Diplo for TNT

It seems that TNT has taken this personally and peace is probably not likely anytime soon. Donsig seems to be calling all the shots and no one else has a say. I feel this will be their Waterloo...

Tubby will add the first part of the conversation when I was bounced out...
Spoiler :
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
in TNT or in general?
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welcome back
Tubby Rower says:
no listening = in TNT
Whomp says:
something's wrong with my ethernet card
Tubby Rower says:
Operator
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we listen
Whomp says:
it says a network cable is unplugged sorry
Tubby Rower says:
just don't respond
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just sometimes ignored
Tubby Rower says:
So what can be offered for peace?
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
realistically
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maybe some gold
Tubby Rower says:
we don't need gold
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
well then thats about all i could probably say, we might do a biased trade in your favour
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but even then i dunno
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i'd like to say something against someone else
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but no-one on the team is going to go for that
Tubby Rower says:
well find out what TNT is willing to offer for peace and get back with us
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
well donsig is online, so no matter what anyone else says TNT normally ends up doing what he says as he's prez/turn taker
Tubby Rower says:
hmmm.. powerful position
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yer well he did put the position up for nomination a month back but no-one else could be arsed to do it
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we nominated theoden but he was too busy
Tubby Rower says:
!lol
Tubby Rower says:
we had that problem once
Whomp says:
we did?
Tubby Rower says:
then I playyed for a while and now everyone is volunteering
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oooo saviour!
Tubby Rower says:
so is there anything else that we can discuss? gifted cities? free techs?
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
not sure we have any techs you dont
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plus i dont think we can
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and cities is just not an option
Tubby Rower says:
why can't you?
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
well we dont have anything you dont
Tubby Rower says:
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plus i dont think we can

Tubby Rower says:
why do you think that you can't?
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
because no-one wants to give you anything for peace, just getting peace for free would probably take discussion even though its the best option we could hope for right now
Tubby Rower says:
hmmm... arrogant lot you have over at TNT.
Whomp says:
see thing is we can be patient
Whomp says:
you can't
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why not?
Whomp says:
infrastructure for one
Whomp says:
war wariness
Whomp says:
grind grind grind
Whomp says:
what's your current peace treaty with donut?
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
well we havnt had any cities actually taken by you so that isnt so much of a big thing right now
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about the WW there
Whomp says:
abandoning and razing is nearly the same
Tubby Rower says:
so continue to raze your own cities that's fine with us
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
errr treaty with the nutters
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ill go have a look
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we've got a peace treaty, no go area etc
Whomp says:
demarcation line i suppose
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whats that mean???
Whomp says:
no crossing a certain area
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ah right yer
Whomp says:
and peace for a long time i suppose
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i think so
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someone was banging on about re-negotiating that treaty
Whomp says:
that may help you
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how'd you mean?
Whomp says:
extending peace
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yer we figured as much
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what about you and MIA, how come you signed a treaty for 50 turns when you were just about to go to war?
Whomp says:
other plans
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us?
Whomp says:
kind of worked that way didn't it
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yer
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btw when/if we do start diplomascising who should i e-mail?
Tubby Rower says:
me or whomp
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k doke
Tubby Rower says:
or send it to teamkiss@gmail.com
Whomp says:
or admiral lol
Tubby Rower says:
Simon, I'm going to go but I'll leave the window open to see what's going on.
Tubby Rower says:
nite nite
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nite
Whomp says:
bye tubs
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so if say you manage to knock us off, who'd be next?
Whomp says:
then we have lots of land
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yer but next to go to war against?
Whomp says:
i'm not sure if we have to
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why?
Whomp says:
well we can crank up science with our trait
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and shoot for a what victory?
Whomp says:
depends
Whomp says:
growth is power
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so is knowledge
Whomp says:
in civ3 it's growth #1
Whomp says:
can't have knowledge without citizens...the more citizens to more beakers and specialists
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i spose
Whomp says:
so the question is whether you can fight and grow
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we cant stop growing right now
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its part of the problem
Whomp says:
so that's what you have to figure out. do you fight to the death or do you get back in the game
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
well ok if you wanted peace, whats the lowest you'd offer
Whomp says:
i'm not sure. i'd have to discuss it with the team
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
well talk about it, right now whatever you say we're pretty likely not to accept but its always useful to know
Whomp says:
the longer it takes the harder it will become to make peace
Whomp says:
we can be patient
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
yer but many of my team play this game on like a personal level
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so when your declaring war on them they take it personally, which maybe they should but they then ignore the bad parts of whats going on
Whomp says:
well unfortunately you're the only team that wouldn't talk to us
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well thats what tubby said
Whomp says:
good question
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but i looked through our communications with you
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and noticed only 1 unreplied too message
Whomp says:
there were times we sent messages without response early on
Whomp says:
never was a peace treaty even discussed
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well you sent this one
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Ahoy, Traditori!

