Diplo for MIA

[Kickbooti]

The timing will be delicate.

When we declare against MIA I think we should send Battle Isle the following notes.

"Residents of Rik:

We are engaged in armed conflict with MIA. We have had a close relationship with MIA based in honor and trust; that trust was violated precipitating this struggle.

While it pains us to have been so decieved, we rejoice that MIA's duplicity was discovered before any mortal harm could be done to KISS or any other nation.

We in no way intend for this struggle to effect your respective nations. Having lost an honorable partner, we hope that our mutual interests can lead to profitable and trustworthy interaction.

[Perhaps include our proposal with Republic here]

We look forward to future interaction. In the meantime we must slay our brothers and mourn.

Team KISS"

Something like this maybe; take a reasonable tone and everything.

 

[Whomp]

Call off the dogs....MIA caved and is sending poly.

 

[Whomp]

Sorry my name doesn't show up sometimes where I'm talking it shows a space then "says"
The bottom line is they are sending poly with the other techs. This will not allow us to start a conflict for IIRC how the deal works 20 turns.

We need to decide based on further conversation if we are better off knocking off the other continent or focus on them.

They will have construction soon as well it seems and then there's the issue of their free tech. Bede doesn't see this as an issue so I'd go by what the "king of commerce" says.

Is a two front war for Donut and TNT good for both of us or is MIA still our favored target?

Spoiler :

