Diplomatic Victory Elimination Thread

[Beaver79]

Diplo favors probably are being overrated here, but let's be honest, no one really has more than a 1% advantage over anyone else for getting a diplo victory. We have to pick something to vote on. There are 2 proposals that you can win with 1 vote and a couple others that you win with 2 votes.

2. Amanitore/Nubia [15]
3. Catherine/France [24] = 23 + 1 There are 3 things you need to get a diplo victory. Build key wonders, guess right on World congress proposals, and winning aides. Catherine can build wonders slightly faster, she can guess on what to vote for by seeing agendas, and she can make better spies thus getting more money for the aides. She stinks overall, but is geared towards a diplo victory.
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [25]
6. Cyrus/Persia [5]
8. Eleanor/France [21]
9. Eleanor/England [11] = 14 - 3 dirty rotten polluter slightly hurts diplo favor but also probably helps wonder production a bit.
11. Gandhi/India [20]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [23]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [21]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [17]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [20]
19. Jayavarman/Khmer [17]
20. John Curtain/Australia [22]
21. Kristina/Sweden [27]
22. Kupe/Maori [23]
23. Lautaro/Mapuche [12]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [24]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [26]
26. Montezuma/Aztec [3]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [17]
29. Pedro/Brazil. [17]
30. Pericles/Greece [30]
31. Peter/Russia [21]
32. Philip/Spain [8]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [21]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [20]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [21]
36. Saladin/Arabia [21]
37. Seondeok/Korea [14]
38. Suleiman/Ottomans [19]
40. Tamar/Georgia [26]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [27]
42. Tomyris/Scythia [5]
43. Trajan/Rome [20]
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [23]
46. Wilhemina/Netherlands [14]

 

[leandrombraz]

2. Amanitore/Nubia [15]
3. Catherine/France [24]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [25]
6. Cyrus/Persia [2] (5-3) - Has some cultural advantage but is a warmonger at heart, with an ability that can't be used without grievances, which is useless if you're not eliminating other Civs
8. Eleanor/France [21]
9. Eleanor/England [11]
11. Gandhi/India [20]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [23]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [21]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [17]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [20]
19. Jayavarman/Khmer [17]
20. John Curtain/Australia [22]
21. Kristina/Sweden [27]
22. Kupe/Maori [24] (23+1) - Can get extra envoys early through exploration, has strong culture and is overhaul a strong Civ
23. Lautaro/Mapuche [12]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [24]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [26]
26. Montezuma/Aztec [3]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [17]
29. Pedro/Brazil. [17]
30. Pericles/Greece [30]
31. Peter/Russia [21]
32. Philip/Spain [8]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [21]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [20]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [21]
36. Saladin/Arabia [21]
37. Seondeok/Korea [14]
38. Suleiman/Ottomans [19]
40. Tamar/Georgia [26]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [27]
42. Tomyris/Scythia [5]
43. Trajan/Rome [20]
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [23]
46. Wilhemina/Netherlands [14]

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Why so much hate for warmongers?

• Warmongering is OP and any victory can be won by that. If we gonna consider the warmonger route for every victory, we might as well skip to the Domination victory Elimination thread and cancel it for other victories since they will all be the same. If you eliminate everyone to cheese a diplo win, you're playing domination and merely triggering a diplo victory at the end. That's a valid way to play but should it have weight while discussing which Civ is best for Diplomacy? No, it shouldn't;
• Even if you go down the Warmonger route, A Civ with advantages for a Diplo victory still better than a war focused Civ. A Civ like Hungary, that is good for military but still got advantages for diplomacy is way better suited for Diplomacy;
• "We are rating civs mainly regarding power but flavor is also taken into account.". Is there anything more flavorless than winning a Diplomatic victory by eliminating everyone?