In honor of our meeting we have turned the music down on our party boat...

Would you like a malt beverage? We have ale and stout.

Or maybe something a little more potent, we have a bottle of Jack here, just let me get the dust off the bottle.

Of course if you prefer, pink zinfandel, or maybe a nice dry white.

Be happy if you'd join us for this cruise.

RSVP this address.

jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
Ahoy Mateys!

Actually we think you should turn the music up and start the party! Any of those drinks are fine, infact we'll take whatever you guys specialize in. We hope that this party is the start of good relations!

vbraun
Ironic Ambassador
Grand Veezer

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and we replied
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then you sent another one which we didnt end up replying too because i think vbraun stopped playing and they must have forgot
Whomp says:
see
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yer but once
Whomp says:
well we don't have to start all discussions
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and then you sent this
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Hello Grand Vizer,

Who can say what a picture is worth?
A thousand words, a thousand krona
For we've had a look inside the Banana
How might you ask can we see?
Why by looking out the window
Of our new embassy
In exchange for the skills
Of laying brick on brick
We'll keep our knowledge to ourselves
And not share how many shields
You make on each tile
With the cake eaters of Springfield

jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
If before our turn sixty four
The gift of masonry we see.

Kisses,

jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
blackmailing us maybe wasnt the best way to make friends
Whomp says:
you were not very responsive and made no attempts at any type of treaty
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you didnt propose one either though
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also, we didnt sign a peace treaty with anyone, maybe a highlight of our MP naievaty
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not sure how you spell that
Whomp says:
i understand what you meant
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phew
Whomp says:
naivette?
Whomp says:
i dunno either
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lol
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yer 'newness'
Whomp says:
funny how this is the first conversation i've ever had with someone from your team
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thats cos im awesome
Whomp says:

Whomp says:
just think...two months ago this conversation could've made things very different
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probably
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out of the 3 though, i least prefer to be at war with KISS
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no-one would go for my first choice
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and 2nd choice doubt would happen either
Whomp says:
we're just a bunch of idiots though
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yer
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btw whoever wrote the declaration of war, was pretty funny
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i got scorned when i mentioned that
Whomp says:
kickbooti
Whomp says:
lol
Whomp says:
i thought the timing was impeccable
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had you actually been planning that?
Whomp says:
yep
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cool
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well not really that cool for us
Whomp says:
it's not over my friend...more to come
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but pretty funny
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more???
Whomp says:
pain train
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ah right k
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you actually planning on landing more units then
Whomp says:
did you think we'd stop there?
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well we never really thought about it tbh
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well anything more KISS/TNT wise?
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otherwise i best be getting to bed
Whomp says:
caffeine is wearing off...i would say if you want to talk we're open...if you want to fight to the death that's ok too
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
well, oooooooo send me an e-mail so i have something to do
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that way i look all big nd stuff
Whomp says:
ok
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can toddle off and post it in the main forum
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and be like 'oooooooooooh yer!'
Whomp says:
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oh and tubby when your reading this if i dont talk to you beforehand am looking forward to kicking your ass in hattrick
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
cool, well ill speak to you another time, night night

 
That's a very interesting conversation. It doesn't sound like they are approaching this with any logic or reason. Strictly emotion. A very poor way to run a country. (And that's coming from a member of an anarchy!)

I think this makes their movements make more sense. They are going to come storming right at us and kick our butt. We need to play to this weakness. I think it sets them up for our end around move even better.
 
