Do you think community colleges are bad?

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I don't see what the big fuss is over them. I see a number of people on other sites bashing them, but considering I went to one and going to another one to advance myself, I don't think they that bad.

Your thoughts?
 
It totally depends on what you are using a CC for.

CC's are a very valuable part of our nation's education system. They are an excellent vehicle for providing continuing education for working adults, providing remedial coursework to help people get ready for college, or for providing a more affordable way for folks to pay for part of school. If money is a major issue, and you're planning on going to State U, spending a year or two at the local CC can save you thousands of dollars.

Unless you are studying a few specific trades though, stopping at CC will leave you in debt with little to show for it. An Associates degree, by itself, is usually not worth much of anything.

CC's are obviously not as hard as a regular 4 year university. That's not their job though.

As far as resumes are concerned, if you attend a CC and then go to a regular college, you don't even have to mention the CC on your resume. As a recruiter, even for fairly high level jobs, I don't dock anybody for having attended a CC. I would only dock them if they ONLY attended a CC, and the job required more.
 
No, but it depends on what you are going for. My biggest problem with community colleges (as well as online colleges) is they make no effort to moderate the expectations of their students. I have so many sailors working on online degrees who have pay scale expectations far out of whack with the quality of the degree they are getting.
 
They're better than no college at all, but despite what you may think of them, they have a bad reputation on resumes.

Care to explain the latter?

It totally depends on what you are using a CC for.

CC's are a very valuable part of our nation's education system. They are an excellent vehicle for providing continuing education for working adults, providing remedial coursework to help people get ready for college, or for providing a more affordable way for folks to pay for part of school. If money is a major issue, and you're planning on going to State U, spending a year or two at the local CC can save you thousands of dollars.

Unless you are studying a few specific trades though, stopping at CC will leave you in debt with little to show for it. An Associates degree, by itself, is usually not worth much of anything.

CC's are obviously not as rigerous as a regular 4 year university. That's not their job though.

As far as resumes are concerned, if you attend a CC and then go to a regular college, you don't even have to mention the CC on your resume. As a recruiter, even for fairly high level jobs, I don't dock anybody for having attended a CC. I would only dock them if they ONLY attended a CC, and the job required more.

I have a AS in General Studies. I know that this alone won't get me much if anything. I mean, a Master's in Liberal Arts isn't getting my brother anywhere expect for Target's.

I myself have a father who is working at another CC so I can take classes there for free. I am lucky enough to do this. I am going for a certificate in HR management which I will get this Fall. Then I will go for a AS in HR Management and how they have it set up, I can probably get a another certificate and a AS in General Management a semester or two later. I am going to work on the AS's as I go to get a Bachelor's in Criminal Justice. I figure this may help me in that job search (Maybe I can work for the IRS for example) and can be a back up plan if Criminal Justice goes wrong for me and have to get a job so I can get another BS then.




No, but it depends on what you are going for. My biggest problem with community colleges (as well as online colleges) is they make no effort to moderate the expectations of their students. I have so many sailors working on online degrees who have pay scale expectations far out of whack with the quality of the degree they are getting.

I think any school faces that problem, even the CC I attended.
 
I myself have a father who is working at another CC so I can take classes there for free. I am lucky enough to do this. I am going for a certificate in HR management which I will get this Fall. Then I will go for a AS in HR Management and how they have it set up, I can probably get a another certificate and a AS in General Management a semester or two later. I am going to work on the AS's as I go to get a Bachelor's in Criminal Justice. I figure this may help me in that job search (Maybe I can work for the IRS for example) and can be a back up plan if Criminal Justice goes wrong for me and have to get a job so I can get another BS then.

This is not a good idea. I work in HR. Let me explain how it works.

The only HR certifications that have relevance in the industry are the PHR Series of certifications (PHR, SPHR and GPHR). These require a BA Degree and a certain number of years of industry experience before you can take the exam. You don't need to pass these tests to get a good job, but they typically can give you a small pay bump once you do.

An HR related degree is in no way required to work in HR. I have a Political Science degree. My boss has a degree in Sociology. I think I've only worked with two people in my career who have an undergrad degree in an HR related field...in order to start, you only need a BA.

I think you will have a hard time entering into the business above the intern/clerk level without a BA degree. An AS HR Certificate will get you a data entry job that pays 11 bucks an hour, but a guy with a BA from State U in Sociology will be a stronger candidate for anything above that.

Instead of getting three different AS degrees, if you want to work in HR, focus on getting a BA as soon as you can, while doing at least one internship. You AS can knock out a lot of credits, helping you get that degree quicker, so long as your GPA is above 2.0
 
At any college, you get out of it what you put in to it. You can take the path of least resistance and slide through learning almost nothing at a community college, or at a major university. If you want to learn, though, a community college can provide the best value (learning for cost) for almost anyone.

