday: dunno...
fe3333au: I wonder if we tell Nuts that we have seen big stack moving down east
coast

sixpackholiday: TNT stack?
fe3333au: that could send troops away from our atack area LOL
sixpackholiday: that would be a cool move
fe3333au: we could say it
fe3333au: pay them back for playing us both against each other LOL
sixpackholiday: that would be good help too, and they deserve it
fe3333au: it would be very funny and worth many drinks
sixpackholiday: I think there is a good part of neutral territory E of Flaxon
fe3333au: yes
sixpackholiday: we could stroll down there with some GS's, scout for Barbs...
sixpackholiday: and stop outside Itacha

fe3333au: is Itacha a new town?
sixpackholiday: Yeah, on your far E furs
fe3333au: must have been founded last turn ... I have yet to read report ...
happened today
sixpackholiday: right at the gap
sixpackholiday: so you have the "shipping point"
fe3333au: k
sixpackholiday: number of seatiles to Nuts are crucial there
fe3333au: OT ... I will be busy until Sunday with pyro ... after that I will
have more time to get back into the loop
sixpackholiday: The best of luck with that!
fe3333au: I hear waht you are saying
fe3333au: thanks ... house full of shells atm
sixpackholiday: Ka....Booom..lol
fe3333au: yep
sixpackholiday: Ok, it's time to cook some here..
fe3333au: ok ... in principal we like idea of attacking Nuts ... we would
require plans written so we can discuss tactics ... with an agreement not to
tell other teams about it

sixpackholiday: to sum it up (help me):
sixpackholiday: You've got rep coming to ya...

fe3333au: you get all our techs except Poly
sixpackholiday: When recieved, you throw in your part
fe3333au: yes
fe3333au: then we will be two individual nations ... but trusting and friendly

sixpackholiday: when we get them we continue the rep deal and we're both out of despo
sixpackholiday: individuals but friends, yes
sixpackholiday: we scan the area for barbs...

fe3333au: yes
sixpackholiday: and notify each other if we find any...
fe3333au: yes
sixpackholiday: we work out a plan on the Nuts invasion..
fe3333au: yes
sixpackholiday: and send it to you...and no one tells anyone about this
fe3333au: and feed them wrong intel just before the attack LOL
sixpackholiday: hehe...yes
fe3333au: good ... enjoy your evening meal
sixpackholiday: tnx, see you later mate
fe3333au: cya

10 minutes later:
fe3333au: you still there?
sixpackholiday: yep
sixpackholiday: editing our chat
sixpackholiday: but on the way
fe3333au: Chamnix just made a note that we did not trade Philosophy to TNT ... they must have got it somewhere else ... they mentioned before about popping
sixpackholiday: ok
fe3333au: cya
sixpackholiday: i'll add that
sixpackholiday: cya
 
Sirens go off!!! Man your battle stations!
 
The only thing that I see is this
sixpackholiday: to sum it up (help me):
sixpackholiday: You've got rep coming to ya...
fe3333au: you get all our techs except Poly
sixpackholiday: When recieved, you throw in your part
fe3333au: yes
fe3333au: then we will be two individual nations ... but trusting and friendly
sixpackholiday: when we get them we continue the rep deal and we're both out of despo
sixpackholiday: individuals but friends, yes
sixpackholiday: we scan the area for barbs...
fe3333au: yes
sixpackholiday: and notify each other if we find any...
fe3333au: yes
sixpackholiday: we work out a plan on the Nuts invasion..
fe3333au: yes

I understand this to mean that you agreed with everything except Poly. We need to get with them after it's sent and request strongly that they add Poly back to the list.

Or we could just not accept it and give them one more chance, but turning down those techs.... it will be hard.
 
He is trolling for a bruisin'. Time to put the Green Wave in motion. I think in fairness we could give them another chance, but have the GS waitin'
 
We should accept the techs as is then tell them to gift us poly since it absolutely positively should be included.