Sir Bugsy said:
I think this makes their movements make more sense. They are going to come storming right at us and kick our butt. We need to play to this weakness. I think it sets them up for our end around move even better.
So hey Bugs... wanna pick up the next save and play to their weakness? :devil:
 
Here is the first part of the conversation......
Spoiler :
Whomp says:
WTH...my ethernet card is not working now
Tubby Rower says:
your msn sucks
Whomp says:
and i don't know where to find my ethernet card

Whomp was added to this conversation. Handwriting is no longer supported because not all participants can view handwritten messages. Handwritten messages will be sent as text.

Whomp says:
do you know what it means to bridge connections?
Tubby Rower says:
ok Simon was added over here
Whomp says:
'ello young simon
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hey
Tubby Rower says:
I was telling Simon that parts of MIA wanted a piece of us
Whomp says:
i'm sure they still do
Whomp says:
i know for a fact they want me
Tubby Rower says:
Simon is our diplo contact with TNT
Whomp says:
someone's gotta talk to us
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
well thats not what they we're telling us
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they we're showing us parts of your messages
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showing relationships going sour from your end
Tubby Rower says:
parts = key word
Whomp says:
there was some serious differences of opinion
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we can only judge on what we see
Whomp says:
of course...well it's in the past
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when your only seeing one side of the convo
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this looks fairly bad---

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To MIA Diplomatic Corps:

We are unhappy, and frustrated, by your recent dealings with the "Dark Side" across the water. We can no longer guarantee continued peaceful relations beyond 470BC (T104).

During this period we will view any incursion of your troops or settlers north of The Line of Demarcation set forth in the attached map as an act of war a
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
During this period we will view any incursion of your troops or settlers north of The Line of Demarcation set forth in the attached map as an act of war and will respond accordingly.

Bede of KISS
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crap wrong convo
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gonna have to turn that convo with tubby off now
Whomp says:

Whomp says:
they screwed us over but let them deal without us now
Whomp says:
no biggie
Whomp says:
it's what they want then that's what they got
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well there were a few of us, cough me cough, who were especially annoyed at their help or lack thereof during your invasion
Whomp says:
they would rather play peaceful and build is my guess
Whomp says:
go for a space shot
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
yer, the game isnt going to last that long...
Whomp says:
they may think it will
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but also ive been made minister for war now *puffs our chest*
Whomp says:

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not much help now we've already been invaded
Whomp says:
tactician
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and that better not be a smiley because im not good and your happy now
Whomp says:
how does that work? is it similar to the demogame?
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well its sort of a self appointed position
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basically i said i was
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in an attempt for people to stop listening to another member of our team
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so im sort of making it up what i do as i go along
Tubby Rower says:
sorry I'm playing a PBEM
Tubby Rower says:
I'll brb
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its k
Whomp says:
tubs what's up with the cats going back and forth?
Whomp says:
tubby is persians in our 3x2 pbem
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ah ok
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wish my first pbem would get started
Whomp says:
tubby and grahamiam vs. barbu and i vs rik meleet and mistfit
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cool
Whomp says:
all war against each other. no friends except your partner
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civ 4 or 3?
Whomp says:
that one is 3
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ah ok
Whomp says:
we're at the beginning of the MA
Whomp says:
with kings
Whomp says:
tubby has a galley outside one of my cities...i will have to destroy him if he lands
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lol
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accidently uninstalled civ3 the other day
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all of it and only have the conquests disc on me
Whomp says:
oh no
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so gotta try and find the other one
Whomp says:
crap
Whomp says:
that stinks
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yer but am havin fun with the mods in civ4
Whomp says:
really which ones?
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errr well i liked the built in ancient greek world one and have downloaded a couple
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just seeing what its called
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downloaded this one-http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=144716 but havnt managed to play it yet
Whomp says:
they had that one in civ3 too
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been playing this one-http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=144971 i like it, has loads more civics and techs
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yer i know but i never found it for civ3
Whomp says:
i'd like to try a WWII mod
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theres one built into the game
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played that this afternoon as well
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the 'desert war' one but i dont think its that good
Whomp says:
i've played it too and don't like it so much
Whomp says:
aircraft is too powerful
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yer
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so anyways, what are KISS doing now?
Tubby Rower says:
ok
Tubby Rower says:
back
Whomp says:
what'd you do with that galley?
Tubby Rower says:
kill your barb galley
Whomp says:
aha so you met that guy huh?
Whomp says:
he was protecting my coast. i think he sunk one of rik's boats
Whomp says:
redliner right?
Tubby Rower says:
no longer
Whomp says:
Sorry Simon...so what are the thoughts on the war?
Whomp says:
or police action?
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
well its not good for TNT in so many ways
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yes we're at war so theres the chance of losing more cities, units etc
Whomp says:
economics could be an issue
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but also we're the only team to have been at war twice and we're already a couple of hundred points behind you and MIA so its not going to get any better
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we have a bit of infrastructure but no-one knows how to work tiles on TNT, there irrigating floodplains
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*their
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*they're
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we've also had some very different ideas on how we can proceed in this war
Tubby Rower says:
division doesn't have it's place in war
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plus i prefer wars which i have planned expertly
Tubby Rower says:
this one has
Whomp says:
it's a rough spot to be in
Whomp says:
the question is whether you can offer us something to stop?
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
well thats just not going to happen
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even if i wanted it, the rest of the team doesnt
Tubby Rower says:
so what's the point of talks?
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gives me as an ambassador something to do i guess
Whomp says:
well look at it this way. We'll take you in with open arms....later.
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hmmm???
Whomp says:
refugee
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jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
well were curious what your hoping to gain now from this war after you've got your GA
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even if you were to land more units we're avaerage with you on military and have a better UU in terms of attack
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*average
Whomp says:
what's your unit support?
Whomp says:

