Do You Think More Highly Of A Person With A College Degree?

[MobBoss]

I don't judge people that way. I judge them on the stupid crap they spew.

Amen brotha.

And no, I dont think higher of people with college degrees than those that dont. I am not that shallow.

I have seen utter idiots who managed to get their degrees and I have seen extremely smart and intelligent people who just didnt like college. Having a degree doesnt somehow make you a 'better' person. Thats just stupid.

As far as succeed....how do you measure success? How much money you make? Or if you are simply happy in life? I may not make as much money as some people, but I got a wife and kids that love me and all that I need with a bit more besides. To me that is success.

And if I were an employer with two potentials, I wouldnt hire someone simply because of their degree. Experience often matters more; and also what I thought of them in the personal question and answer portion of the interview.

The third question is just silly. Choosing your best man because of a college degree? Ridiculous.

 

[frob2900]

I have seen utter idiots who managed to get their degrees and I have seen extremely smart and intelligent people who just didnt like college. Having a degree doesnt somehow make you a 'better' person. Thats just stupid.

As far as succeed....how do you measure success? How much money you make? Or if you are simply happy in life? I may not make as much money as some people, but I got a wife and kids that love me and all that I need with a bit more besides. To me that is success.

Agree fully.

 

[Red Door]

And if I were an employer with two potentials, I wouldnt hire someone simply because of their degree. Experience often matters more; and also what I thought of them in the personal question and answer portion of the interview.

They have the same creddentials, which means they have the same experience. Who would you hire?

 

[Shadylookin]

yes. like it or not a college education is needed to get a job in most fields. So people that don't go to college are limiting themselves and i look down on that.

yes usually. of course personal experience in the field is useful.

yes statistically speaking.

the guy with the college degree. It demonstrates that he was willing to go through academic process and was able to succeed there.

i'd flip a coin, unless one of them has a degree in public speaking

 

[CaptainF]

A lot of pretentious elitism on this thread.

A lot of very good people I know have no college degree. In many cases I find they are more fun to be around and are often less arrogant than those with them.

 

[North King]

A lot of pretentious elitism on this thread.

There's also a lot of pretentious anti-intellectualism going on in this thread, too. No, having a college degree does not automatically make you a better person, but some people are acting as though it automatically acts as a strike against you.

 

[MobBoss]

They have the same creddentials, which means they have the same experience. Who would you hire?

So they are the exact same person except for the college degree?

What was the guy without the degree doing for the 4 years the other guy was going to school if not getting work experience?

Your comparison is crap without such considerations.

 

[frob2900]

What was the guy without the degree doing for the 4 years the other guy was going to school if not getting work experience?

Your comparison is crap without such considerations.

I asked the same thing earlier. Apparently it can't be taken into consideration.

 

[Red Door]

So they are the exact same person except for the college degree?

Yes.

What was the guy without the degree doing for the 4 years the other guy was going to school if not getting work experience?

I dunno, masturbating, but you're avoiding the question. They have the exact same creddentials in the field, except one has a college degree and the other doesn't. Which one would you hire? Remember, they're the exact same, exactly, except one has a degree, the other doesn't. The one who doesn't have a degree was doing something else in another job that has nothing, absolutely nothing to do with the current job.

 

[amadeus]

Any college degree, even if it's an Associate's, Bachelor's, or whatever the one is that said you graduated, but not much else.

I meant their particular concentration.

 

[Red Door]

I meant their particular concentration.

Well, I'd assume it's in the field they're working in.

 

[MobBoss]

Yes.

I dunno, masturbating, but you're avoiding the question. They have the exact same creddentials in the field, except one has a college degree and the other doesn't. Which one would you hire? Remember, they're the exact same, exactly, except one has a degree, the other doesn't. The one who doesn't have a degree was doing something else in another job that has nothing, absolutely nothing to do with the current job.

Then your question is absolutely useless and its fixed to the point where you only get the answer you want.

So I have two individuals and one spent 4 years masturbating and one got a college degree. I guess I pick the guy with the degree....unless my 100k year a job is in the porn industry.

Your question is utterly stupid. But then again, thats about what I expect from you. All you have proven here is that you have the capacity to frame a question in such a way as to get the answer you want.

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Now ask a real question in that the two are not the same, one has say, 6 years of experience in the field and a good resume...and the other merely has a degree....which do you pick then?

But I dont expect you to have the moral courage to ask an actual legitimate question since it might hurt your premise.

 

[Red Door]

Then your question is absolutely useless and its fixed to the point where you only get the answer you want.