Anyone who thinks favors is a small part of diplo victory either never paid much attention to how the congress works, outside of ill informed theories, or is totally planning to savescum the congress. Even with 12 Civs, needing 4000 favors to win a normal resolution is a extremely rare occurrence, it's a worse case scenario. Yes, that +5/turn can easily win you a vote. The Diplo vote is the only vote where almost every AI will go all in in the same option, any other resolution the AI holds back. You'll only sell favors and ignore its value in the congress if you're not worried about losing it. Since you can't afford to lose a single resolution if you plan to win quick without relying on Aid Request, there's only one reason to dismiss favors so easily: You're not planning to rely on it., AKA savescumming. I can't imagine a player that is trying to win quickly accepting that he just got a 30 turns delay and that he now relies on luck to get that 30 turns back, not when you can easily fix it with one simple load.

If you're not savescumming, you want as much favors as you can get to be confortable in the congress.

 

[Datgingah]

2. Amanitore/Nubia [15]
3. Catherine/France [24]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [25]
6. Cyrus/Persia [2]
8. Eleanor/France [21]
9. Eleanor/England [11]
11. Gandhi/India [20]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [23]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [21]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [17]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [20]
19. Jayavarman/Khmer [17]
20. John Curtain/Australia [22]
21. Kristina/Sweden [27]
22. Kupe/Maori [24]
23. Lautaro/Mapuche [12]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [24]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [26]
26. Montezuma/Aztec [3]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [17]
29. Pedro/Brazil. [17]
30. Pericles/Greece [30]
31. Peter/Russia [21]
32. Philip/Spain [8]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [21]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [21] (20+1) Say what you will about those early wonders but fact remains China is one of the best civs to get them, making it a higher tier diplo civ.
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [21]
36. Saladin/Arabia [21]
37. Seondeok/Korea [14]
38. Suleiman/Ottomans [19]
40. Tamar/Georgia [26]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [27]
42. Tomyris/Scythia [2] (5-3) I maintain this is only good for war.
43. Trajan/Rome [20]
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [23]
46. Wilhemina/Netherlands [14]

 

[Lily_Lancer]

2. Amanitore/Nubia [15]
3. Catherine/France [24]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [25]
6. Cyrus/Persia [2]
8. Eleanor/France [21]
9. Eleanor/England [11]
11. Gandhi/India [20]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [23]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [21]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [17]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [20]
19. Jayavarman/Khmer [17]
20. John Curtain/Australia [22]
21. Kristina/Sweden [27]
22. Kupe/Maori [24]
23. Lautaro/Mapuche [12]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [24]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [26]
26. Montezuma/Aztec [3]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [17]
29. Pedro/Brazil. [17]
30. Pericles/Greece [30]
31. Peter/Russia [21]
32. Philip/Spain [8]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [21]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [21]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [21]
36. Saladin/Arabia [21]
37. Seondeok/Korea [14]
38. Suleiman/Ottomans [19]
40. Tamar/Georgia [26]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [27]
42. Tomyris/Scythia [3] 2+1 Stronger than Canada in Diplomatic victory
43. Trajan/Rome [20]
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [20=23-3] The second worse Civ.
46. Wilhemina/Netherlands [14]

Domination is especially important in Diplomatic victory. In fact for Culture, Science and Religious victory you can do it peacefully. However if you play on standard setting instead of tricky huge and save/loading every congress just hoping to refresh for an aid request, you need to eliminate them.

By being warmonger will cost you to lose diplomatic favor, however this is not large. It max at -10 but usually -5/turn if you eliminate one by one. When a Civ being eliminated it no longer have grievance against you so you will not be losing much.

However, you gain from the following resources.
1: You gain 200 diplomatic favor by winning the emergency to defend a city.
2: You gain 200 diplomatic favor by winning the emergency to defend a holy city of other religion in religion. (All you need is just to use inquistor to inquist when you capture a holy city)

(On diplo V since you need Mohabodhi you're sure to found a religion. And since it grants you 2 apostles, you'd better launch inquistion)

That sums up to be 400 diplomatic favor per 15 turn. So you have much more diplomatic favor than really being a "diplomat", and , with AIs goes by one by one, your control on World Congress becomes more and more influential.