Whomp says:
We got your trade back but no poly
Chamnix says:
we didn't think poly was included in our first deal
Whomp says:
all techs
Chamnix says:
i don't think it is clear, but we take our word seriously
Chamnix says:
if you strongly feel it was included, then my gut is MIA will probably give it to you anyway
Whomp says:
we will clear the table and send republic unaccepted again.
Chamnix says:
you didn't send republic the first time
Whomp says:
dagh?
Drummer Boy says:
yes i did
Chamnix says:
i guess you meant to
Drummer Boy says:
rep was in...not accepted
Drummer Boy says:
very...Very strange if it didn't show up
Chamnix says:
it definitely did not show up, but no harm done
Drummer Boy says:
i was very "step by step" in doing that thing
Chamnix says:
you missed a step
Whomp says:
we should have the admins check the save
Chamnix says:
ok
Chamnix says:
whatever happened with the embassy snafu?
Drummer Boy says:
@Cham, hehe, I might but I doubt it
Whomp says:
we can have ginger or regent check it
Drummer Boy says:
even if it wasn't right by me, I take it you don't want to put Poly in there if rep comes next turn?
Chamnix says:
well, we don't think we "owe" it to you based on the signed agreement, but we are probably willing to give it to you anyway in the interest of friendship
Whomp says:
Cham Rik checked the save and it was not included. We will forward it this turn
Chamnix says:
ok
Whomp says:
you're doing a great job improving score!
Chamnix says:
thanks, but we still have a long way to go to catch you guys!
Chamnix says:
peace is helping us both enormously
Whomp says:
my biggest concern is you will be leaving us in the dust with your free tech but that's your trait
Whomp says:
a fast pace is good for you
Chamnix says:
we will certainly sell it to you at a discount
Chamnix says:
we want to continue to work together
Drummer Boy says:
i'm a bit silent because i feel like a schmuck
Chamnix says:
lol
Chamnix says:
must be a bug in the game
Drummer Boy says:
i try to remind myself of that wheel that once came rolling our way
Drummer Boy says:
must have hit my head
Chamnix says:
you nearly made our heads explode with the Philosophy mumbo-jumbo you gave to us
Drummer Boy says:
i think we have a good reason for bringing that up
Drummer Boy says:
wanna hear?
Chamnix says:
absolutely
Drummer Boy says:
turn 77 TNT has no philo
Drummer Boy says:
we inquire
Drummer Boy says:
turn 78 TNT has philo
Drummer Boy says:
donsig sends the save and mails us within 1 minute
Drummer Boy says:
MIA "whistles" at the save they get
Drummer Boy says:
how strange they popped a GH in the very moment we asked them
Drummer Boy says:
or finished researching it the same turn
Drummer Boy says:
or is it more likely they called you guys and made a deal?
Drummer Boy says:
what would you say?
Drummer Boy says:
also remarkable fe dodged the question by "not remembering because it was a long time ago"
Drummer Boy says:
when actually it happend only 5 turns earlier
Drummer Boy says:
before he went awol
Drummer Boy says:
and how come "the trade happened a long time ago" when TNT popped it?
Chamnix says:
I can't speak for fe's memory, but I solemnly swear to you that MIA did not gift Philosophy to TNT, trade Philosophy to TNT, or help TNT obtain Philosophy in any way, shape or form.
Chamnix says:
I'm looking at my turn 78 update - I noted that TNT discovered Philosophy, just as you did
Chamnix says:
as far as my "whistling" at the save, that was because of a comment someone on KISS made...
Chamnix says:
they said I seemed very focused and apparently that bothered them, so I wanted to try to insert a little humor in the updates.
Chamnix says:
the turn was zipped off to us, I unzipped and whistled thinking of unzipping other things
Chamnix says:
i understand your suspicions, but i don't know how much more strongly i can put that we did not trade philosophy to tnt
Drummer Boy says:
you cannot Cham
Drummer Boy says:
i can see what you're saying
Chamnix says:
was that the main cause of the mistrust?
Drummer Boy says:
way before that fe stated that Poly would Never be part of the rep. deal. That can also explain some...
Chamnix says:
i don't remember the context of that, but i can definitely understand why that would trouble you
Chamnix says:
poly can definitely be part of the Rep deal as long as we are going to remain friends
Chamnix says:
we are very troubled by your cancelling our previous arrangement
Whomp says:
we are not cancelling the deal but we feel poly must be part of that deal
Chamnix says:
i believe daghda said that once the rep deal was consumated then our previous agreement was "null and void"
Whomp says:
it expires with peace the way i read it
Chamnix says:
i don't understand
Whomp says:
we both have fulfilled our part of the republic for techs deal
Whomp says:
as long as all techs are included. we are at tech parity
Whomp says:
the only remaining part to fulfill is the peace part of the agreement
Drummer Boy says:
what we said in the announcement, IIRC, is that we would like a clean sheet after the rep deal is done in a satisfactory way
Chamnix says:
