Do capitalism and identity politics support one another?

[inthesomeday]

The courts fail every single day, luiz. Lexicus even specifically cited the pardoning of Joe Arpaio. Furthermore, killer cops get off completely freely all the time. I mean, twentieth century fascist courts behaved "legally" as well, but the qualm we have with them is that they're oppressive and immoral, two words I would apply easily to the courts in the US.

 

[luiz]

Did courts not fail in the past in the US? Were cops nicer in the past in the US? So unless your argument is that the US has always been a fascist state, I don't think it holds much water.

 

[inthesomeday]

I'd say that the police have and always will be a fascist organization, but the police hardly existed before the 19th century. Back before the Civil War they called them overseers, and they were mostly private security.

 

[Tahuti]

Did courts not fail in the past in the US? Were cops nicer in the past in the US? So unless your argument is that the US has always been a fascist state, I don't think it holds much water.

Fascism is the result of radicalisation of segments from the middle class, augmented with the support of proletarians swayed away from the left through nationalism. While capitalist, the state is also the dominant economic actor by means of regulation and spending, acting like a massive corporation to whom people are religiously devoted to.

That's the definition of the word Fascism, and not the insult.

 

[Lexicus]

Did courts not fail in the past in the US? Were cops nicer in the past in the US? So unless your argument is that the US has always been a fascist state, I don't think it holds much water.

The US has always had elements of fascism. Until the 1960s much of the country was a de facto totalitarian police state. Trump and his voters more or less openly wish to return the US to this stage of its development.

 

[Hygro]

I'm still seeing Bush 2.0 2.0... I'm not worried but perhaps it is the acted upon anxieties of the opposition that keeps the would be fascists in check. These are the things I wonder.

 

[inthesomeday]

Bush's presidency yielded at least two of the bloodiest and most destructive wars America has ever inflicted upon the world. It also put into action one of the most violative Acts the US Government has ever been allowed. These two facts are only the most non-controversial examples of blatantly fascist policy in Bush's presidency, compounded by the fact that the US elected the other guy in the first place.

 

[plarq]

The US has always had elements of fascism. Until the 1960s much of the country was a de facto totalitarian police state. Trump and his voters more or less openly wish to return the US to this stage of its development.

Decentralized fascistic organization such as KKK and their mob lynching only paved a way to fascist federal government, which nobody walked to. Due to the decentralized nature, any fascist movement who wants to build a centralized fascist state in US would doom to fail. Let fascists run their show in many parts of US.

 

[Hygro]

Bush's presidency yielded at least of the bloodiest and most destructive wars America has ever inflicted upon the world. It also put into action one of the most violative Acts the US Government has ever been allowed. These two facts are only the most non-controversial examples of blatantly fascist policy in Bush's presidency, compounded by the fact that the US elected the other guy in the first place.

I am quite concerned America is going to unleash war again.

 

[inthesomeday]

Me too. The DPRK rhetoric is ramping up but it seems more likely that interventionism in Syria will be the next excuse.

 

[Tahuti]

Me too. The DPRK rhetoric is ramping up but it seems more likely that interventionism in Syria will be the next excuse.

I seriously hope the U.S. and Russia are not stupid enough to go to war over that.

 

[Cutlass]

Move towards fascism? Do you guys really believe in what you write?

No, I think a lot of people have a fascist attitude (including people who call themselves Antifa). And they suck. But they ain't taking over.

Fascists currently have the US president and vice president. 3 or 4 Supreme Court justices. Some 300 members of Congress. 20+ state governors. 1000s of state and local elected officials. And that doesn't even count all the employees. It is the single strongest political force in the US today.

Compare that to the 'far left' that you are always worried about. 0 elected federal officials in the past half century.