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Do you have some noble ancestors ?

Do you have some noble ancestors ?

  • No

    Votes: 27 48.2%
  • Yes, but they are very distant relatives

    Votes: 22 39.3%
  • Yes, and they are pretty close relatives

    Votes: 7 12.5%
  • Yes, and i represent nowadays living aristocracy myself

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    56
Hm...
I've got second cousins who are noble. Weird bit that. Their mother is a noblewoman, and her offspring have been given permission to adopt the family name, coat of arms etc. by the House of Lords in Stockholm in order to ensure that the lineage lives on. (No male heirs.)
So, relatively close relatives who are noble, but it's not a direct blood relation.

Got distant noble ancestors too (my gran'dad was a family history fanatic):

There's a bunch of noblemen further back in history. Most distinguished: Field Marshal Simon Grundel Helmfeldt, started life as Simon Grundel, the son of the mayor of Stockholm, a wealthy German silkmerchant named Jakob Grundel.

Simon went to the army as an engineer and artillery officer with Lennart Torstensson's arty. He got his education in the Netherlands in time to join the army for the battle of Breitenfeld, 1631.
He served the rest of the Swedish 30 years war to 1648. He was brigade general in Charles X invasion of Poland in the 1650's.
By the 1670's Simon Grundel had been ennobled as Grundel Helmfeldt, and become a full field marshall. He commanded the Swedish infantry at the battle of Lund in 1676:

Battle of Lund, the first srious attempt by Denmark to retake the three counties ceded to Sweden in the peace of 1658. It was one of the bloodiest battle fought in its era. Approx. 20.000+ on both sides. 5000 Danes killed outright. 4000 Swedes. I.e. between 20 and 25% of the participants killed in one battle, figuers unheard of at the time. Mostly due to the fact the the 19 year old king after beating the Danish cav. set of in pursuit of them instead of immediately cutting into the Danish infantry, which would have quickly ended the battle. Towards the evening he returned to the battlefield and realised that the battle was still going on. Swedish victory nonetheless.

There's also a whole noble family Roos af Hjelmsäter, which died out on the male side in the late 18th c., but on the female side continued directly to my paternal grandmother. (The family became priests for generations insted.) There's even a trilogy of historical novels about these ancestors of mine in the 18th c. by a woman named Anna Lorenz. They are crap, unfortunately.
These Roos af Hjelmsäter were originally a Norwegian noble family intermarried with the old Norwegian royal family descending from Harald Hårfager ("Harald the Fair Haired" or somesuch, 9th c.). The first historical date for it is from 1314, but they were around before. They seem to have had a falling out with king Erik Blood Ax ("Blodyx) and when Norway became to dangerous they turned themselves into a Swedish noble family.

One of these Roos af Hjelmsäter (Axel) was part of king Charles XII's bodyguard and was featured in some of the heroic nationalistic litterature of the late 19th c. (Heidenstam's "Karolinerna", och i "Kalabaliken i Bender" i "Svenskarna och deras hövdingar".)
His father commanded one of the infantry regiments trying to break out of the Russian encirclement at Pultava in 1707. 14.000 Swedish infantry with no ammo and no arty in a bayonet charge against 60.000 entrenched Russians with plenty of ammo and 60 pieces of field artillery. The charge failed (duh), and they ended up in Russian captivity.

On top of that I've got this distant ancestor who was a Scotish nobleman, colonel Alexander Anderson (Anderson, dependant clan to Clan Ross) marrid to a noblewoman who was a Sinclair of Mourtel.
This guy was one of the highlanders that took service in the Swedish army in the 30-years war and then made a life for himself in Sweden. (Theres' a whole slew of Swedish noble families named things like Ramsey, Munro, Sinclair, Key, Johnstone etc.)

That's the Swedish part of my family. No idea about the rest...
 
Do you have some noble ancestors ?
I don't think so. Mother's side were all native Filipino farmers. The Spanish sounding surname suggests some ancient and distant legacy from Spain.

Father's side also came from a small farming village in Fujian, China. 'Tis said my great-grandfather held some minor official post but died too early.

There was a Cai dukedom though during the Spring and Autumn period. Wonder if I'm related to that? :mischief:
 
Xen said:
well, I dont- so lets go; I've got more the enough firends in Ironcially enough, both ireland and Scotland) to make us a warband (wales to for that matter- england, not so much, I mainlyl know an Indian familly over thier, and they are none too inclined to fight, despite having kick ass swords in thier househould shrine) on my adventures in the land last summer.

so lets go, and bring along your posse, I'll brign alogn mine, we meet with the dudes in the siles, and we have at it :p

Iv got a Scottish diplomat who was an ancestor. Is that good enough for me to join?