Also, you may benefit from
Liberation of CS, 100 diplomatic favor and +1 favor per turn. If you go for war you'll get all of this. If you play peacefully, nope. Also you'll be suzeraining more CSs. (If there're only 12 CS and 4 of them being captured by AI and others being placed by an Amani, then how many can you Suzerain if you don't try to eliminate some AIs? Huh?)

So you're winning 400~500 diplomatic favor per 15 turn if you go for war, but only 10 per turn if you have 1,000 tourism as Canada. DP from alliances

Don't be fooled by words. Only diplomatic Victory instead of all types of victories, is a matter of Domination. In culture victory if you eliminate a Civ you lose a source of tourist so you'd better avoid it. In science victory you don't care about it. In religious victory you may even gift cities to other Civs.

Only in diplomatic Civ you need to eliminate others, and it is the most robust way if your victory is not based on playing on Huge and 20+ CSs and pray(or savescum) for multiple aid requests and correct guessing.

 

[lotrmith]

2. Amanitore/Nubia [15]
3. Catherine/France [24]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [25]
6. Cyrus/Persia [2]
8. Eleanor/France [21]
9. Eleanor/England [11]
11. Gandhi/India [20]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [23]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [21]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [17]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [20]
19. Jayavarman/Khmer [17]
20. John Curtain/Australia [22]
21. Kristina/Sweden [27]
22. Kupe/Maori [24]
23. Lautaro/Mapuche [12]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [24]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [26]
26. Montezuma/Aztec [3]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [17]
29. Pedro/Brazil. [17]
30. Pericles/Greece [30]
31. Peter/Russia [21]
32. Philip/Spain [8]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [21]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [21]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [21]
36. Saladin/Arabia [21]
37. Seondeok/Korea [14]
38. Suleiman/Ottomans [19]
40. Tamar/Georgia [26]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [27]
42. Tomyris/Scythia [0] 3 - 0 ELIMINATED A proposed dependency on military emergencies triggering and passing, with the added pressure of completely wiping a civ as fast as possible to remove grievances, and doing so every 15 turns, seems outlandish.
43. Trajan/Rome [20]
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [21] 20 + 1 One of the only Civs with a direct bonus to DF / DV.
46. Wilhemina/Netherlands [14]

I'd love to see a warmonger civ found a religion and somehow get two opposing AIs to flip a religious capital, then go to war and capture that capital in order to inquisit, and somehow repeat this process every 15 turns.

 

[Victoria]

2. Amanitore/Nubia [15]
3. Catherine/France [24]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [25]
6. Cyrus/Persia [2]
8. Eleanor/France [21]
9. Eleanor/England [11]
11. Gandhi/India [20]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [23]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [21]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [17]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [20]
19. Jayavarman/Khmer [14] (17-3) I like playing this civ personally but one of the many that should be auto removed for little military strength and nothing fancy in peace
20. John Curtain/Australia [22]
21. Kristina/Sweden [28] (27+1) +50 favour per GP earned is a lot when you think of how many GP this lady can bring to the table. No need for war.
22. Kupe/Maori [24]
23. Lautaro/Mapuche [12]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [24]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [26]
26. Montezuma/Aztec [3]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [17]
29. Pedro/Brazil. [17]
30. Pericles/Greece [30]
31. Peter/Russia [21]
32. Philip/Spain [8]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [21]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [21]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [21]
36. Saladin/Arabia [21]
37. Seondeok/Korea [14]
38. Suleiman/Ottomans [19]
40. Tamar/Georgia [26]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [27]
43. Trajan/Rome [20]
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [21]
46. Wilhemina/Netherlands [14]

 

[monstercat]