so you believe the peace deal is still in effect?
Whomp says:
if we are at tech parity
Chamnix says:
we thought Daghda meant you were cancelling the peace portion once republic was traded regardless of what techs were involved
Drummer Boy says:
@Cham// will you be on for, say, 20 minutes?
Chamnix says:
sure
Drummer Boy says:
Good, will you excuse us if me and Whomper go powder our noses?
Chamnix says:
lol - powder away
Drummer Boy says:
we'll get back soon
Whomp says:
cham
Chamnix says:
i'm here
Chamnix says:
you're back faster than i expected
Whomp says:
sorry i was clarifying the peace part of the deal
Whomp says:
needed to review again
Drummer Boy says:
everything is cool
Whomp says:
so after both of us receive techs our deal is complete
Whomp says:
except for the 10 turns of peace
Chamnix says:
so we are at peace unless 10 turns warning is given, and no warning has been given so far, correct?
Drummer Boy says:
correctemundo
Whomp says:
actually i think it was terminate the peace was 10 turns
Chamnix says:
i don't see the distinction
Whomp says:
two different things iirc
Chamnix says:
i still don't understand (sorry)
Chamnix says:
i guess you have to treat me like an idiot
Whomp says:
hehe
Whomp says:
let me see if i can explain the interpretation
Whomp says:
after republic and the techs are exchanged the deal is complete
Whomp says:
then we can either renegotiate peace or turn it off. there is 10 turns minimum of peace after the deal is done
Whomp says:
if you or we say no then there's also a 10 turn warning from there
Chamnix says:
i think we agree....
Chamnix says:
mandatory 10 turns peace after republic, then peace unless someone gives 10 turns warning?
Whomp says:
the peace part is complex. lol
Whomp says:
i'll have daghie post
Drummer Boy says:
i think you have it there Cham...
Drummer Boy says:
after rep is in we have 10 turns of no declaring anything
Whomp says:
brb
Drummer Boy says:
after those 10 turns one side can declare that they will strike in 10 turns, but not before
Chamnix says:
got it
Drummer Boy says:
i think we agree there
Drummer Boy says:
that is the current deal as i read it
Drummer Boy says:
and i realize i've must have been unclear with fe about it
Chamnix says:
i think we are now anyway
Drummer Boy says:
or we misunderstood each other...dunno
Chamnix says:
i think we are *clear* now anyway, lol
Drummer Boy says:
yeah
Chamnix says:
any interest from KISS in making a new deal with a longer warning period?
Drummer Boy says:
ok, sorry for messing the sending of rep up
Chamnix says:
no problem
Drummer Boy says:
we will have to talk about how such a deal could be done
Drummer Boy says:
as you can understand from what we have thought about your dealings
Drummer Boy says:
we have been hesitant
Whomp says:
as well we are concerned about not being at tech parity
Whomp says:
even though that's your trait it doesn't give us a lot of trading options
Chamnix says:
neither of us will have many trading options soon anyway
Drummer Boy says:
hehe
Drummer Boy says:
TNT will love us when we enter the Doughnutian shores
Chamnix says:
for a little while they will...
Chamnix says:
not as happy once we turn north after Doughnuts are gone
Drummer Boy says:
prolly not
Drummer Boy says:
but would very much see you as a part of that mission
Chamnix says:
we can't let you grab the entire other continent by yourselves, now can we?
Drummer Boy says:
lol
Drummer Boy says:
66% it is, right?
Chamnix says:
yep, lol
Whomp says:
would it make sense to hit them both?
Drummer Boy says:
you can get 30% over there and 5% here....hehe
Whomp says:
it might loosen up their troops and they've both gotta be gassed
Drummer Boy says:
both will have a 2 front war
Chamnix says:
maybe, but i'm not sure either of us can be confident sending a lot of troops overseas with only 10 turns warning
Drummer Boy says:
earlier i suggested we observe each others shipping of troops
Drummer Boy says:
so we know what has left home turf
Drummer Boy says:
and, most of all, what is left
Drummer Boy says:
roughly at least
Chamnix says:
i didn't think you could see what was in a galley
Drummer Boy says:
if you have 3 hoppies on one coast tile and a galley nearby, when the Hoppies are gone, if they don't swim; they're in the galley
Drummer Boy says:
that is if we have a unit adjecent to them
Chamnix says:
ok, but it still seems so much easier just to sign an agreement not to attack each other instead of having to waste troops being observors
Drummer Boy says:
you may be right
Whomp says:
let's table that. i think both are good targets
Chamnix says:
ok
Drummer Boy says:
well, as i said, we've been somewhat worried about that tnt-deal, but I think Whomps got a point
Chamnix says:
i'm a little hurt that you don't trust us, but hopefully we will convince you over time
Whomp says:
it works both ways
Drummer Boy says:
i'm sure you would have had the same thought Cham, but let's move on. I've gotta get
Drummer Boy says:
good talking to you Cham
Whomp says:
night daghie boy
Drummer Boy says:
catch you laters
Chamnix says:
you staying on whomp?
Chamnix says:
later daghie

