Disability Claims Alarmingly Up for Subset of Recipients of Taxpayer Dollars

[kochman]

I think the true nature of two particular posters has been made quite clear in this thread...

 

[Formaldehyde]

There has been much "true nature" which has been exposed by this thread and many others. But it certainly isn't limited to two people.

So the answer is that these matters should never be discussed, except by Republicans in Congress before they again slash the budget for disabled veterans, as well as all the other programs to help others in need?

 

[JollyRoger]

I think the true nature of two particular posters has been made quite clear in this thread...

Yeah, I was shocked at a couple of posters being exposed in their distrust for right wing ideals.

 

[MobBoss]

That sounds about right for what extremely senior clerical help / office managers top out at. Then I'm sure you won't actually need any disability compensation from the military if you are so ideally suited as a candidate.

Yeah, its about double what most make with a liberal arts degree, I admit. But hey, its a living.

Rest assured i'm going to apply for my benefits. Unlike many that simply sponge off the government, I earned mine. I bet it tears you up to think i'ma going to get your tax dollars dont it? Well, dont fret, I promise to buy the convertible camaro.

And many of them have no disability benefits at all, much less any others.

And many of them do. See how that works?

It is really only those who work for major companies. And even then, most disability benefits only last a matter of weeks. Then they frequently get fired if they cannot return to work and do exactly the same job as before.

Then, as you mentioned earlier, maybe they should have chosen their career better. I did, and I plan on enjoying the benefits I earned via my service.

You really expect anything but hypocrisy from many Republicans in these matters? Even GWB sliced veterans benefits while in office, even when we were fighting two "wars".

Veterans Benefits Cut

Nice current article...its only 8 years old. Btw, was the measure ever passed into law? Your article only says the House of Representatives passed it. Did it also pass the Senate and GWB sign it into law? Proof please prior to making the allegation that GWB 'sliced' veterans benefits or at least link an article that actually indicates that.

Btw, you didnt mention what you did for employment. Is it because you're on the dole from the government?

If you guys are this pissed over soldiers actually getting disability, then perhaps you should look up what we get for applying for vocational rehab or what the Post 9/11 GI bill offers. Your collective heads would probably explode.

 

[Farm Boy]

Yeah, its about double what most make with a liberal arts degree, I admit. But hey, its a living.

Rest assured i'm going to apply for my benefits. Unlike many that simply sponge off the government, I earned mine. I bet it tears you up to think i'ma going to get your tax dollars dont it? Well, dont fret, I promise to buy the convertible camaro.

Then, as you mentioned earlier, maybe they should have chosen their career better. I did, and I plan on enjoying the benefits I earned via my service.

Btw, you didnt mention what you did for employment. Is it because you're on the dole from the government?

If you guys are this pissed over soldiers actually getting disability, then perhaps you should look up what we get for applying for vocational rehab or what the Post 9/11 GI bill offers. Your collective heads would probably explode.

Not sure if intended, but the sense of self-righteousness here is suffocating. You are doing my friends collecting their service benefits no favors by this comparison.

 

[MobBoss]

Not sure if intended, but the sense of self-righteousness here is suffocating. You are doing my friends collecting their service benefits no favors by this comparison.

Yeah, I know i've regressed to the level of my opposition. But sometimes when the monkeys fling poo at you, it feels good to fling it back.

 

[JollyRoger]

The government is incredibly inefficient...

Do you guys agree or disagree with this?

 

[Farm Boy]

Yeah, I know i've regressed to the level of my opposition. But sometimes when the monkeys fling poo at you, it feels good to fling it back.

The problem is more in that if the original point of your rhetorical opponent is along the lines of: conservatives are hypocritical elitists that advocate cutting off social support for those whom they don't like while holding government support as a sacred cow for people they do like...

 

[Formaldehyde]

The problem is more in that if the original point of your rhetorical opponent is along the lines of: conservatives are hypocritical elitists that advocate cutting off social support for those whom they don't like while holding government support as a sacred cow for people they do like...

There are always bound to be those who take advantage of the system while complaining about anybody else who does. That is basically the Republican Party motto. What is ironic is that Republicans themselves are frequently their own victims. Take veterans, for instance.

 

[Farm Boy]

There are always bound to be those who take advantage of the system while complaining about anybody else who does. That is basically the Republican Party motto. What is ironic is that Republicans themselves are frequently their own victims.

The same of Democrats. The Democratic Party claims(roughly) to stand for "equal opportunity for all with special privileges for none" as well and this is patently not true. The Democratic Party is rife with special interests same as the Republicans.

So is, how was it put, "poo flinging" really the goal here?

 

[MobBoss]

The problem is more in that if the original point of your rhetorical opponent is along the lines of: conservatives are hypocritical elitists that advocate cutting off social support for those whom they don't like while holding government support as a sacred cow for people they do like...

Well, the answer to that is simple. Not all government programs are equal. Some are indeed more necessary or deserving of others. If one considers that to be a truth (which it is) then the label of hypocrite kind of fails on first inspection.

 

[woody60707]

Mobby, what JR is doing isn't about disabled vets. It's about the lack of social concern towards everyone else. If people were this upset about social spending cuts to the poor, the world might be a slightly better place.

