cgannon64
BOB DYLAN'S ROCKIN OUT!
@ G-Man: Are there any private schools like the ones I described in America? Or do you only have those test-prep schools?
Do teachers have it easy?
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G-Man
A One Man's War
I think there are some private schools but they're very rare. There's a law that ensures every student can get free education and there are many kinds of schools (there's the regular schools system and seperate school systems for religious jews and muslims).
The test prep institutions are far bigger. Most of them are networks with several posts in major cities.
The test prep institutions are far bigger. Most of them are networks with several posts in major cities.
Some teachers are underpaid, others are overpaid. While the job might say "30$ an hour", some teachers work for 10 or more hours a day, while others just try to stay awake through their 6 hours and then go back to sleep. Unfortunatly, there is no easy way to tell the difference if your not a student of the teacher.
thedirk
Master of Stealth
I'm not too familiar with the exact situation in the USA which is where the original article cited is from. But in Canada teachers are generally fairly paid IMHO. What they lack more than pay is respect, from parents and from students.
Jorge
Yo mismo
In Spain they are fairly paid (a little bit more than the average salary, that's OK).
samildanach
Necrophile
Do teachers have it easy? I don't know. But they sure are easy!
Miss Jones....ahhhhh.......taught me about calculas........and other things
Miss Jones....ahhhhh.......taught me about calculas........and other things
TrailblazingScot
I was kittenOFchaos
Hmm...
At the moment I have a place in Teacher Training from this September...I might also have an offer for Police Training if all goes well. I have a choice to make between the two professions...and you are telling me Teaching isn't easy, even with all those lovely holidays and 2 days off a week...god-damn it!
Plus if I were to steal some kids to bring up I wouldn't have close to the amount of childcare costs if I was a teacher as compared to most people and in Britain you get some nice introductory bribes into teaching
Learn or burn!
At the moment I have a place in Teacher Training from this September...I might also have an offer for Police Training if all goes well. I have a choice to make between the two professions...and you are telling me Teaching isn't easy, even with all those lovely holidays and 2 days off a week...god-damn it!
Plus if I were to steal some kids to bring up I wouldn't have close to the amount of childcare costs if I was a teacher as compared to most people and in Britain you get some nice introductory bribes into teaching
Learn or burn! Cpt. Cynical
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All I know is that here in Illinois, teachers get a 100% (or is it 50%?) pay increase their last year of teaching. Once they retire, they get 84% or thereabouts of their last year's salary. I think this applies for most of the state except for Cook County (Chicago). Cook County should be a whole other state, IMHO.
Considering they get, on average, 40K for 9 months of work, while many others get 40K for 12 months of work, I can feel only a little sympathy for them. Teachers in the collar counties (the suburbs of Chicago) get around 100K a year or more, though cost of living there is higher. They have strong unions, as their were succesful strikes all over northern Illinois in the last couple years. Disruptive kids, while a problem, are essentially disgruntled co-workers, which exist in any job.
I think the main drawback of being a public school teacher is dealing with the school's administration. When my parents went to high school X in the 1960s here in Illinois, there were 800 students enrolled, and my parents were in the largest class the school ever had. Back then, the school had 20 classrooms and two administrators. Since then, enrollment has dropped to 600. Now there are 30 classrooms and 4 or 5 administrators, each with a handsome salary, much more than the teachers. A whole hallway, equivalent to four classrooms, is now air-conditioned office space for the administration. On average, these admins are out of touch and don't care about the teachers OR the kids. Many of these admins were teachers at one point, so go figure. I don't even know what these people do.
Considering they get, on average, 40K for 9 months of work, while many others get 40K for 12 months of work, I can feel only a little sympathy for them. Teachers in the collar counties (the suburbs of Chicago) get around 100K a year or more, though cost of living there is higher. They have strong unions, as their were succesful strikes all over northern Illinois in the last couple years. Disruptive kids, while a problem, are essentially disgruntled co-workers, which exist in any job.
I think the main drawback of being a public school teacher is dealing with the school's administration. When my parents went to high school X in the 1960s here in Illinois, there were 800 students enrolled, and my parents were in the largest class the school ever had. Back then, the school had 20 classrooms and two administrators. Since then, enrollment has dropped to 600. Now there are 30 classrooms and 4 or 5 administrators, each with a handsome salary, much more than the teachers. A whole hallway, equivalent to four classrooms, is now air-conditioned office space for the administration. On average, these admins are out of touch and don't care about the teachers OR the kids. Many of these admins were teachers at one point, so go figure. I don't even know what these people do.
Ohwell
Deity
Something I'm also fed up with is the utter inneficiency of the school system. There are many jobs which can be trimmed, namely most of the "coordinators", "deputys", "assistants", and "assistant deputy coordinators". These guys do nothing but drink coffee all day, and maybe fill out a sheet or something. The principals and other sub-Superintendents can do this work, as they don't have much to do either. They are the ones that have it easy.
This extra money can be used to help the students by buying better books, science materials, textbooks, and then, if there is some left over, save it for future renovation projects.
This extra money can be used to help the students by buying better books, science materials, textbooks, and then, if there is some left over, save it for future renovation projects.
andrewgprv
Second Class Citizen
Teachers are very under paid in my oppinon.
I would prefer to raise the bar for teachers, and raising their salaries. I would like to see a masters required to teach rather then a bachlers.
My mom and sister are teachers and they do not have it easy. I.E. to make ends meet my mom works extended contract which mean she actually only gets 3 weeks off a year rather then 3 months. 3 weeks is the equivalent of about any job vacation time. And a teacher has homework and plenty of it, not to metion all the after-school things like kids programs parent teacher confrences etc..