Drummer Boy has left the conversation.

Whomp says:
yeah i'm here
Whomp says:
watching football
Chamnix says:
how long till you can complete a harbor?
Chamnix says:
our people are thirsty
Whomp says:
i'm not sure
Whomp says:
our coastals are pretty small
Chamnix says:
jesterton?
Whomp says:
hmm
Whomp says:
that's possible...we can always switch
Chamnix says:
you are certainly not going to let me tell you what to build
Chamnix says:
but it seems a wines for ivory deal is a no-brainer
Whomp says:
yes
Whomp says:
we plan to get a harbor. we will talk about it
Chamnix says:
ok, you let us know
Chamnix says:
we have a harbor and we have excess ivory hooked up and waiting to go
Whomp says:
ok cool
Whomp says:
are you anywhere close to hooking up spices or dyes?
Chamnix says:
not too far
Whomp says:
that may be better than spending the shields on a harbor until we get a GA
Whomp says:
and faster
Chamnix says:
i doubt it would be faster
Chamnix says:
were working but jungle goes slow
Whomp says:
harbor 80s?
Chamnix says:
60 in c3c
Chamnix says:
i think
Whomp says:
right
Whomp says:
no that's right
Whomp says:
we can prioritize that
Whomp says:
we would love to get some buildings up
Chamnix says:
you will be able to switch next turn
Whomp says:
yeah it's just a question whether we need the lux or the markets and libs
Whomp says:
that's why i was asking about the roads
Chamnix says:
actually with our workers slowing down for anarchy, it could be some time before the roads are done
Whomp says:
ok cuz we have them hooked up so we have 5 already
Chamnix says:
ahhh
Chamnix says:
but you have at least 1 size 7 city
Whomp says:
hmmm....you're very observant young grasshoppah
Chamnix says:
lol
Chamnix says:
well, of course you will build whatever is in your best interests, but we would greatly appreciate it if you decided a harbor was in your best interests
Whomp says:
i'm sure it will happen soon
Whomp says:
do you need them bad?
Whomp says:
running up the lux?
Chamnix says:
not too bad in despotism
Whomp says:
republic early...ow
Chamnix says:
it will be a good thing eventually
Whomp says:
always is
Whomp says:
when you play in your solo games is that all you use?
Whomp says:
feud for a culture victory
Chamnix says:
most of the time Republic
Chamnix says:
only use the others for unusual circumstances
Chamnix says:
but i don't have the final say on government
Chamnix says:
that's Domestic minister dept
Whomp says:
variants are the only time i play anything else
Whomp says:
hard to discount the benefits
Chamnix says:
i just don't know whats best in multi
Chamnix says:
how easy is it to win an overseas war in rep
Chamnix says:
against humans
Whomp says:
you definitely have to think different
Whomp says:
they'll use siege weapons and as well try to take them and use them against you too
Chamnix says:
thats not fair - the AI doesnt do that!
Whomp says:
i know
Whomp says:
the AI sends settlers in front of a stack of swords too
Whomp says:
but won't land on them lol
Whomp says:
workers that is
Chamnix says:
this game has been a learning experience for me
Chamnix says:
lots of fun
Chamnix says:
anything else we need to talk about?

Tubby Rower has been added to the conversation.

Chamnix says:
hi tubby
Whomp says:
tubby wants to say hi
Tubby Rower says:
Hi, how was work

Tubby Rower says:
Have you guys heard anything from TNT?
Tubby Rower says:
we have a 2 hp reg curraph off of our shore that jsut showed up
Chamnix says:
they don't chat much
says:
brb guy
Whomp says:
s