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5
Whomp says:
5gpt?
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sure
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whats yours?
Whomp says:
I don't think we have any
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thats pretty special in republic
Whomp says:
so is war wariness
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we havnt got any of that yet
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dont think
Whomp says:
if it kicks in for us we'll switch to monarchy
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i dunno if we'll bother early on, is quite a long time
Whomp says:
you can't afford the anarchy
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pretty much
Whomp says:
pretty much you're a republic so let us know when it gets painful on the lux slider. maybe we can negotiate something...maybe we can't
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well that isnt going to happen for awhile
Whomp says:
fine
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we do have extensive trade routes
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and luxs
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and smaller cities
Whomp says:
doesn't help unit support to be small
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howd you mean?
Whomp says:
the bigger the more unit support
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yer but wasting a couple of gold per city on unit support is better than spending it on lux's
Tubby Rower says:
then you don't have the luxes you claim
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ok
Whomp says:
and infrastructure can't be built
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why not?
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so what are you lot hoping to accomplish from this war? realistically i cant see you destroying us

Whomp has left the conversation.

Tubby Rower says:
well you have asked this for the past few days
Tubby Rower says:
why should we offer our game strategy when you have fed us non-truths?
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non truths?
Tubby Rower says:
5gpt unit support?
Tubby Rower says:
no way
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well i cant go telling you that
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am i even allowed in the rules?
Tubby Rower says:
sure as long as your team allows you to
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
well i figured you would notice i was joking with the 5gpt instantly
Tubby Rower says:
I figured but why are you expecting us to be honest with you about strategy?
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and i dont really think my team is going to let you share the size of our army with the people invading us
Tubby Rower says:

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plus the longer this war goes on, the less i do as ambassador
Tubby Rower says:
I'm not sure what I can tell you that would help things
Tubby Rower says:
it sounds like no one is listening anyway

Whomp has been added to the conversation.

jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
in TNT or in general?
 
i'm with you 100% on that Daghie(another dagger to MIA as well). I think if we cut off those coastals they are d.o.n.e. done. We have the time to be patient in this process so there's no reason to be in a hurry but get the job done properly.
 
Whomp said:
i'm with you 100% on that Daghie(another dagger to MIA as well). I think if we cut off those coastals they are d.o.n.e. done. We have the time to be patient in this process so there's no reason to be in a hurry but get the job done properly.

Thatta boy, Whompster. Patience and persistence.
 
Remember that the trade route runs from capitol to capitol. If we go along the coast we may have to slice thirty tiles, plus those through Donutia while they are at peace. If we stay close to the capitol, we onlu have to slice nine.

Scout - I'll play the turn if you want me to.
 
Simon seems open to peace... Whomp & I told him that we could accept peace for a plot of land along the coast. I made sure to mention that we would continue the war until the peace treaty is signed.