2. Amanitore/Nubia [15]
3. Catherine/France [24]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [25]
6. Cyrus/Persia [ELIMINATED] (2 - 3) Purging warmongers. Aztec district rush makes them better at Diplo Victory than Cyrus.
8. Eleanor/France [21]
9. Eleanor/England [11]
11. Gandhi/India [20]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [23]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [21]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [17]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [20]
19. Jayavarman/Khmer [14]
20. John Curtain/Australia [22]
21. Kristina/Sweden [28]
22. Kupe/Maori [24]
23. Lautaro/Mapuche [12]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [24]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [27] (26 + 1) Once you obtain Suzerainty, extra envoys from levying make it very hard for you to lose it again if you have the money.
26. Montezuma/Aztec [3]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [17]
29. Pedro/Brazil. [17]
30. Pericles/Greece [30]
31. Peter/Russia [21]
32. Philip/Spain [8]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [21]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [21]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [21]
36. Saladin/Arabia [21]
37. Seondeok/Korea [14]
38. Suleiman/Ottomans [19]
40. Tamar/Georgia [26]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [27]
43. Trajan/Rome [20]
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [21]
46. Wilhemina/Netherlands [14]

 

[Francel]

2. Amanitore/Nubia [15]
3. Catherine/France [24]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [25]
8. Eleanor/France [21]
9. Eleanor/England [11]
11. Gandhi/India [20]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [23]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [21]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [17]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [20]
19. Jayavarman/Khmer [14]
20. John Curtain/Australia [22]
21. Kristina/Sweden [28]
22. Kupe/Maori [24]
23. Lautaro/Mapuche [9] (12-3) - Nothing going for them specific to DV; even though they can be tough fighting against, they are weak for the player and optimal play requires opponents to be doing well
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [24]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [28] (27+1) - Extra envoys --> suzerainty syncs well with DV as elaborated above
26. Montezuma/Aztec [3]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [17]
29. Pedro/Brazil. [17]
30. Pericles/Greece [30]
31. Peter/Russia [21]
32. Philip/Spain [8]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [21]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [21]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [21]
36. Saladin/Arabia [21]
37. Seondeok/Korea [14]
38. Suleiman/Ottomans [19]
40. Tamar/Georgia [26]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [27]
43. Trajan/Rome [20]
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [21]
46. Wilhemina/Netherlands [14]

 

[Loderingo]

2. Amanitore/Nubia [15]
3. Catherine/France [24]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [25]
8. Eleanor/France [21]
9. Eleanor/England [8] 11-3 major polluter. Should be next to go.
11. Gandhi/India [20]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [23]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [21]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [17]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [20]
19. Jayavarman/Khmer [14]
20. John Curtain/Australia [22]
21. Kristina/Sweden [28]
22. Kupe/Maori [24]
23. Lautaro/Mapuche [9]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [24]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [28]
26. Montezuma/Aztec [3]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [17]
29. Pedro/Brazil. [17]
30. Pericles/Greece [30]
31. Peter/Russia [21]
32. Philip/Spain [8]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [21]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [21]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [21]
36. Saladin/Arabia [21]
37. Seondeok/Korea [14]
38. Suleiman/Ottomans [19]
40. Tamar/Georgia [26]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [27]
43. Trajan/Rome [20]
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [22] 21+1 - Extra diplo favour from aid requests/competitions is always useful.
46. Wilhemina/Netherlands [14]

 

[leandrombraz]

2. Amanitore/Nubia [15]
3. Catherine/France [24]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [25]
8. Eleanor/France [21]
9. Eleanor/England [8]
11. Gandhi/India [20]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [23]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [22] (21+1) - Poor man's Greece as far as Diplo goes but still good. You also get envoys, so the main advantage is there. You also get the wildcard slot. You just won't be making as much culture as Pericles;
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [17]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [20]
19. Jayavarman/Khmer [11] (14-3) - I agree that Khmer have nothing going for them. They are strong only for religious;
20. John Curtain/Australia [22]
21. Kristina/Sweden [28]
22. Kupe/Maori [24]
23. Lautaro/Mapuche [9]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [24]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [28]
26. Montezuma/Aztec [3]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [17]
29. Pedro/Brazil. [17]
30. Pericles/Greece [30]
31. Peter/Russia [21]
32. Philip/Spain [8]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [21]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [21]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [21]
36. Saladin/Arabia [21]
37. Seondeok/Korea [14]
38. Suleiman/Ottomans [19]
40. Tamar/Georgia [26]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [27]
43. Trajan/Rome [20]
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [22]
46. Wilhemina/Netherlands [14]

