Do you consider yourself a Lefty or Righty

[Oruc]

Nope!

 

[Ailedhoo]

I don't see a problem with that - just make a claim. Not like anyone else owns it.

In the name of Wales... WE MUST DEPLOY A WELSH FLAG AT THE CORE! DO THIS IN THE NAME OF LIBERTY, JUSTICE AND TEA!

Cheezy is American though, the notion that leftists in America are actually right of centre is absurd.
There is not some mythical political centre that trancends space and time, it all depends on the country

We need a social scientific model though for international usage or else we face problems of classification. As stated from the FAQ of the Political Compass...

You've got liberals on the right. Don't you know they're left?

This response is exclusively American. Elsewhere neo-liberalism is understood in standard political science terminology — deriving from mid 19th Century Manchester Liberalism, which campaigned for free trade on behalf of the capitalist classes of manufacturers and industrialists. In other words, laissez-faire or economic libertarianism.

In the United States, "liberals" are understood to believe in leftish economic programmes such as welfare and publicly funded medical care, while also holding liberal social views on matters such as law and order, peace, sexuality, women's rights etc. The two don't necessarily go together.

Our Compass rightly separates them. Otherwise, how would you label someone like the late Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan who, on the one hand, pleased the left by supporting strong economic safety nets for the underprivileged, but angered social liberals with his support for the Vietnam War, the Cold War and other key conservative causes?

 

[IdiotsOpposite]

Cheezy is American though, the notion that leftists in America are actually right of centre is absurd.
There is not some mythical political centre that trancends space and time, it all depends on the country

Cheezy's American, and you're not - which would suggest to me more that you can be America-centric or Europe-centric without being American or European.

 

[de Maistre]

Or that the majority of people who responded to the poll self-identify as leftists. Thus, American Democrats may consider themselves to be "leftist," but are such only in the ******** context of our political climate. Most of them are, in the big picture of things, right of center.

All those who stand in opposition to the twin pillars of throne and altar are left wing!

 

[Mango Elephant]

I can practically guarantee you that the center of mass of the Earth... hell, even just the center of mass of the Earth's crust is not Jerusalem or any other point on the surface. The center of mass is going to be close to the center.

Yeah, that's why I'm pretty sure CH is kidding. I hope.

 

[Traitorfish]

Cheezy is American though, the notion that leftists in America are actually right of centre is absurd.
There is not some mythical political centre that trancends space and time, it all depends on the country

That's a very parochial way of looking at the question. If, hypothetically, the two dominant parties in Britain were conservative and fascist, we would not describe the centre as sitting between the two, because we are able to look to France or Germany or what have you and see that we were sitting a good distance to the right. Likewise if, say, Germany was contested by a social democratic party and a communist party.The border is a legal-political agreement, it doesn't represent an actual barrier to human perception.

 

[Oruc]

Nope!

 

[Traitorfish]

No, they would not, for reasons of don't be so bloody stupid.

 

[Oruc]

Nope!

 

[IdiotsOpposite]

I never thought I'd see the day where OT would actually have an argument of:

Person A: "No they wouldn't"
Person B: "Yes they would"

 

[Traitorfish]

Sometimes that's all that can be said.

 

[IdiotsOpposite]

Here's my opinion, because it's worth so much more than everyone else's. There's national "centers", which is what people of said nationality usually mean when they talk about the "center". But then there's what we really need to consider, the international center, wherein we take the agglomerate of Western republics and establish a center from there. Using said international center, we can clearly see that most American "leftists" are to the right of it.

 

[Oruc]

Nope!

 

[IdiotsOpposite]

That is not an international centre.

Why not? It involves multiple nations, which makes it international.

 

[Quackers]

Just..republics?

 

[IdiotsOpposite]

Just..republics?

Sorry, I don't like monarchs. They're too fancy for me.

 

[Oruc]

Nope!

 

[IdiotsOpposite]

For a start it only includes western nations, the world does not revolve around the west.



This too

I think you missed the part where "international" and "pannational" mean different things.

 

[Traitorfish]

The basic problem lies in assuming that political culture is strictly national. It's not, it has both transnational and sub-national forms. Britain, for example, is not a monolithic political culture, but represents both a segment of European political culture, and compromises numerous regional political cultures, e.g. Scottish political culture. Only if there is an effective collapse in the mass exchange of ideas does the sort of scenario suggested by Oruc become possible.

 

[Mr. Dictator]

I never thought I'd see the day where OT would actually have an argument of:

Person A: "No they wouldn't"
Person B: "Yes they would"

In a binary thread like this, I'm just surprised it only hit this point at page 11.