Apparently Dinsog's suggestion of peace terms is to allow us to leave :lol: . I literally laughed out loud at that one. Also some of their guys had no clue that foreign workers would work at 1/2 speed. :D

Spoiler :
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
so what do you lot actually want with the remainder of this war/
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
?
Tubby Rower says:
some respect...

Whomp has been added to the conversation.

Tubby Rower says:
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
so what do you lot actually want with the remainder of this war/
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
?
Tubby Rower says:
some respect...

jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
ok this convo
Tubby Rower says:
yes
Whomp says:

Tubby Rower says:
Whomp you there ?
Tubby Rower says:
allowing us to leave is not a peace proposal
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
well i know that
Tubby Rower says:
I was just stating it in case you wanted to take it back to your team
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
i didnt
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
that was something someone on my team came up with
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
i was telling you about it before
Tubby Rower says:
oh ok... another joke.
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
no
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
donsig genuinly proposed that
Whomp says:
well at least you have mia picking up your science for you
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
we dont have that either
Tubby Rower says:
Dinsog really thought that would be suitable to us?
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
erm yup, that and we should be compensated
Whomp says:
hehe
Tubby Rower says:
hmm.. Germany didn't have that option in WW2
Tubby Rower says:
Japan was rebuilt because the USA felt bad about the nuke
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
the west was
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
so anyways
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
what are you wanting
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
?
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
just ive got my driving test tomorrow so ill be going to bed soon
Whomp says:
one of the first things i've read so far is 2 cities and a carve out on the continent
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
yer can tell you immediatly your not going to be getting any cities anytime soon
Whomp says:
ok then start building some boats
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
think we are
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
not too sure what were building
Tubby Rower says:
that might need to be required reading
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
well i know the jist of whats being built
Whomp says:
boats may take a long time considering the size of your coastal cities
Whomp says:
and not building immortals or pikes or settlers or workers or or or
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
hmm???
Whomp says:
your coastals cities focusing on galleys will make for even more difficult times ahead
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
why?
Whomp says:
because you can only build one thing at a time
Tubby Rower says:
land units might be needed
Whomp says:
3 small coastal cities doesn't make for much of a navy
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
yer, we've worked out a battle plan
Whomp says:
ok that's good
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
and we've only got 2 coastal cities
Whomp says:
right one burned
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
yup
Whomp says:
2 coastal cities...one size...what 4?
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
5 or 6
Whomp says:
and the other size 3 or 4?
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
think so
Whomp says:
on a river?
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
errr
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
not sure
Whomp says:
you don't have to answer we know
Whomp says:
brb
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
oh ok
Tubby Rower says:
so basically you guys want us to leave and we want to stay
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
pretty much
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
plus we dont have enough cities just to be giving them away now
Whomp says:
well all the more reason why you'd want to give us land
Whomp says:
that's really what we want
Tubby Rower says:
we could draw a line in the sand (via text directions) and we have rights to that land and you guys could have rights to the other side
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
so what your wanting is a foothold?
Tubby Rower says:
no just land
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
on our continent, right next to our capital would count as a foothold really
Whomp says:
we can take a slice along the coast
Whomp says:
up and down
Tubby Rower says:
we won't break a treaty
Tubby Rower says:
look at the SG's we play
Tubby Rower says:
we don't break them against the AI.
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
k well i dont mind giving you the land so long as we have a proper treaty and everything drawn up but thats just me
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
i have no idea what everyone else thinks
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
draw up what you want and ill see what they say
Tubby Rower says:
we can work up a first proposal, but keep in mind that we will continue to prosecute this war until peace is signed.
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
as will we
Tubby Rower says:
excellent
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
anyways i want some diplomasising to do so send it
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
but unless theres anything else i best be off
Whomp says:
we will have our mapmakers get something together
Tubby Rower says:
ok good luck wiht the test tomorrow
Whomp says:
see ya simon
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
got test tomorrow and im a pretty bad driver as it is
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
cheers
Tubby Rower says:

jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
night all
Tubby Rower says:
nite
Whomp says:
left foot clutch
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
thanks whomp
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:

Whomp says:


jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever has left the conversation.