Chamnix says:
but we talk some via email and PM
Chamnix says:
trying to trade for construction, but communicating that way takes days to weeks
Tubby Rower says:
they have construction?
Chamnix says:
not yet, but they are researching it
Tubby Rower says:
ah, what have you offered?
Chamnix says:
we were talking about poly and lit - i don't think it is a firm offer yet
Tubby Rower says:
any news of the war... no one talks to us anymore
Chamnix says:
no firm news
Chamnix says:
they both talk vaguely
Tubby Rower says:
it seems as though it's going very slowly for both
Chamnix says:
i think so
Chamnix says:
i think if there was a significant breakthrough like a city destroyed, they would brag about it
Tubby Rower says:
oh yeah
Tubby Rower says:
they've been bragging about unit victories
Whomp says:
i think the immortals stalled on the mountains
Tubby Rower says:
at least their GA is burnt
Chamnix says:
are they both over?
Chamnix says:
i don't remember when they started
Tubby Rower says:
they should be
Tubby Rower says:
I don't remember either but I think that it was turn 55-60
Tubby Rower says:
when things started getting hot
Chamnix says:
Doughnuts started well before TNTs I think
Chamnix says:
TNT couldn't win for a while
Tubby Rower says:
Robi said in the turn tracker--------Turn 59 sent to our good friends TNT
Chamnix says:
so they are done
Tubby Rower says:
A very enjoyable turn 64 sent to TNT
Tubby Rower says:
sent by Robi
Tubby Rower says:
I think that is where it started
Whomp says:
cham you've added 10 more points...what kind of whip do you use?
Chamnix says:
lol, i dont even look at the scores
Chamnix says:
its only because we are lower than you that we can increase faster
Tubby Rower says:
you've been the turn-around in MIA
Whomp says:
but now you'll be up construction and a free tech
Chamnix says:
we sent you an agreement with construction but you didn't want to sign it
Tubby Rower says:
mainly because #1 went against our previous agreement
Chamnix says:
what was #1
Tubby Rower says:
republic for currency, hbr, lit, and crap I forgot the 4th tech
Chamnix says:
i think you misread it
Chamnix says:
im looking for it now, but im pretty sure it had all 5 techs listed
says:
there are 7 if you include construction and the free tech
Whomp says:
that we are down
Chamnix says:
construction was covered - you would pay 50% of gold only if it cost us gold
Tubby Rower says:
what if you trade for techs straight up?
Chamnix says:
we would give it to you
Chamnix says:
it says we will provide const.
Chamnix says:
if we spend money for it, then you reimburse us
Tubby Rower says:
half
Chamnix says:
right
Tubby Rower says:
and the free MA tech?
Chamnix says:
you are right that was not in the agreement
Chamnix says:
but we can talk about that now if you want
Tubby Rower says:
sure
Chamnix says:
we feel we should get something for it
Tubby Rower says:
like?
Chamnix says:
we had talked about 50% of the beaker cost
Tubby Rower says:
of your cost sure
Chamnix says:
lol
Chamnix says:
what do you think would be fair?
Tubby Rower says:
for whom?
Chamnix says:
both?
Tubby Rower says:
it's hard to say. What we think would be fair, you guys won't and vice versa.
Chamnix says:
try us
Tubby Rower says:
well for us to help each other in the MA, it would be highly beneficial for you to give it to us
Tubby Rower says:
but that's not fair to MIA
Tubby Rower says:
giving MIA gold would hamper KISS's research and therefore help no one
Chamnix says:
no one?
Tubby Rower says:
not if we are to run away from the other continent
Chamnix says:
maybe you could pay us after the other continent is out of the picture
Tubby Rower says:
how?
Chamnix says:
payment deferred until say TNT and Doughnuts both are under 5 towns
Chamnix says:
just as an example (I have no idea if MIA will agree to this)
Tubby Rower says:
hmm
Tubby Rower says:
Cham, I just finished playing the turn before I got online with you and sent republic back to you
Chamnix says:
cool
Chamnix says:
thank you
Tubby Rower says:
hope you get a short anarchy
Chamnix says:
thanks

 

[Kickbooti]

Call off the dogs....MIA caved and is sending poly.

Wow. That was close. Now I had to cool my jets AND find a new use for my drum...

It will work out this way. Smacking MIA was business, not personal. Now we can find an enemy that fires the blood. That will be fun too.

 

[gmaharriet]

I wonder what everyone else will be doing with their drums.

 

[Admiral Kutzov]

@KB, I think you need counselling man.

 

[Daghdha]

OK, guys, I think we have the whole rep-deal done now. I have attached 2 pics of the trade. In the 2:d I try to offer MIA rep which would be possible had I missed again. Rep is gone there so...
fe is informed that we have gotten all we want and have sent rep for it.

 

[Tubby Rower]

Republic was on our side because I offered it last turn. That's what you were supposed to do in turn 84 .

If you would have changed ANYTHING their acceptance would have been dropped, even if you put it back the same way. Since we wanted them to add Poly, I added Republic to our side last turn, they added Poly and accepted it, then you accepted the entire deal.

I think that it's done that way so people can't screw with each other, but it takes at least 1 turn to get things through.