Also teachers are under constant pressure from society to perform, imagine all the HR issues you have to worry about in your job I.E. sexual harrasment, discrimiation etc... now multiply that by a 100 and that's what a teacher constantly has to worry about with their actions.
I would prefer to raise the bar for teachers, and raising their salaries. I would like to see a masters required to teach rather then a bachlers.
My mom and sister are teachers and they do not have it easy. I.E. to make ends meet my mom works extended contract which mean she actually only gets 3 weeks off a year rather then 3 months. 3 weeks is the equivalent of about any job vacation time. And a teacher has homework and plenty of it, not to metion all the after-school things like kids programs parent teacher confrences etc..
Also teachers are under constant pressure from society to perform, imagine all the HR issues you have to worry about in your job I.E. sexual harrasment, discrimiation etc... now multiply that by a 100 and that's what a teacher constantly has to worry about with their actions.
Johann MacLeod
Duc de Lorraine
and thank bush for all our lack of funding, i don't care where you sit on the political spectrum, you have to admit his tax cuts and immense spending on that war has more or less destroyed edeucation in america.
thestonesfan
A Client of Ron Kuby
How so? I still see lots of schools.
Immortal
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JM, obviously with most of the western world's posters (except ohwell heh) voting that teachers are underpaid. This is obviously a problem which goes way beyond your country. President Bush doesnt decide my budget, and our school system is in shambles too.
Perfection
The Great Head.
Any teacher that has me as a student doesn't have it easy.
Richard III
Duke of Gloucester
Um, they do get breaks. But I'm upset, I accidently voted "underpaid." 
It may sound like alot of money at first, but you have to remember most have families to pay for. And there goes all of your money right there. In Alberta I don't know how much they get paid but I do know that they only get paid from the start of the first class to the end of the last class. They don't get paid for the 3 or more hours of work they do just marking and coming up with assignments. Not to mention any teacher that ends up coaching a team.
I think teachers should get hazard pay. They've been several bomb threats called in at the school I went to(1 was an actual bomb threat and not some hoax) and a few guns were found on school grounds after some police dogs came by to check out some random rumour. And this school isn't in some city, this school is in my home town of 2500 people. I hate to see what it's like in a city
I think teachers should get hazard pay. They've been several bomb threats called in at the school I went to(1 was an actual bomb threat and not some hoax) and a few guns were found on school grounds after some police dogs came by to check out some random rumour. And this school isn't in some city, this school is in my home town of 2500 people. I hate to see what it's like in a city
Kev
Hired Goon
Depending on the state, teachers are often given the choice to either have their paychecks during the school year only or to prorate it throughout the entire year. I'm fairly sure that getting paid over the summer by the school system has no repercussions on having a second job over that time - seems to be a personal preference.
Again, don't know how it stands in most states, but in New York teachers are required to have a Masters Degree by the time they are 10 years into teaching. Ceartainly a positive step toward 'raising the bar', and it usually translates into a greater salary as well, so there is incentive.
In the NYC area, we are often bombarded with the myriad of problems facing the school systems. Not only are they overcrowded, run down, and stocked with out-of-date material, but they are becoming more and more dangerous for students AND teachers alike. NYC is an extreme case to be sure, but I'm sure that there are many, many cities where teachers could qualify for hazard pay on some days.
I think that the stigma of being underpaid and overworked and the view that some of these schools are so difficult and dangerous has pushed many of the brighter minds to pursue different careers. I, for one, looked seriously into teaching for a while but ended up in business instead for the draw of greater financial opportunities. I might still look to pre-retire someday and go into teaching in my later years, but there was no real draw for me.
If we're to be serious about teaching our kids in the US, we need to cut out the dilly-dallying and put some serious effort and cash into a new startup. Offer some nice money to attract the best minds for teaching, get them what they need to do it properly, and stop forcing kids who have no desire to be in a school - get them out. The remaining problem, which can be argued as one of the top problems, is that too many parents want teachers and schools to raise their kids. Perhaps raising the bar for students will, in the long run, create better parents and start a positive cycle for once.
** End of pontification **
Again, don't know how it stands in most states, but in New York teachers are required to have a Masters Degree by the time they are 10 years into teaching. Ceartainly a positive step toward 'raising the bar', and it usually translates into a greater salary as well, so there is incentive.
In the NYC area, we are often bombarded with the myriad of problems facing the school systems. Not only are they overcrowded, run down, and stocked with out-of-date material, but they are becoming more and more dangerous for students AND teachers alike. NYC is an extreme case to be sure, but I'm sure that there are many, many cities where teachers could qualify for hazard pay on some days.
I think that the stigma of being underpaid and overworked and the view that some of these schools are so difficult and dangerous has pushed many of the brighter minds to pursue different careers. I, for one, looked seriously into teaching for a while but ended up in business instead for the draw of greater financial opportunities. I might still look to pre-retire someday and go into teaching in my later years, but there was no real draw for me.
If we're to be serious about teaching our kids in the US, we need to cut out the dilly-dallying and put some serious effort and cash into a new startup. Offer some nice money to attract the best minds for teaching, get them what they need to do it properly, and stop forcing kids who have no desire to be in a school - get them out. The remaining problem, which can be argued as one of the top problems, is that too many parents want teachers and schools to raise their kids. Perhaps raising the bar for students will, in the long run, create better parents and start a positive cycle for once.
** End of pontification **
thedirk
Master of Stealth
With a handle like Esckey (s)he must be from around Edmonton.
Richard III
Duke of Gloucester
Almost all Canadian teachers are paid salaries, and the salaries go up on a so-called "incremental scale" based on seniority with no merit considerations and regardless of collective bargaining settlements. The result is that a teacher will, in one sample increment grid, be making the top salary of 70g ++ within 12 years; a FT salary based on less than 10 months work.
R.III
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