Here's why. First, full time teachers at community colleges want to _teach_ their subject. They have minimal other duties. They are hired because they can teach well, and that is what they are evaluated for. (Part time teachers are a mixed bag. Some are excellent and some are lousy. This is true at both 2 and 4+ year institutions.) Full time teachers at universities are usually hired for their research. Teaching ability or desire is not necessary. They have significant other duties.

Second, class sizes at a community college are small. Introductory classes typically run about 20 students per class, rather than the hundreds per class in a public, 4-year university. (I teach physics at a very large community college; I went to grad school at a major state university. In the introductory class here, my class cap is 24 students. The same course at the university consistently enrolled 3000+ students, more than 100 times as many.) If you want to talk to your instructor, it is much easier with smaller classes. If you want to avoid your instructor, of course, it is much easier if there are 3000 other students in the class.

Third, at a community college, your instructors may not be big names in the field, but they'll actually be the ones teaching you. At my institution, about half of the faculty have Ph.D.s (mostly in their teaching field, but a few in education or CC administration); the rest have master's degrees (except a few in programs like welding). At a big university, the professor, with a Ph.D., may (or may not) give the lectures, but recitations, labs, and homework grading will likely be done by TA's - that is, people with a bachelor's degree, usually in the field they are teaching, but not always. They often have less of a grasp of things that we'd like.

Fourth, the content of courses at community colleges is exactly the same as at 4-year institutions. The courses are articulated for transfer, so that everyone knows exactly what is covered in each course. We are right in the middle of a big, state-wide audit of all transfer courses at all institutions (2 and 4 year); it is lots of fun paperwork.

Fifth, community colleges are a lot cheaper than four year schools. Public institutions in our area charge about five times as much per credit hour; local private institutions charge up to 12 times as much, last I looked. Here, the state also pays community college tuition for students with really good high school grades, making us an even better deal.

We get an (undeserved) bad rap for our graduation rates because we have to count students who transfer successfully without a degree as students who drop out. (Students in science and engineering who want an AS degree but also want to take the necessary introductory classes for their major need about 80 semester hours before they leave; only 60 will transfer. Consequently, they usually just take the required introductory classes and then transfer. We have to count them as our failures.) Also, we have to count students who come to take a couple of classes for personal reasons, but who never wanted a degree, as students who drop out. (In this category, we have retired people who want to take a gardening class and teachers who want to pick up a class or two to get an endorsement on their teaching certificate.)

Here, at least, we make a big effort to make clear to our students what degrees they need for what jobs, and what sort of pay they can look forward to. For students who are not in transfer programs, we have lots of industry ties, and the college works closely to make sure that students get what they need and that the students know what they are getting into. Many of our students still don't really understand how school works and what they can expect, both during and after, so we work hard to help them. For-profit schools are a totally different ball of wax, and they encourage unrealistic thinking so as to suck the maximum amount of money out of the student and system.
 
No, but it depends on what you are going for. My biggest problem with community colleges (as well as online colleges) is they make no effort to moderate the expectations of their students. I have so many sailors working on online degrees who have pay scale expectations far out of whack with the quality of the degree they are getting.

There are also different types of community colleges, at least in Canada.

Online colleges? Forget about them.. Most of them are useless and not very well respected.

On the other hand there is a community college here in town that has a very good reputation in certain fields: graphic design and music editing/mixing/mastering, just to name 2.. Students graduating from there do fairly well in the job market because the school directly prepares them for work. Universities (i.e. regular colleges) don't really do that as well - they teach you more theory than something a bit more practical.
 
Community colleges typically have much easier classes/standards than state/private universities, so they don't say a whole lot about your skills if you've only attended a community college.

Of course there are exceptions, as warpus pointed out.
 
This is not a good idea. I work in HR. Let me explain how it works.

The only HR certifications that have relevance in the industry are the PHR Series of certifications (PHR, SPHR and GPHR). These require a BA Degree and a certain number of years of industry experience before you can take the exam. You don't need to pass these tests to get a good job, but they typically can give you a small pay bump once you do.

An HR related degree is in no way required to work in HR. I have a Political Science degree. My boss has a degree in Sociology. I think I've only worked with two people in my career who have an undergrad degree in an HR related field...in order to start, you only need a BA.

I think you will have a hard time entering into the business above the intern/clerk level without a BA degree. An AS HR Certificate will get you a data entry job that pays 11 bucks an hour, but a guy with a BA from State U in Sociology will be a stronger candidate for anything above that.

