Do you think gay couples should be able to adopt kids?

[Trajan12]

Hetero couples parenting, and being caught by the press. Gee, that can't be used as a source of how hetero couples can be bad parents!

That's not a statistic and if it is one you haven't presented this "proof" yet. Not everything the media says is trustworthy and the press doesn't seem like the best place to find info on the quality of parenting, seeing as they are payed to find Scandals and maltreatment as opposed to finding great parents who love their children.

 

[GenMarshall]

Hetero couples parenting, and being caught by the press. Gee, that can't be used as a source of how hetero couples can be bad parents!

Thats not statistic nor is it from a reliable accedemic source. Brittny's parrenting does not represent the parenting of everyone .

 

[Shadylookin]

I'd rather live with the most flamboyant homosexuals in existence than an orphanage

 

[Whomp]

Sure they should. This argument is old and tired. My question to those of you who say they should not.....
Have you ever met a gay couple that's raising children? Or the children for that matter? Or are you simply being closed minded?

Gays couples are very well prepared for adoption in advance through adoption counseling. IE like how to avoid situations where you're at Chucky Cheese and a white male picks up a black child.

Certainly, research has found no reasons to believe lesbian mothers or gay fathers to be unfit parents (Armesto, 2002; Barret & Robinson, 1990; Bigner & Bozett, 1990; Bigner & Jacobsen, 1989a, 1989b; Bos et al., 2003, 2004; Bozett, 1980, 1989; Patterson, 1997; Patterson & Chan, 1996; Sbordone, 1993; Tasker & Golombok, 1997; Victor & Fish, 1995; Weston, 1991). On the contrary, results of research suggest that lesbian and gay parents are as likely as heterosexual parents to provide supportive home environments for children.

http://www.apa.org/pi/lgbc/publications/lgplgparents.html

 

[Gilder]

Wow! You all made such an effort to look at what I actually said.

Plus, most would probably make better parents then some hetero couples.

I said some. Not all. You're all responding like I said homosexual couples would raise children better than heterosexual couples. I said some would, not all. After all we've all seen some terrible parenting on the news, or in the newspaper.

 

[JollyRoger]

Are you trying to make the case that these two are the 'norm' among heterosexuals?

No. The original proposition was that most homosexual couples would be better parents than some heterosexual couples. I threw out one example of the some and I am sure that you can probably think of many more.

Laughable.

What's laughable? That you are putting words in my mouth?

Do you think George Michael and his partner would be better parents?

Than Britney and Kevin? Sure. Than the average heterosexual (or average homosexual) couple? Probably not.

 

[Whomp]

For those of you that are too lazy to read the report I'll play devil's advocate and say gay couples may be better parents in some instances than hetero parents.
From the APA report.

For instance, Flaks, Fischer, Masterpasqua, and Joseph (1995) reported that lesbian couples' parenting awareness skills were stronger than those of heterosexual couples. This was attributed to greater parenting awareness among lesbian nonbiological mothers than among heterosexual fathers. In one study, Brewaeys and her colleagues (1997) likewise reported more favorable patterns of parent-child interaction among lesbian as compared to heterosexual parents, but in another, they found greater similarities (Vanfraussen, Ponjaert-Kristoffersen, & Brewaeys, 2003). A recent study of 256 lesbian and gay parent families found that, in contrast to patterns characterizing the majority of American parents, very few lesbian and gay parents reported any use of physical punishment (such as spanking) as a disciplinary technique; instead, they were likely to report use of positive techniques such as reasoning (Johnson & O'Connor, 2002).

 

[Sidhe]

Are you trying to make the case that these two are the 'norm' among heterosexuals?

Laughable.

Do you think George Michael and his partner would be better parents?

Do you think making one logical fallacy after one has already been made would support your case?

I'd of loved to have had those two as parents, man the silver spoon effect, rich parents are cool Especially when you grew up having to eat a handfull of cold gravel every day and working 26 hours down t' pit.

Essentially I think how good parents are is not a hetero or homo issue it's a little more complex than that. Ad hominim fallacies aside.

 

[MobBoss]

do you think he is the norm among gay couples?

I wouldnt have the faintest clue...but its not a point I am trying to make in this thread......unlike people here saying gays 'might' be better parents and giving Britney or Michael Jackson as exmaples.

Personally, I think gays/lesbians should be able to adopt for the sole reason that having a parent, any parent, is a preferable alternative to having the state raise a child.