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2004-09/yu-rc092904.php

btw, we all technically probably have royal ancestors, or rather maybe chieftan ancestors. This is because the point at which everyone alive then is an ancestor of everyone or no one now, was a few thousand years ago. Interesting stuff. The only way we wouldnt have some "royal" ancestors was if for some reason all of the royalty back at that point were prevented from reproducing, or all their children or grandchildren, etc. were.
 
technically not nobility, but I've never been one to put down another back by my side on an adventure
 
No close ancestors of mine were noble or socially relevant in any way as far as I can tell, but as with pretty much everyone else in the world, having kings and bobles as my ancestors is close to being a statistical certainty.
 
One thing to note is that everyone so far has spoken only of European nobility. While it's the most famous sort, certainly, pretty much most regions and continents had some sort of nobility. There was even a North American nobility for a time - from the 1600s onward to the late 18th century.

I speak, of course, of New France. Because, for those who do not know, New France was developed under a feudal model : that is to say, the governor granted domains and titles to people, who would in turn grant farm to peasants, and thus develop the land. Oaths and taxes went straight along those lines. While serfdom didn'T factor in, the notion of duties did (ie, the peasants having to provide X days of work per year for the lord and the domain).

I don't think however that the marriage barriers relevant to nobility ever really kicked in for New France. It is therefore not unlikely that several French-Canadian families have noble blood (mine does, for a start), and since many french-canadians emigrated to the US around 1900 and became assimilated in the Great Lakes/New England area long ago, there are possibly not a few americans of the north-east who are technically descended from New France nobility.
 
I can trace my ancestry back to Gorm the Old, the first Danish King who died in 958.
 
does the advisor to the kaiser count? regardless I think i have some welsh nobility way the heck back yo!
 
I can trace my ancestry back to the Irish High King Brian Boru, though my family would hardly be considered his heirs. I bet at least a quarter of the island can claim him as an ancestor by now.
 
I'm related to a rather famous Victorian detective called Holmes, or so I was told when I was younger...
 
I know that Holmes famous one, who was his name?

Ahhh, now I remember, Mycroft :D
 
One of my mothers distant relatives was on the first ship that went to Jamestown in 1607. Where can I check for anybody else?
 
Hello.
I know for quite sure the family of my father comes from an ancient noble in the early beginnings of Spain, well, about the 11th century, when it was still called Kingdom of Castile. (Reino de Castilla)
Also from part of my mother, I am not sure, but in some research i've done in my second surname, it comes from a little noble family of Zaragoza, in the ancient kingdom of Aragon, and the house is still there.
Sadly, those families of mine are very far in the time, so right now there is no remain of noble...
All I know, is that in the Spanish Civil War, the last member who still had some connection with noble, was killed...:-(
And there is no more of noblility in my family...
Greetings.
 
LLXerxes said:
One of my mothers distant relatives was on the first ship that went to Jamestown in 1607. Where can I check for anybody else?

There have been some very recent diggings in the J'town area with identities
of some bodies and many artifacts being recovered. You may want to check that out :scan: .

I have traced several relatives back to the Civil War (so far just privates,
corporals, sgts and captains :cool: , no generals yet) and several American
generals in WWII had the same last name as I have- Frederick. My mom's
last name was LaRoque- most definately French but I haven't found anything
too good yet on that :( . Of course there is my Prussian hero :mischief: , but
he may have placed his names backwards on his birth certificate ;) .
 
I am related to some Austrian royal family from a couple hundred years back, but my ancestry is almost completely German.
 
Yes, I've a couple of noble ancestors.

Some close relatives(but all dead) have been noble. My grand-grand-father has been born as a lesser noble man but than nobelity has been abolished(nearly a century ago) in our country. In an other ancestory line I've a Slowenian "Graf"(i think it's dutch in English). In an other linage I can find the illegal(without marriage) son of an Austrian Emperor(but this was 500 years ago). An other Graf in my lineage has become a noble because he commanded a strike force(during the Turky wars(about 1600)) that saved the Austrian Emperor. Finally he drove the Turky back to Hungary(It was only a minor invasion).

I don't care about my noble ancestors because I am not them and I have my own success and don't need them to be proud on myself. But my grandfather likes to work on our lineage and so I know a lot about my ancestors.

I am against aristrocracy.
 
Yes. A Bavarian Duke dating back to the 1600s.

My cousin's great-great-great-great-great-great (don't know how many) uncle is George Washington, so if George Washington were crowned a king instead of President...
 
I'm pretty sure I am. I'll have to ask my grandparents on my Dad's side, tho. (They're into geneaology). I'm also a Scot!:wavey:
 
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