Do you have a coherent ideology?

[Borachio]

Um. Right. So Mr Fish is in the Clique (let's say; I can see how you might think so).

Who else? Whizzy the Cheese?

 

[Mechanicalsalvation]

Um. Right. So Mr Fish is in the Clique (let's say; I can see how you might think so).

Who else? Whizzy the Cheese?

Borachio, you are clique on your own...

 

[Borachio]

Yes!

A clique on my own.

Er... how is that possible?

No, hang on... there's just been a schism. One of me has staged a coup.

 

[Terxpahseyton]

I find he makes a good duo with Gory the Grey. Not to say that there are no meaningful differences. But there is also something distinctly similar about them.

 

[Borachio]

Aw. That's so flattering. Thanks.

But really, Mr Grey is smart, and knows stuff. I'm just a... just me, I guess.

 

[Mechanicalsalvation]

CFC is a place where if you raise your head, a sniper takes it off. You learn to stay low unless you're part of the ruling cliques.

Well I think now you are obliged to tell us coherently your ideology. Becouse you start talking about it (even hinting at counts) in designed thread for it and according to CFC rules (modified by present day clique in charge) you could be banned for life if you do not reveal it all to the full satisfaction of the askers.

 

[Traitorfish]

You mean you haven't noticed?

I really haven't.

 

[Angst]

Ok, because most artists I know have to do other jobs to make ends meet and can't devote themselves to art, even in the commercial sense.

It's funny that you won't back up what you are saying, because I think you can't... artists are typically not wealthy in my experience.

True artists, that make good quality and don't "sell out" to commercial interests, especially.

Should an artist have to sell out? I would argue, yes, if that's what it takes to make ends meet. I don't get paid to do X, Y, or Z, and I have to offer my time to the man to get paid. It means I can't spend all my time in the manner of my choosing, but that's life.

Beethoven, harlem deejays, rock bands, if I were to randomly drop examples.

 

[kochman]

Anecdotes/individual examples are meaningless...

For every professional soccer star, how many never dream for that and never make it?

 

[Phrossack]

Well I think now you are obliged to tell us coherently your ideology. Becouse you start talking about it (even hinting at counts) in designed thread for it and according to CFC rules (modified by present day clique in charge) you could be banned for life if you do not reveal it all to the full satisfaction of the askers.

No.

My public ideology is plain enough. I support environmentalism, increased social safety nets, more regulations on certain business practices (especially banking), more reluctance to engage in most wars, but in favor of someone taking military action to stop an ongoing genocide, increased focus on education, increased civic participation in government, restricting the death penalty to very unusual cases, and so on. If any of that is hypocritical, that's too bad, because I'd rather do something like, say, be an environmentalist who drives a pickup truck than to abandon my environmentalism and start voting for moar coal power just to avoid the label of "hypocrite."

 

[Mechanicalsalvation]

No.

My public ideology is plain enough. I support environmentalism, increased social safety nets, more regulations on certain business practices (especially banking), more reluctance to engage in most wars, but in favor of someone taking military action to stop an ongoing genocide, increased focus on education, increased civic participation in government, restricting the death penalty to very unusual cases, and so on. If any of that is hypocritical, that's too bad, because I'd rather do something like, say, be an environmentalist who drives a pickup truck than to abandon my environmentalism and start voting for moar coal power just to avoid the label of "hypocrite."

Well so far so good but I was more interested in the juicy stuff, you know:

The other applies to how I'd like society to be, but since I know few would go along with it I'd rather have it be a separate society with voluntary membership. I keep it to myself.

 

[AlpsStranger]

Is he talking about pure voluntarism? That seems to be what he's insinuating to me.

 

[Borachio]

Dunno. I reckon it'll be something to do with hookers. And funny hats.

Do you mean Voluntaryism?

 

[AlpsStranger]

Can the hookers have funny hats on the whole time? If so I may be interested as well.

 

[Borachio]

I don't see why not. Might not be such a good idea when they wash their hair, but I daresay there's ways round that.

 

[timtofly]

Um. Right. So Mr Fish is in the Clique (let's say; I can see how you might think so).

Who else? Whizzy the Cheese?

If so that clique was abandoned a while ago.

Are not cliques so only in the minds of the beholders?

 

[Antilogic]

Wait, am I in The Clique?

 

[Borachio]

Well, which Clique?

Do you want to be in a Clique? You can be in my Clique (membership currently standing at one - I may yet leave, though), but there's no advantage there (apart from the hookers and the funny hats). For the "Ruling Clique" you'll have to seek elsewhere. Mr Fish seems to know all about it.

 

[Mise]

Am I in the clique?? I've never been in a clique before

 

[Mechanicalsalvation]

Well, which Clique?

Do you want to be in a Clique? You can be in my Clique (membership currently standing at one - I may yet leave, though), but there's no advantage there (apart from the hookers and the funny hats). For the "Ruling Clique" you'll have to seek elsewhere. Mr Fish seems to know all about it.

You cant leave there is no escape. Anywhere you go you are bound to drag your clique with you. Only if you become the Lord and modify the rules....