I do think kids should be placed into traditional husband/wife homes as a priority, but if none are available, I certainly see gay/lesbian homes as a better alternative to not having parents at all.

EDIT: Just reading some of the cross posting and sure, there are exceptions to every rule. I am sure some gay parents could be better than some hetero parents; likewise I could say some hetero parents are far better than some gay parents. Both statements are true. However, given as a whole, I would not accept the notion that gay parents en total are better parents than hetero parents. I would also say that having both a male and female role model in two parents would be preferable for a child than having only two parents of the same gender, or only having one parent at all.

 

[JollyRoger]

EDIT: Just reading some of the cross posting and sure, there are exceptions to every rule. I am sure some gay parents could be better than some hetero parents; likewise I could say some hetero parents are far better than some gay parents. Both statements are true. However, given as a whole, I would not accept the notion that gay parents en total are better parents than hetero parents. I would also say that having both a male and female role model in two parents would be preferable for a child than having only two parents of the same gender, or only having one parent at all.

All things being equal, I agree with you - but I believe there is likely a bias in the sytem that favors less than adequate heterosexual couples over competent singles or same-gender couples.

 

[Stylesrj]

Yes they should be able to adopt children. They'd be a much better option than in child labour or in a government orphanage.

 

[Masquerouge]

Yes they should.

 

[GenMarshall]

Personally, I think gays/lesbians should be able to adopt for the sole reason that having a parent, any parent, is a preferable alternative to having the state raise a child.

I do think kids should be placed into traditional husband/wife homes as a priority, but if none are available, I certainly see gay/lesbian homes as a better alternative to not having parents at all.

Somehow, I agree (and very supprised dispite your views on not agreeing with homosexuality) to that statement.

However, I cannot put myself supporting nor opposing adoptions for homosexuals.

 

[Cuivienen]

Thats not statistic nor is it from a reliable accedemic source. Brittny's parrenting does not represent the parenting of everyone .

Most homosexuals would be better parents than some heterosexuals. True. Some heterosexuals are terrible parents, far worse than the average person, regardless of orientation.

Most heterosexuals would be better parents than some homosexuals. True. Some homosexuals are terrible parents, far worse than the average person, regardless of orientation.

Light!

 

[MobBoss]

Most homosexuals would be better parents than some heterosexuals. True. Some heterosexuals are terrible parents, far worse than the average person, regardless of orientation.

Most heterosexuals would be better parents than some homosexuals. True. Some homosexuals are terrible parents, far worse than the average person, regardless of orientation.

Light!

You sir, have discovered the proverbial two headed coin via your logic.

 

[CartesianFart]

Personally, I think gays/lesbians should be able to adopt for the sole reason that having a parent, any parent, is a preferable alternative to having the state raise a child.

I do think kids should be placed into traditional husband/wife homes as a priority, but if none are available, I certainly see gay/lesbian homes as a better alternative to not having parents at all.

To me, i think it is better for children to be raised by the state if no family will take them.Institutions of adoption can be better and more effective to raised a whole new generation of children if provided a sound and advance education that neither schools or your typical nuclear family structure.Think of ancient Sparta as the ideal model.

 

[GenMarshall]

Most homosexuals would be better parents than some heterosexuals. True. Some heterosexuals are terrible parents, far worse than the average person, regardless of orientation.

Most heterosexuals would be better parents than some homosexuals. True. Some homosexuals are terrible parents, far worse than the average person, regardless of orientation.

Light!

Why not condense it to "Most people would be better parents than some parents. True. Some people are terrible parents, far worse than the average person, regardles of orientation" ?

 

[MobBoss]

Think of ancient Sparta as the ideal model.

Government sponsored pederasty? Violent rites of manhood?

That would be swell if we were at war with the Persians....

Hey, wait a minute.....

 

[Xanikk999]

Government sponsored pederasty? Violent rites of manhood?

That would be swell if we were at war with the Persians....

Hey, wait a minute.....

They arent persian anymore! Unless we go to war with iran...

 

[CartesianFart]

Government sponsored pederasty? Violent rites of manhood?

That would be swell if we were at war with the Persians....

Hey, wait a minute.....

Aside the other undesirable things such as pederasty and violent rites,i hope you can see that if giving children some kind of military/educational training that can give them tools not only to be great citizens but also to make something of themselves.Instead we have all these kids coming out of corrupted family structures that endorse their own egoism which in turn breed strife and antagonism amongst citizens.Especially starting in public schools.