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Domination is especially important to cheese Diplomatic victory.

FTFY. I get it, the congress is one of the few things where the AI can compete toe to toe with the player, it can be scary for players that are used with exploiting the AI weaknesses. You need to eliminate the AI or, god forbid, they might actually have a chance to win the "fight" and offer some challenge to the player, who is used with steamrolling his way to victory. You gotta eliminate them, you can't risk having an actual opponent with a chance to take you down.

However if you play on standard setting instead of tricky huge and save/loading every congress just hoping to refresh for an aid request, you need to eliminate them.

That doesn't make any sense.

Lily likes to deal in extremes, to make his arguments look better than they actually are. It's always best or worst case scenarios, never the real experience you have playing the game. The AI won't all unlock Amani's last ability and you have an Amani yourself. The AI hoard envoys and can't be as effective as the player on using quests, policies, spies, religions and Civ abilities to suzerain City-States. The AI will conquer City-States but that's half the fun in a Diplomatic victory, to go on liberation campaigns and set free every CS, which also give you envoys and favors. Hungary is specially good for that since you have a mercenary army spread all over the map, there's no need to move units for long distances. Lily seems to forget that but you can liberate City-States and fight in protectorate wars without eliminating anyone or getting any grievances if you do good use of Casus Belli and Emergencies. You gonna get liberation Favors just the same.
You gonna have to fight for those City-States. It's almost like the point of a game is to offer problems for the player to solve, imagine that. Saying that you need to eliminate other AIs to suzerain City-states is nonsensical. Warmongering is OP, as I said before, so it might make things easier but it isn't necessary, unless you can't really take a challenge and the only way you ever play is by abusing OP mechanics and exploiting the AI while you steamroll to victory. Leaving the AI alive and kicking to have some competition might be too much for some players.

Religious emergency can be triggered without conquest. It cost more faith than an inquisitor but nothing that you can't handle. Be careful with grievances though. Something that you need to keep in mind when dealing with emergencies in a Diplo victory is that the AI might vote against it, so there's no guarantee that you will actually trigger one. You might have the same problem with City-State emergencies, so that 100 favors might not come clean, you might even end up paying more favors to trigger it than you will get in the emergency. If you're not save scumming, the only way to guarantee this emergency is by investing at least one more vote than the AI that captured the CS can pay for. You can assume that other Civs that had envoys on that CS will vote favorably with at least one vote and invest less favors. Again, Lily is dealing in extremes and opportunistically forgetting about nuances that doesn't fit the narrative. You gotta make that strategy looks good! Ironically, Canada gets double favors from emergencies, so they are better suited to guarantee a CS emergency and still make a profit.

You might be able to trigger more military emergencies being aggressive but that still a possibility if you keep all Civs alive and avoid friendships. Same for betrayal emergencies. Granted, it isn't common and you can't rely on that. You definitely won't trigger one every 15 turns, if at all. You also get less favors if you're not the target and might need to invest some favors to trigger it, same as CS emergencies.

So you're winning 400~500 diplomatic favor per 15 turn if you go for war, but only 10 per turn if you have 1,000 tourism as Canada. DP from alliances

Best case scenario. Lily's strategies need to come with a warning similar to food marketing: "This strategies are for illustrative purposes only and may differ from the actual experience".