If not, we can not guarantee anything going forward. Maybe this will send them a message that going into anarchy ain't such a good idea. :hammer:
 
fe3333au: so what do you expect for republic?
sixpackholiday: The techs that you have and we don't
fe3333au: but that does not include Poly
sixpackholiday: oh yes it does
...
sixpackholiday: we would be disappointed if Poly was not in...
sixpackholiday: You make the call
How clear can we be without saying out loud we will invade if Poly's not in :hmm:. We have stated numerous times that we consider Poly a part of the deal so they should be able to figure out that if they don't send it, we consider that breaking the deal. I suggest we wait for their reply and if Poly's in...fine, if not, we say that we're disappointed because we definetly saw Poly coming with Rep according to our initial treaty (but we accept whatever else they send). Then we build troops until mil.dpt says "enough". We also continue discussions on Barb-hunting and overseas missions in order to sneak down a decent amount of GS's.
 
Daghdha said:
How clear can we be without saying out loud we will invade if Poly's not in :hmm:. We have stated numerous times that we consider Poly a part of the deal so they should be able to figure out that if they don't send it, we consider that breaking the deal. I suggest we wait for their reply and if Poly's in...fine, if not, we say that we're disappointed because we definetly saw Poly coming with Rep according to our initial treaty (but we accept whatever else they send). Then we build troops until mil.dpt says "enough". We also continue discussions on Barb-hunting and overseas missions in order to sneak down a decent amount of GS's.
I think you handled yourself perfectly Daghie.
I think the disinformation part was fantastic. Let them think we are headed overseas. :evil: I have a feeling conversations will get very interesting on all fronts regarding disinformation that's being thrown about.

Ahhh....the fog of war.
 
I can't wait until we declare. I hate not talking to fe. I just can't outright lie to him when he thinks that I'm being truthful. After we are at war, I assume that he will know that my words might not be true.
 
I think lying and BS-ing is part of the road that leads to an agreement. Until papers are signed I suppose everyone is wheelin and deelin. But, when the ink has dried, I am very concerned about following what has been penned down. As for now, both we and MIA are lying our tounges out, but they are the only ones (likely) to actually dishonour a treaty IMHO.
When it's over we can all see what went on behind the curtain and hopefully we will all have a good laugh :lol:.
 
Whomp said:
Ahhh....the fog of war.

That was Igor's explination after chili the other day. Maybe we should order him some five alarm behind which your GS can hide...
 
Psychops plan (no not the guy with one eye):

I get the feeling that Fe enjoys chatting with me and feels I'm a fat happy idiot (whomp & tubs, you agree?).

would it be beneficial for me to tell him that by team order, I'm not allowed to talk about the MTDG and then let it slip that we're really concerned about poly?
 
Admiral Kutzov said:
Psychops plan (no not the guy with one eye):

I get the feeling that Fe enjoys chatting with me and feels I'm a fat happy idiot (whomp & tubs, you agree?).

would it be beneficial for me to tell him that by team order, I'm not allowed to talk about the MTDG and then let it slip that we're really concerned about poly?
Why express concern? I think we'd prefer they don't send poly. That gives us reason to attack.
AK I'd still talk with him and play fat happy idiot anyhow and discuss any topic.
 
Whomp said:
Why express concern? I think we'd prefer they don't send poly. That gives us reason to attack.
AK I'd still talk with him and play fat happy idiot anyhow and discuss any topic.
Yes, if we wanna have a chance to sneak out of that peace deal with, at least, 10 turns notice, they better refuse to send Poly. OTOH, we've clearly stated that we consider the old deal void after the swap.
 
i'll play fat happy idiot, but refuse to talk MTDG. should make him wonder

haven't seen him in two weeks
 
WE GOT MAIL
Hail, dearest Neighbors!

We are interested in talking more about the possibility of a joint attack on the Donuts. We agree that an attack by both of us will be more effective that each of us pursuing different goals. Look at how much we've already achieved by working together!

While you researched Republic, we were able to research and trade for all the rest of the Ancient Age techs minus Construction and Polytheism (lucky pop!) The BattleIslanders have achieved nothing of the sort. Peace pays, and we both profit from it. And so we understand your reluctance to have your hands tied in future trading deals with the BattleIslanders. After all, you were locked down in researching Republic while we were free to trade with the others. One thing you should not mistake, though: We traded with TNT only because it was our understanding from communications with you that there was no strong objection, and we happily provided you (or are about to provide you) with all the techs we obtained in trades. We would also like to confirm that we did not trade Philosophy with anyone. Every trade we made was sent to you for approval in advance. But that is behind us. Let us talk of the future.