Instead of getting three different AS degrees, if you want to work in HR, focus on getting a BA as soon as you can, while doing at least one internship. You AS can knock out a lot of credits, helping you get that degree quicker, so long as your GPA is above 2.0

Well I'm planning on getting a BS in Criminal Justice but I want/need something to fall back on. Besides, it's free, so I'm going to do it anyhow so I can at least have it.
 
Well I'm planning on getting a BS in Criminal Justice but I want/need something to fall back on. Besides, it's free, so I'm going to do it anyhow so I can at least have it.

It isn't really something to fall back on though. As a credential, it is functionally worthless.

Even if it is free, spending time on geting an AS that doesn't mean anything takes away *time* you could be spending on other coursework. If the classes you are taking towards an AS in HR (whatever that means) can all be transfered towards you BA in Criminal Justice, then that's fine. If not, you ought to spend that time either taking more targeted classes so you can graduate quicker, or getting work experience and networking.

By themselves, only a small handful of AS diplomas are worth the effort. There isn't a single AS in any kind of liberal arts that would qualify.
 
It isn't really something to fall back on though. As a credential, it is functionally worthless.

Even if it is free, spending time on geting an AS that doesn't mean anything takes away *time* you could be spending on other coursework. If the classes you are taking towards an AS in HR (whatever that means) can all be transfered towards you BA in Criminal Justice, then that's fine. If not, you ought to spend that time either taking more targeted classes so you can graduate quicker, or getting work experience and networking.

By themselves, only a small handful of AS diplomas are worth the effort. There isn't a single AS in any kind of liberal arts that would qualify.

So basically it would be a Mickey House degree then?

AS in H.R Management. Associate of Science in Human Resource Management.

I'm planning on getting a Bachelor of Science, not a Bachelor of Arts, in Criminal Justice. The admission fellow told me with all my business credits I could get a Business minor as well.


Is there any Associates in your opinion that mean anything?
 
When I was 21, taking a community college course over the summer was a great way to hit on bored 28 to 32 year olds. Now that I am 44, taking a community college course over the summer is a great way to hit on bored 28 to 32 year olds.
 
So basically it would be a Mickey House degree then?

AS in H.R Management. Associate of Science in Human Resource Management.

I'm planning on getting a Bachelor of Science, not a Bachelor of Arts, in Criminal Justice. The admission fellow told me with all my business credits I could get a Business minor as well.


Is there any Associates in your opinion that mean anything?

Yup, it would be a Mickey Mouse degree. The min. requirements for any HR clerk, Talent Development Specialist, and virtually all Recruiters, is a BA. The only job an AS would help you for would be basic data entry, or accounts payable. That stuff pays about 11 bucks an hour, and you couldn't be promoted without a BA.

AS's that focus on very specific skills are more helpful. Automotive Repair, Graphic Design, Nursing, and Construction Management may be worth it. Anything to do with "Business" or a liberal art is not worth spending time or money on.

Your minor doesn't really matter either.
 
Well, as long as it is free I am still going to do it. I never pass up free stuff, especially since my family isn't the richest of families so any free classes I can take I will regardless. But I will keep this in mind.

Thanks for the interesting info! :)
 
Well, as long as it is free I am still going to do it. I never pass up free stuff, especially since my family isn't the richest of families so any free classes I can take I will regardless. But I will keep this in mind.

Thanks for the interesting info! :)

check with several employer and several bussiness associations after deciding what you wish to study but before you sign up... some studies are ok, and can kick you on to further study after gaining employment... others are not recognized by employers at all, and will not actually be of any use to you

i did the Australian equivalent of community college starting with certicate 1 and going for a trade then post trade then specialist subjects then diplomas and associate degrees before finally undertaking a degree course at Uni spread over many years while working all the time... but if that 1st course is not recognized or of good quality it will not get you into an industry nor be recognized for advanced courses
 
We have similar colleges in Ireland that offer 1 to 2 year courses for those who have finished high school.

The courses are usually skills based or are used as an alternative entry route to 3/4 year courses in more senior schools.
 
Well, as long as it is free I am still going to do it. I never pass up free stuff, especially since my family isn't the richest of families so any free classes I can take I will regardless. But I will keep this in mind.

Thanks for the interesting info! :)

Just never forget about opportunity cost. Like Downtown said earlier, if the degree isn't worth anything, you're better off spending your time focusing on other coursework, or perhaps even working.

If you spend a year at CC for a worthless degree, and making certain assumptions about your age, gender, and race, you've thrown away something like $20,000 to $25,000.
 
The quality of technical education and degrees from CC's is being understated. They're fantastic at that sort of thing.

They're also extremely cost effective(the brick and mortar ones, not the online ones) if your goal is to take your gen eds there and then progress to a 4-year university to finish the bachelor's degree with 2 to 2 1/2 years of full cost tuition instead of 4 to 4 1/2 years of it.
 
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