 

[gmaharriet]

Republic was on our side because I offered it last turn. That's what you were supposed to do in turn 84 .

If you would have changed ANYTHING their acceptance would have been dropped, even if you put it back the same way. Since we wanted them to add Poly, I added Republic to our side last turn, they added Poly and accepted it, then you accepted the entire deal.

I think that it's done that way so people can't screw with each other, but it takes at least 1 turn to get things through.

This might be a good addition to the stickied thread on "Turn-play How To".

 

[Daghdha]

Really it's just my idiocy . Of course it was there due to Tubby putting it up last time... (I've got a cold and have snot for brains ATM).

 

[Admiral Kutzov]

Here's my proposed declaration of war:

About 85 turns ago The Rik, The GA, and The Regentman brought forth on this continent a new nation, conceived in idiocy and dedicated to the proposition (or is it preposition) that KISS rules.
Now we are about to engage in a great war, testing which shade of green so conceived and so dedicated can long endure. We are about to meet on a great battlefield.
But, in a larger sense, we cannot abdicate, we cannot commiserate, we cannot forgoe our ground. The simple people who argued here have delineated it far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note nor long remember what we say here, but it can never be erased (unless you bribe a moderator or provoke them into action) what is written in these threads. It is for us the idiots rather to be dedicated here to the unfinished work of winning this game which we have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us -- that from this silly game we take increased devotion to that cause of reviling he who shall not be named. We KISS here highly resolve that MIA shall roll over, play dead, and shake hands; that this nation of simple people shall have a new birth of idiocy, and that government of the idiots, by the idiots, for the idiots shall rule the earth.

 

[gmaharriet]

Bravo, AK. That sounds good enough to go down in history as, um, something famous.

 

[Tubby Rower]

Nice AK... you make us proud

 

[IroquoisPlisken]

Nice work, AK!

FIY, 85 turns would be "Fourscore and 5 turns ago".


<-- Just testing...it was showing Tubby's old avatar while I was typing this message.

EDIT: And that's what it is...did I miss something?

 

[Tubby Rower]

Republic was discovered on turn 84. so are we giving them an extra turn just for good measure.

btw, in our SGOTM thread we were discussing the best way to win the game and someone found this http://www.chucknorrisfacts.com/ . If you scroll down to the bottom of the page, you'll find a reference to Civ4. Some of the facts are a bit crude so be careful if you frighten easily or are a weinie.

Chuck Norris is not hung like a horse... horses are hung like Chuck Norris

 

[Smart]

Curragh see the Athens - no hoplites, and warrior is regular

 

[barbslinger]

I knew it! We could have rolled them easily. Good thing they gave us poly.

 

[Beorn-eL-Feared]

Sounds like we have a war, my friends. Even if they have 20 turns, so do we, and we're better off declaring while we know how weak they are and before they start consolidation ...

 

[barbslinger]

Sounds like we have a war, my friends. Even if they have 20 turns, so do we, and we're better off declaring while we know how weak they are and before they start consolidation ...

Quite dishonourable.

 

[Whomp]

A little discussion with Fe about the civ4 demogame and Gram Harriet01 then...I switched gears.

Spoiler :