Since you are receiving MapMaking, and will thus be able to make Harbors, we want to strike a deal concerning Wines for Ivory. We will also add Polytheism to the trade: that way you get Polytheism, and there are no tough explanations required if those nosy BattleIslanders come asking.

Concerning the request for positioning troops on our eastern shore as a staging area for a Dnut invasion:
We see this as a very large step to take so shortly after stating that it is your intention to steer our agreement to "Null and Void" after this Republic swap (in the words of the Estimable Idiot Daghda). Our treaty clearly says that the peace between our two nations may only be broken after a 10-turn warning period, and that 10 turn warning period may not commence until after 10 turns have elapsed from the discovery of Republic. On turn 84 Republic was discovered, thus the peace between us is only binding until turn 104. There is a faction among us who are concerned that you will use the mandated 20 turns of peace to move GS into our heartland, then turn around and declare war with a whole stack already on our doorstep.

Clearly, that is not your intention, and so we think you won't object to agreeing to one of the following arrangements, by which we both continue to build on the successes and the trust of the past:

1. KISSMIA enter into a new x-turn peace deal, with the same triggers and provisos as the last treaty. We understand that you have no desire to see war on this continent, and as such, this treaty is really just formalizing the good will KISS and MIA have towards eachother.

2. If there's no guarantee of peace after turn 104 then we can't open our borders to military units. I'm sure you would feel the same if we were asking to bring 10 swordsmen onto the outskirts of your cherished villages! Therefore we would limit our cooperation to clearing barb camps, and wine-ivory trading. KISS of course would still get preferential treatment in all tech deals.

We look forward to hearing from you and to profit from many more years of peace in our fair lands.

Always yours in Trust and Honor,
Your Neighbors MIA

P.S. We know there has been some confusion over polytheism. We're confident the proposal outlined in the above letter solves this problem in a very satisfactory way for all sides. If not – please know that we take our word seriously, and will make sure we get this resolved so that there are no bad feelings.
I'm off to bed, but it will be extremly interesting to see what you've made out of this when I check out first thing in the morning :D
 
Daghdha said:
2. If there's no guarantee of peace after turn 104 then we can't open our borders to military units. I'm sure you would feel the same if we were asking to bring 10 swordsmen onto the outskirts of your cherished villages! Therefore we would limit our cooperation to clearing barb camps, and wine-ivory trading. KISS of course would still get preferential treatment in all tech deals.
this looks like where we are heading to. They are no fools and can smell a rat. We should agree to this and state that we will be building a harbor and then boats for future invasion plans. We don't necessarily have to go through thier territory to get to where we want to go. Let's agree that we like the trading deal to keep up a good front. We can get poly from the other side. Up to the point of the DOW we need to be all smiles. Are we out of the 10 turns of peace if they don't give poly?
 
1. KISSMIA enter into a new x-turn peace deal, with the same triggers and provisos as the last treaty. We understand that you have no desire to see war on this continent, and as such, this treaty is really just formalizing the good will KISS and MIA have towards eachother.
If we will not accept this deal, or say something only to not sign the new peace treaty, MIA will consider it as a hidden war declaration (they think it will be only after 20 turns :mischief:), and will build many hoplites, prepearing for an attack.
Maybe we should strike right now? We could raze two undefended cities in 2 turns - Flaxon musk, and Chunk Norrisville, using warriors in Senilityville and EWR. Then trigger GA using GS near Gilfach, and build GS's for later upgrade.
 
It looks like they know we'll come (that faction thingy, and the refusal of RoP), just don't know when. I even wonder if they'll revolt at all. :hmm:
 
Pentium said:
It looks like they know we'll come (that faction thingy, and the refusal of RoP), just don't know when. I even wonder if they'll revolt at all. :hmm:
I think we hold war for at least until we see they are in anarchy and strike as soon as they are. They may wait a while but if we keep our gracious look in diplo they will after a few turns. Do we have to wait 10 turns if they don't give poly? I don't think they will.
 
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