Does justice exist?

[ParkCungHee]

I'd chip in, but I figure I should keep my expounding on Platonic Ideals to one thread.
Short answer: Justice exists, your senses are a lie.

 

[Chiteng]

I would say that 'justice' is a human concept. Creating it is a human endeavor.
even then, no not always.

I will give you a very simple example, that I am sure most of you are sadly familiar with.

How many of you have been screwed over by a female? Where you were blameless?

It is VERY rare that such women face even a hint of justice for their actions.

 

[Leoreth]

In which way has a vile female "screwed you over" that she deserves "justice for her actions"?

 

[Perfection]

If you've been wondering why I've been absent as of late, it's because I've been making it.

 

[Chiteng]

In which way has a vile female "screwed you over" that she deserves "justice for her actions"?

Subjective, that is exactly why it is a human concept.

But I suppose a classic example would be where a woman marries a man for a meal ticket, and then cheats on him. Passing off other men's children as his.

That happens often enough to satisfy your lust for examples.

and no, it has never happened to me.

 

[Antilogic]

Perfect justice can only be fully understood with God, as God is infinite justice (and infinite love)

I think even atheists can understand this simple and logical conclusion (even if they don't believe in him)

Could you post some examples of God's infinite justice from the Old Testament?

 

[timtofly]

If you've been wondering why I've been absent as of late, it's because I've been making it.

Justice?

Welcome back.

Could you post some examples of God's infinite justice from the Old Testament?

Is it justice to get what one deserves? Or is it justice to get what one does not deserve?

Who decides what one even deserves? What is grace if there is no justice? What is mercy, if there is no justice? Do we even need justice?

Can you show me where God was not consistently just?

If one deserves good "justly" and does not get it, then that (to us) is injustice and the story of Job, points out where Job did not get much justice at all. Those who died because of the little bet, got no justice whatsoever, other than their story was told. So it seems that justice for the most part was humans getting punished for doing wrong, and very few people got justice for doing right. The 3 Hebrews in Babylon allegedly walked through fire after disobeying the king and were spared their lives for doing righteousness in God's eyes.

To say though that we know what people deserve and do not deserve, does not prove that God is "unjust". We can only go by what was on "record". Humans hold to justice as being fair when it is blind and the facts are balanced. They do not like the fact that God is not blind, but knows who deserves justice and who does not deserve it. That is why they do not want a just God, nor do they want to accept that the record shows that He is a Just God or even that Justice truly exist.