You CAN eliminate others in a Diplo victory if you want to take the easy route and cheese the victory, you don't need to. This goes back to my points on warmongering. This also isn't a binary choice, you either eliminate Civs or you don't. Eliminating every Civ is overkill and unnecessary but if a players wants, he can carefully eliminate some Civs, avoiding grievances as much as possible, and still play diplomatic... diplomatically... to a point. This is a good plan B, if things aren't going your way (you lost some resolutions). If you're playing on standard, eliminating just one or two Civs will be specially effective compared to huge, you don't need to go all the way and leave only one Civ alive, that strategy you can leave for players who rely on steamrolling to accomplish anything.

Criticism for playing with 20 CS (24 actually. I was looking to have some fun playing as Hungary, using my mercenary army to liberate City-States, and fun I had. Shame: zero) is funny coming from someone who thinks it's necessary to eliminate everyone to win a Diplo victory, mostly on standard, where you have less Civs voting and less Civs to eliminate. Considering how the cost of votes scale, More Civs have way more impact than more City-States, that if you leave them alive and not even that you're doing. As far as Diplo victory goes, Huge is hard mode.

Correct guessing isn't guessing if you know what the AI will vote for since it's consistent. I won't go through that again, there's enough written in other threads. Same for Aid Requests. I'll just add that even though assuming you won't get an Aid request is a good way to discuss strategies (assume the worst), it's part of a diplo victory and not that unlikely to happen. You can't just ignore that it's a factor.

 

[Weraptor]

Sorry for being late. I will return to my usual schedule tomorrow.

2. Amanitore/Nubia [15]
3. Catherine/France [24]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [25]
8. Eleanor/France [21]
9. Eleanor/England [8]
11. Gandhi/India [20]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [23]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [22]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [17]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [20]
19. Jayavarman/Khmer [11]
20. John Curtain/Australia [22]
21. Kristina/Sweden [29] (28+1) Probably the best favor-hording civ. This or America.
22. Kupe/Maori [24]
23. Lautaro/Mapuche [9]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [24]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [28]
26. Montezuma/Aztec [3]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [17]
29. Pedro/Brazil. [17]
30. Pericles/Greece [30]
31. Peter/Russia [21]
32. Philip/Spain [5] (8-3) Nothing says diplomatic as neatly as a pack of conquistadors converting cities upon conquest.
33. Poundmaker/Cree [21]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [21]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [21]
36. Saladin/Arabia [21]
37. Seondeok/Korea [14]
38. Suleiman/Ottomans [19]
40. Tamar/Georgia [26]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [27]
43. Trajan/Rome [20]
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [22]
46. Wilhemina/Netherlands [14]

 

[bengalryan9]

2. Amanitore/Nubia [15]
3. Catherine/France [24]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [25]
8. Eleanor/France [21]
9. Eleanor/England [8]
11. Gandhi/India [20]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [23]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [22]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [17]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [20]
19. Jayavarman/Khmer [11]
20. John Curtain/Australia [22]
21. Kristina/Sweden [29]
22. Kupe/Maori [24]
23. Lautaro/Mapuche [9]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [24]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [28]
26. Montezuma/Aztec [eliminated] (3-3) Because the whole "diplomacy is hard, I'll just conquer everything and sit around for a few hours until I get credit for a diplomatic victory" thing is pretty lame IMO.
28. Pachacuti/Inca [17]
29. Pedro/Brazil. [17]
30. Pericles/Greece [30]
31. Peter/Russia [21]
32. Philip/Spain [5]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [21]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [21]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [21]
36. Saladin/Arabia [21]
37. Seondeok/Korea [14]
38. Suleiman/Ottomans [19]
40. Tamar/Georgia [26]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [27]
43. Trajan/Rome [20]
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [23] Yes, because clearly we should be voting down one of the only civs with a bonus to diplomacy already. Come on. Who cares about the piddling amount of favor you get from tourism? It's the double favor you get from emergencies that you want and will most benefit from.
46. Wilhemina/Netherlands [14]

 