Tubby Rower says:
it might be opposite in England
 
Tubby Rower said:
Whomp says:
left foot clutch
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
thanks whomp
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:

Whomp says:


jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever has left the conversation.

Tubby Rower says:
it might be opposite in England[/spoiler]

:rotfl:

Sometimes I wish I liked MSm...

Tubs, you're the best.
 
Sir Bugsy said:
Scout - I'll play the turn if you want me to.
If you'd like to be the team's turnplayer for a bit, I'll gladly step aside and let you have a go at it. :hatsoff:

I think it can only help us to have someone else put their eyes on it in actual play.

City management things to think about: Jesterton will complete its market this turn, and is working a mined iron hill that could be shared with SKWTD. There are lots of tile-swapping opportunities between SKWTD, Gilfach, and Knucklehead.

Effing Whomping Rower will complete a worker next turn if the queue isn't set to walls or something. That will affect the 2 scientists I hired there...in turn affecting the research cycle.

Oh yeah - don't forget to put some short-rush shields into a Trebuchet or two. If we can complete 1 Treb per turn over the next 40 turns... MIA will rue the day they pick a fight with us.
 
OK then. I have it. I will play and post shortly.

Any ship chaining things I need to think about?
 
Sir Bugsy said:
Any ship chaining things I need to think about?
You should be able to put your choice of a trebuchet/Gallic or Pike/Settler in Spite if you decide to found it this turn...

Most of the ships are a little bit out of position for good ship chaining... since I did so much shuffling to get a settler out of Dionysus and onto The Other Continent last turn.

You might want to consider swinging a Galley up our north coast to run settlers to the jungle coast in the west...
 
thank goodness i read this, i was starting to look at the save to play :lol: go get'em bugs :hammer:

oh, and looking at the save, one thing I would like to add is that the roads thru the jungle need choke points with barracades on them. otherwise, if MIA captures a town, they will have all the jungle roaded for them and can get thru to our core no problem. throw up so barracades at key points and move the excess workers back to the core/fp core. the war with TNT looks like we're in for some classic back-n-forth. could be touch-n-go for a bit here :)
 
I got this message from BCLG today. :confused:
Do we want to give them some lines of demarcation?

bclg said:
hey,

TNT recieved a peace treaty today from KISS however it wasnt accepted and had nothing on, so did you mean to send that and also have you got what you want written up yet?
 


Since Whomp is busy dealing with my swarm of workers in the mega-pitboss, I decided to make up this map for critique. I think that it's fair, considering that they want us to leave and we don't :lol:
 
In words that would be
Starting east of Grenadopolis KISS gets
Spoiler :
1S of the fish
1SW Ivory tile
1S grass tile
1SW forest tile
1SE grass tile
1S forest tile
1SW grass tile
1SE grass tile
1 S grass tile
1 SE ivory tile

Discuss thoughts on this and ending the war...
 
Chivalry? It seems BCLG would like to propose chivalry but no land. They may get theo from MIA reasonably soon though. Thoughts? This would go down as the shortest PBEM war in the history of PBEMs. :cool:
Spoiler :
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
will KISS have peace for chivalry?
Whomp says:
you'll give us chivalry?
Whomp says:
and land?
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
no just the chivalry part
Igor says:
what about the wenches?
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
we can dress provo up
Whomp says:
i can propose it..
Igor says:
that kills the deal
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
lol so not provo thne
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
*then
Whomp says:
ok so no land but chivalry..hmm
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
well yup
Igor says:
I need lux for my headache
Whomp says:
furs?
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
i dont honestly think we have any of them
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
i can check
Whomp says:
we wiped them out
Igor says:
wenches aren't a lux?
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
oh ok, well were all ready to resettle
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
erm dont think so
Igor says:
damn
 
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
oh ok, well were all ready to resettle

What in the world.. They are just holding settlers? I told Whomp, that MIA has both Chivalry and Theology . I'd be fine with two of the following for peace.

1. undisputed land rights
2. Chivalry
3. Theology
 
They're feeling cocky right now. They've got pikes that will cover their immortals against Gallic Swords... but if we can get some trebs into the action to wear down those pikes... and if we can get that combined arms force into a town (where their pikes can't heal) we will wear them down.

How sure are we that the Scientifics have Chivarly?
 
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