fe3333au: you and your highbrow jokes ... I'm a simple country boy
bawhomp: anything
fe3333au: anarchy ... the KISS model of playing ... would be fun
bawhomp: it works best but
bawhomp: it's the SG model really
bawhomp: come to a consensus and roll with it
bawhomp: but it seems we haven't been as good at trading as MIA
bawhomp: very shrewd move
fe3333au: we were very worried that it would happen to us :-(
bawhomp: hmm...
bawhomp: well it changes things for sure
fe3333au: what were your dealings with TNT like?
bawhomp: we have none
fe3333au: were you not haggling for Construction ?!!
bawhomp: they sent back an email after you traded with them
fe3333au: must have been a fun read ... not
bawhomp: they said they were "constricted"
bawhomp: whatever that means
bawhomp: now they're the tech leader with you
fe3333au: unfortunate yes
fe3333au: you still open to wines for ivory?
bawhomp: i don't know...
bawhomp: we feel insecure right now
fe3333au: We have since things went hatwire ... about the trade offer upto you intention is there
bawhomp: the agreement was all techs
bawhomp: per agreement with UN
\bawhomp: you don't have to talk about this btw
fe3333au: I don't mind ... we talk in chracter ... and then talk OT other times
fe3333au: brb coffee
fe3333au: back
fe3333au: so you telling us to move the warrior that just cleared the barbcamp to move back to our half of continent?
bawhomp: who said that?
fe3333au: no-one ... just asking ... as I'd prefer to unstress things and not have an inadvertant catalyst
bawhomp: i'm not sure what to make of things anymore. You seem to have the perfect partner
fe3333au: no we had the perfect partner :-(
bawhomp: not really
bawhomp: they are scientific and so are you
bawhomp: we are a threat due to our ag feature
fe3333au: cold logic wise ... I guess you are correct ... but personality of leader (team's) it is certainly no happy match
bawhomp: well i can say our team will not be happy when they see it but that's the way the ball bounces. The good news is you two have lowered the price of construction
fe3333au: yep
fe3333au: but OT ... what a great game !!!!
bawhomp: shrewd *blank*
bawhomp:
fe3333au: I never thought I'd find a game that has all (or most) of the elements that has gotten to me in a big way
bawhomp: you can edit that
fe3333au: whhen my computer went down ... I was frustrated about this game LOL
bawhomp: tell me...until chamnix got online we were in the dark
bawhomp: talk about last second dealings
fe3333au: Glad my g/f indulges me with it ;-)
fe3333au: k
fe3333au: I never saw you guys around on AIM ... I think it was the xmas stuff changing our respective on-line times
fe3333au: i only really ended up talking to Dags
bawhomp: yeah well it worked out
fe3333au: I sent the last agreement proposal ... and we just didn't get any feedback or contact
bawhomp: we responded and coutnered
bawhomp: countered*
fe3333au: Yes and we got excited and were agreeing when you countered again with all deals are off letter
bawhomp: hold on
bawhomp: brb
bawhomp: that could've been a mistake since we didn't have any trading with the others and we didn't like that aspect of things
bawhomp: now you're building military
fe3333au: the proposal called Xmas Treaty or something was good and we were agreeing (no-one on AIM) ... and one or two days later the all deals are off
fe3333au: now we are equal in military strength ... and have barbs to deal with
bawhomp: can you understand that a fast research pace is to TNT and your advantage?
fe3333au: yes
bawhomp: well then you have your partner it seems
fe3333au: I guess
bawhomp: not bad considering you get 2 MA techs out of the gate
fe3333au: that was roll of dice fingerbiting scenario
fe3333au: *fingernail
bawhomp: high probability
fe3333au: well we won't start anything if you don't
bawhomp: what do you propose?

fe3333au: well we see the continent divided equally as it is ... is good
fe3333au: we are unwarlike ... and do not want to fall into Battle Island trap ... where war is perpetual
fe3333au: and we offer the wines for ivory anytime you want to take it up
bawhomp: we don't need luxs
fe3333au: regarding trade of knowledge I cannot say anything one way or another ... but we are open to receiving proposal ... it must be marked confidential and we would not speak to others about it
bawhomp: there's not much we can propose since we are 3 techs behind
fe3333au: at this stage
bawhomp: we will just have to research harder it seems
fe3333au: yep
bawhomp: so much for researching a govt. pretty stupid it seems
fe3333au: no we were even when our relationship ended
bawhomp: govts. are not equal just like pottery is not equal
fe3333au: are you researching another government ??? ... I don't understand
bawhomp: we may
fe3333au: oh ...
fe3333au: well I hope it does not come to blows ... that would be sad thing ... and very very beneficial to Nuts
bawhomp: the advantage of our trait...
fe3333au: Thats a good trait ... I usually play religious
fe3333au: OT ... Mongols are what trait?
bawhomp: expansionist and militaristic

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