[Datgingah]

2. Amanitore/Nubia [15]
3. Catherine/France [24]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [25]
8. Eleanor/France [21]
9. Eleanor/England [8]
11. Gandhi/India [20]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [23]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [22]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [17]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [20]
19. Jayavarman/Khmer [11]
20. John Curtain/Australia [22]
21. Kristina/Sweden [29]
22. Kupe/Maori [24]
23. Lautaro/Mapuche [9]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [24]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [28]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [14] (17-3) No real bonuses available for this civ to help with diplo. Not better at wonders, science, culture, gold, city states, religion, etc.
29. Pedro/Brazil. [17]
30. Pericles/Greece [30]
31. Peter/Russia [21]
32. Philip/Spain [5]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [21]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [21]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [21]
36. Saladin/Arabia [21]
37. Seondeok/Korea [14]
38. Suleiman/Ottomans [19]
40. Tamar/Georgia [26]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [28] (27+1) Diplo favor early on that scales throughout the game? Very strong for voting.
43. Trajan/Rome [20]
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [23]
46. Wilhemina/Netherlands [14]

 

[Ziad]

2. Amanitore/Nubia [15]
3. Catherine/France [24]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [25]
8. Eleanor/France [21]
9. Eleanor/England [8]
10. Dido/Phoenicia[22]
11. Gandhi/India [20]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [23]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [22]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [17]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [20]
19. Jayavarman/Khmer [11]
20. John Curtain/Australia [22]
21. Kristina/Sweden [29]
22. Kupe/Maori [24]
23. Lautaro/Mapuche [9]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [24]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [28]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [14]
29. Pedro/Brazil. [17]
30. Pericles/Greece [30]
31. Peter/Russia [21]
32. Philip/Spain [5]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [21]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [21]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [21]
36. Saladin/Arabia [21]
37. Seondeok/Korea [14]
38. Suleiman/Ottomans [19]
40. Tamar/Georgia [26]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [28]
43. Trajan/Rome [20]
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [23]
46. Wilhemina/Netherlands [14]

Someone had removed Dido.

 

[Datgingah]

Dido should be at 24, as that’s where it was in the last post it can be seen (weraptors on the previous page).

 

[NullNullError]

2. Amanitore/Nubia [15]
3. Catherine/France [24]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [25]
8. Eleanor/France [22]21+1 Waging war without accumulating grievances is really strong. She also gets strongly encouraged to create mass culture.
9. Eleanor/England [5]8-3 Polluting the world is just too damaging for the diplomatic favor. Her lacking leader ability isn't gonna turn this arround.
10. Dido/Phoenicia[24]22+2
11. Gandhi/India [20]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [23]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [22]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [17]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [20]
19. Jayavarman/Khmer [11]
20. John Curtain/Australia [22]
21. Kristina/Sweden [29]
22. Kupe/Maori [24]
23. Lautaro/Mapuche [9]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [24]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [28]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [14]
29. Pedro/Brazil. [17]
30. Pericles/Greece [30]
31. Peter/Russia [21]
32. Philip/Spain [5]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [21]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [21]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [21]
36. Saladin/Arabia [21]
37. Seondeok/Korea [14]
38. Suleiman/Ottomans [19]
40. Tamar/Georgia [26]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [28]
43. Trajan/Rome [20]
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [23]
46. Wilhemina/Netherlands [14]

 

[Weraptor]

2. Amanitore/Nubia [15]
3. Catherine/France [24]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [25]
8. Eleanor/France [22]
9. Eleanor/England [5]
10. Dido/Phoenicia[24]
11. Gandhi/India [20]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [23]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [22]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [17]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [20]
19. Jayavarman/Khmer [11]
20. John Curtain/Australia [22]
21. Kristina/Sweden [29]
22. Kupe/Maori [24]
23. Lautaro/Mapuche [9]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [24]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [28]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [14]
29. Pedro/Brazil. [17]
30. Pericles/Greece [30]
31. Peter/Russia [21]
32. Philip/Spain [5]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [21]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [21]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [21]
36. Saladin/Arabia [21]
37. Seondeok/Korea [15] (14+1) Science does help a bit. Can also get some culture realiably.
38. Suleiman/Ottomans [19]
40. Tamar/Georgia [26]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [28]
43. Trajan/Rome [17] (20-3) Darkness be purged
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [23]
46. Wilhemina/Netherlands [14]