No, it's an opinion question. Who would you hire?

Your question is utterly stupid. But then again, thats about what I expect from you. All you have proven here is that you have the capacity to frame a question in such a way as to get the answer you want.

Ad hominem. Could you please focus on the topic and not me? All it shows is that you don't have the maturity to discuss the topic and would rather discuss users.

Now ask a real question in that the two are not the same, one has say, 6 years of experience in the field and a good resume...and the other merely has a degree....which do you pick then?

Well, obviously the one with the experience. But, if I remember correctly, you just accused me of framing my question to get the answer I wanted.

But I dont expect you to have the moral courage to ask an actual legitimate question since it might hurt your premise.

Ad hominem, once again. I asked a perfectally legitimite question. You decided that you didn't like the question, so instead of focusing on it, you focused your attacks on me.

 

[frob2900]

Straw man, once again. I asked a perfectally legitimite question. You decided that you didn't like the question, so instead of focusing on it, you focused your attacks on me.

The point is that since college takes 4 years, the other person has 4 years extra time. What the person did in that time is important.

Imho your question isn't legitimate because it ignores the fact that college takes a fair amount of time to complete.

 

[Gogf]

Well, I'd assume it's in the field they're working in.

Plenty of college graduates go into fields that are different from the one they have a degree in.

 

[Red Door]

The point is that since college takes 4 years, the other person has 4 years extra time. What the person did in that time is important.

And I answered that. The person did nothing that relates to the job. He did other work, something completely different.

Imho your question isn't legitimate because it ignores the fact that college takes a fair amount of time to complete.

Okay then, I never said anything about college not taking time to complete. You just assumed that because I never said what the other person was. This was a pretty simple question, which person would you hire if they had the same creddentials with the only difference between the two being a degree.

 

[Red Door]

Plenty of college graduates go into fields that are different from the one they have a degree in.

That is true. I shall consider that for next time.

 

[MobBoss]

No, it's an opinion question. Who would you hire?

Its not an opinion question.....its a question you set up with only one real answer.

Straw man.

Errrr. Do you even know what a straw man is? That wasnt a straw man.

Could you please focus on the topic and not me? All it shows is that you don't have the maturity to discuss the topic and would rather discuss users.

Rofl. The user has framed a ridiculous question with only one answer. Dont be upset with me for pointing out the obvious.

Well, obviously the one with the experience. But, if I remember correctly, you just accused me of framing my question to get the answer I wanted.

You have.

Straw man, once again.

Again...do you know what a straw man is? I think you may be confused on it a tad. Here is some help on it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

I asked a perfectally legitimite question.

Sure you did. Its akin to asking "if I am traveling at 60 mph in a 55 mph zone, am I actually speeding? Yes, or no?"

That too is a legitimate question...but one with only one answer. You see, your question of 'who would you hire....a guy with a degree and no experience or a guy without a degree and no experience, otherwise theyare the same' only has one answer. And that would be the guy with the degree.

 

[Red Door]

Its not an opinion question.....its a question you set up with only one real answer.

No, it's an opinion question. Many people are posting different opinions, and I'm not saying they're wrong or anything like that. You're taking it as a one answer question, which is not my fault in any way whatsoever.

Errrr. Do you even know what a straw man is? That wasnt a straw man.

You're right, it was ad hominem, which is what I changed straw man to, I was mistaken.

Rofl. The user has framed a ridiculous question with only one answer. Dont be upset with me for pointing out the obvious.

Please discuss the topic, not the user. Thank you.

You have.

But you posted a very similar question to the other side. I see it as a legitimate opinion question, you can see it as a question with one real answer.

Again...do you know what a straw man is? I think you may be confused on it a tad. Here is some help on it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

I mistook straw man for ad hominem. I am sorry, it was my mistake.

Sure you did. Its akin to asking "if I am traveling at 60 mph in a 55 mph zone, am I actually speeding? Yes, or no?"

That too is a legitimate question...but one with only one answer.

That is unrelated to the question. I asked you who would you hire, there is no correct answer, some people would say they would hire the guy without the degree. Again, how is it my fault that you took the question for having one answer?

 

[MobBoss]

That is unrelated to the question. I asked you who would you hire, there is no correct answer, some people would say they would hire the guy without the degree. Again, how is it my fault that you took the question for having one answer?

See my edit above on my last point. I dont think anyone reasonable or at wishing to be successful in business would choose someone with no experience and no degree over someone who at least had a degree.

There really is only one logical answer.

That is my entire point in how you have framed the question with no other qualifiers to be known.