Discussion: Should the Vikings be replaced by Scandinavian civs, or add to them?

[Gagonite]

If we get rid of the vikings in order to make room for various civs from the same general area, then I can use that same argument for saying get rid of the native american civilization for the various tribes that dominated NA. And wasn't the Aztec Empire technically made up of 3+ different nations? Hm..?

The civilization names they use in Civ 4 are simplified versions of various nationalities (or people) that are well known in history, even if they're well known inaccurately. The creators of the game didn't want to exclude certain nationalities from a region (northern Europe in the Viking's case) so they essentially clumped them up together under one flag.

Not only that, but the various northern Europe nations / peoples all included viking-like culture at times, so having multiple nations from that same area would result in extremely similar civilizations in-game. Its better for gameplay to just clump those similar nations together. Same exact thing they did for the Native Americans.

This is why we have mods, so players can make extremely historically accurate mods if they feel the need to.

(I still would like a Scottish Civilization myself, since they're distinct enough from the English ;P )

 

[Sveon]

i would suggest taking a look at this thread which sums up the different point of views and reasonings quite well

I would suggest not to, unless you want to waste ten minutes on ramblings about a very shady history of scandinavia. You see modern day danes, swedes, norwegians love to bicker on about who was the strongest nation in a time where no nations existed in these parts. There were "Kings" and Jarls and Chieftains and mighty men of reputation you could swear allegiance to but most common men did their damndes not to.

I'm Swedish and I voted "never" in lack of a better option. What I meant is feel free to do your mod but really Vikings is fine. It's a well known phrase and Ragnar is a great legend. It's true "going viking" is actually a verb and berserkers were mythical and few and far between, as were horned helmets. But this is a game folks. I would much rather play the Vikings than the Danes, Norweigian or Swedish. In fact I dont think either of them merit a place in the game but combined as Vikings they kinda do. Mainly because Vikings are cool. Also, the "older" the civilisation is the more it appeals to me. Id rather play Celts than HRE and rather HRE than France/Germany. Maybe thats just me.

 

[MaximumPain]

Keep the Vikings for sure they are an iconic civ and a good representation of the early Scandinavians IMO. I would like to see a Swedish Civ with appropriate leaders and UUs/UBs. Another Norse Civ could be the Normans http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normans who were desended from Viking conquerors who settled in Normandy. William the conqueror would be a neat leader Agg for their military prowess and spiritual for their adaptability.

 

[kochman]

Keep the Vikings for sure they are an iconic civ and a good representation of the early Scandinavians IMO. I would like to see a Swedish Civ with appropriate leaders and UUs/UBs. Another Norse Civ could be the Normans http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normans who were desended from Viking conquerors who settled in Normandy. William the conqueror would be a neat leader Agg for their military prowess and spiritual for their adaptability.

I created a Norman civ, but the ones who went to Sicily rather than those who went to England... I find them so much more fascinating, and I love Sicily.
Here it is for download.
http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=13340

 

[MaximumPain]

I created a Norman civ, but the ones who went to Sicily rather than those who went to England... I find them so much more fascinating, and I love Sicily.
Here it is for download.
http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=13340

Cool thanks I may have to check them out.

 

[Jaroth]

Wow, I was contemplating this very thing recently for my mod.

Native Americans --> Sioux
Holy Roman Empire --> Austria (maybe)

Vikings --> Norse

Though, what would be the "short description" within the XML of the Norse Empire (or Nordic Empire)?

Example:

American Empire
America
American

French Empire
France
French

Norse Empire
Norse <---??
Norse

 

[DroopyTofu]

Norsenburg.

 

[mica8911]

Where does Willem play in all of this ?