 

[lotrmith]

2. Amanitore/Nubia [15]
3. Catherine/France [24]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [25]
8. Eleanor/France [22]
9. Eleanor/England [5]
10. Dido/Phoenicia[24]
11. Gandhi/India [17] 20 - 3 No particular advantage that I can see.
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [23]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [22]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [17]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [20]
19. Jayavarman/Khmer [11]
20. John Curtain/Australia [22]
21. Kristina/Sweden [30] 29 + 1 Very strong for DF which is the determining factor for me to win the most Congress votes the fastest.
22. Kupe/Maori [24]
23. Lautaro/Mapuche [9]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [24]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [28]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [14]
29. Pedro/Brazil. [17]
30. Pericles/Greece [30]
31. Peter/Russia [21]
32. Philip/Spain [5]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [21]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [21]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [21]
36. Saladin/Arabia [21]
37. Seondeok/Korea [15]
38. Suleiman/Ottomans [19]
40. Tamar/Georgia [26]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [28]
43. Trajan/Rome [17]
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [23]
46. Wilhemina/Netherlands [14]

 

[Kmart_Elvis]

2. Amanitore/Nubia [15]
3. Catherine/France [24]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [25]
8. Eleanor/France [22]
9. Eleanor/England [2] (5-3) yes, that pollution hits hard. You want to be an industrial super power, but that conflicts with DF.
10. Dido/Phoenicia[24]
11. Gandhi/India [17]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [23]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [22]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [17]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [20]
19. Jayavarman/Khmer [11]
20. John Curtain/Australia [22]
21. Kristina/Sweden [30]
22. Kupe/Maori [24]
23. Lautaro/Mapuche [9]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [24]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [28]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [14]
29. Pedro/Brazil. [17]
30. Pericles/Greece [30]
31. Peter/Russia [21]
32. Philip/Spain [5]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [21]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [21]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [21]
36. Saladin/Arabia [21]
37. Seondeok/Korea [15]
38. Suleiman/Ottomans [19]
40. Tamar/Georgia [26]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [28]
43. Trajan/Rome [18] (17+1) Actually pretty decent. I won my first diplomatic victory using Rome! Fast culture and pouring in gold was what helped me.
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [23]
46. Wilhemina/Netherlands [14]

 

[monstercat]

2. Amanitore/Nubia [15]
3. Catherine/France [24]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [25]
8. Eleanor/France [22]
9. Eleanor/England [2]
10. Dido/Phoenicia [24]
11. Gandhi/India [17]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [23]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [22]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [17]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [20]
19. Jayavarman/Khmer [11]
20. John Curtain/Australia [22]
21. Kristina/Sweden [31] (30 + 1) Ultimately, Favour decides the Congress, and Diplo Victory follows. Sweden can reliable gather more Favour directly than nearly every other civ here.
22. Kupe/Maori [24]
23. Lautaro/Mapuche [6] (9 - 3) If we're eliminating all warmongers, then warmongers that aren't even good should definitely be gone by now.
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [24]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [28]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [14]
29. Pedro/Brazil. [17]
30. Pericles/Greece [30]
31. Peter/Russia [21]
32. Philip/Spain [5]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [21]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [21]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [21]
36. Saladin/Arabia [21]
37. Seondeok/Korea [15]
38. Suleiman/Ottomans [19]
40. Tamar/Georgia [26]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [28]
43. Trajan/Rome [18]
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [23]
46. Wilhemina/Netherlands [14]