Yea, I get that. My problem is he is doing it at the expense people who have been killed or permanently disable. And you can say the repubs do it too, but that's an argument a 6yr would make.

 

[Flying Pig]

JR may be annoying and often say some quite provocative things, but unfortunately he does generally have a point.

 

[JollyRoger]

Well, the answer to that is simple. Not all government programs are equal. Some are indeed more necessary or deserving of others. If one considers that to be a truth (which it is) then the label of hypocrite kind of fails on first inspection.

So the first line of inquiry is whether the government program is standing on two legs or four legs?

 

[MobBoss]

JR may be annoying and often say some quite provocative things, but unfortunately he does generally have a point.

Dont you think he could make his point without calling disabled veterans 'deadbeats'?

 

[JollyRoger]

Dont you think he could make his point without calling disabled veterans 'deadbeats'?

I did.

 

[aelf]

When the poor do as much for this nation as our veterans have, then i'll climb on board.

If it's okay to generalise all poor people as not having anything worthwhile to contribute to society, then I'm quite happy to call veterans deadbeats as some of them would certainly be.

I think the true nature of two particular posters has been made quite clear in this thread...

Indeed.

 

[Formaldehyde]

The same of Democrats. The Democratic Party claims(roughly) to stand for "equal opportunity for all with special privileges for none" as well and this is patently not true. The Democratic Party is rife with special interests same as the Republicans.

I never claimed they weren't. But they don't hold a candle to the rampant hypocrisy of the Republican Party that got us into a completely bogus "war", while simultaneously cutting benefits to veterans and everybody else. And at the same time they were giving themselves a tax break while increasing government subsidies to businesses owned by fellow Republicans.

 

[Farm Boy]

I never claimed they weren't. But they don't hold a candle to the rampant hypocrisy of the Republican Party that got us into a completely bogus "war", while simultaneously cutting benefits to veterans and everybody else. And at the same time they were giving themselves a tax break while increasing government subsidies to businesses owned by fellow Republicans.

You can take sides in this partisan debacle if it helps you sleep better at night. Democrats have gotten us into plenty of interventionist violence. They have assassinated plenty of people abroad. Neither party is willing to end the drug "war." Neither party is willing to simplify the tax code. Perhaps if you lived in Illinois you would be a little more cynical regarding how preferable the Democrats are to the Republicans.

Progress is not to be made engaging in the political fight as currently structured.

But hey - threads based around a cleverly constructed rhetorical trap are fun, at least we can smile in amusement!

 

[FriendlyFire]

Actually, I dont remember any thread here where any conservative poster defended such accusations. I was wondering if you did. Apparently you dont either.

Uhhh no offense Mobboss I'll just dig up the one thread then, you can refresh your memory a bit.
Was tempted to make a joke about certain old age but on second thought might want to get the noggin checked up as well.

EDIT: Everyone please resist making light of republicans lack of memory of the last eight years of the Bush administration.
Mobboss post are awe inspiring. :/

MobBoss
Feb 25, 2006, 01:52 AM
Uhh...no. Look at the context in which she said it:There is absolutely no question what she meant. And even her fellow Republicans booed her out of the House because of it. It was completely and utterly unacceptable.

Little Raven, its still a blanket statement regardless. Inappropriate? Yes. But no one said, "John Murtha, you are a coward" or any such thing.

From what you cut and paste, the "message" to Murtha was a reminder of some Marine Corps believe, not a declaration that Murtha himself was a coward.

Take the statement for what it says...not what you want it to say. The way I look at such statements I think in my mind..."would it hold up in court?" And I dont think legally it meets the definition of someone calling another person a coward.

Feb 25, 2006, 06:16 AM
No one called him a coward or a traitor...you need to check your facts.

Here are a few; you don't always have to use the words "coward" or "traitor" to say that someone is one.

Conservative Commentator Bob Newman, Nov 17 2005: "The traitor, Democrat Rep. John P. Murtha agrees 100% with Osan bin Laden."

Conservative Commentator Rush Limbaugh, Dec 02, 2005: "He's [John Murtha] the biggest morale booster - that - that the enemy has in Iraq."

Scott McClellan, White House Spokesman, Nov 16, 2005: "[Murtha's] position is a surrender to the terrorists."

Rep. Jean Schmidt, Nov 23, 2005: "I never meant to attack Congressman Murtha personally." Which of course is an admission that she did.

Rep. Jean Schmidt Nov 25, 2005, "I should have rephrased the "coward" comment." This is an admission that she was in fact calling Murtha a coward.

Conservative Commentator Ann Coulter, Nov 24, 2005: "It is simply a fact the Democrats like Murtha are encouraging the Iraqi insurgents...these people are not only traitors, they are gutless traitors."

Sorry, just becuase it was directly after Murthas doenst mean it mentioned him by name.......it didnt.

It didnt ?

"He asked me to send Congress a message: Stay the course. He also asked me to send Congressman Murtha a message - that cowards cut and run, Marines never do," said Schmidt, of Miami Township. "Danny and the rest of America and the world want the assurance from this body that we will see this through."

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