Does praying really heal?

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An interesting piece I grabbed off sciam today. The matter is still very much open.


Flying Carpets and Scientific Prayers

Scientific experiments claiming that distant intercessory prayer produces salubrious effects are deeply flawed

By Michael Shermer

In late 1944, as he cajoled his flagging troops to defeat the Germans in the Battle of the Bulge, General George S. Patton turned to his chief chaplain for help.

Patton: Chaplain, I want you to publish a prayer for good weather. I'm tired of these soldiers having to fight mood and floods as well as Germans. See if we can't get God to work on our side.

Chaplain: Sir, it's going to take a pretty thick rug for that kind of praying.

Patton: I don't care if it takes the flying carpet. I want the praying done.

Although few attribute Patton's subsequent success to a divine miracle, a number of papers have been published in peer-reviewed scientific journals in recent years claiming that distant intercessory prayer leads to health and healing. These studies are fraught with methodological problems.

Suspicions of fraud. In 2001 the Journal of Reproductive Medicine published a study by three Columbia University researchers claiming that prayer for women undergoing in vitro fertilization resulted in a pregnancy rate of 50 percent, double that of women who did not receive prayer. ABC News medical correspondent Timothy Johnson cautiously enthused, "A new study on the power of prayer over pregnancy reports surprising results, but many physicians remain skeptical." One of those skeptics was from the University of California at Irvine, a clinical professor of gynecology and obstetrics named Bruce Flamm, who not only found numerous methodological errors in the experiment but also discovered that one of the study's authors, Daniel Wirth, a.k.a. John Wayne Truelove, is not an M.D. but an M.S. in parapsychology who has since been indicted on felony charges for mail fraud and theft, to which he has pled guilty. The other two authors have refused to comment, and after three years of inquiries from Flamm, the journal removed the study from its Web site, and Columbia University launched an investigation.

Scientific prayer makes God a celestial lab rat

Lack of controls. Many of these studies failed to control for such intervening variables as age, sex, education, ethnicity, socioeconomic status, marital standing, degree of religiosity and ignored the fact that most religions have sanctions against such insalubrious behaviors as sexual promiscuity, alcohol and drug abuse, and smoking. When such variables are controlled for, the formerly significant results disappear. One study on recovery from hip surgery in elderly women did not control for age; another study on church attendance and recovery from illness did not consider that people in poor health are less likely to attend church.

Outcome differences. In a highly publicized study of cardiac patients prayed for by born-again Christians, of 29 outcome variables measured only six showed a significant difference between the prayed-for and nonprayed-for groups. In related studies, different outcome measures were significant. To be meaningful, the same measures need to be significant across studies because if enough outcomes are measured, some will show significant correlations by chance.

Operational definitions. When experiments are carried out to determine the effects of prayer, what precisely is being studied? For example, what type of prayer is being employed? (Are Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist, Wiccan and shaman prayers equal?) Who or what is being prayed to? (Are God, Jesus and a universal life force equivalent?) What is the length and frequency of the prayer? (Are two 10-minute prayers equal to one 20-minute prayer?) How many people are praying, and does their status in the religion matter? (Is one priestly prayer identical to 10 parishioner prayers?) Most prayer studies either lack such operational definitions or lack consistency across studies in such definitions.

The ultimate fallacy is theological: if God is omniscient and omnipotent, he should not need to be reminded or inveigled into healing someone. Scientific prayer makes God a celestial lab rat, leading to bad science and worse religion.

link: http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?chanID=sa006&articleID=000F3258-4028-1179-B50383414B7FFE9F&colID=13


Thoughts?
 
I think it helps. But not the way religious people think. I think it is psychological; if you really believe it helps; it does. A bit similar to placebo's (fake drugs). People get cured by giving them an injection of salty water if they think it helps. The "placebo-effect".

Believing that prayer helps is a placebo for real medication.
 
Actually, if praying makes someone feel better, then it reduces stress which in turn boosts the immune system.
 
What to expect from a guy with the name Truelove??? Fraud!!!

btw: I'm curious to know if a research results said that people praying in Allah had a much greater percentage of healing than those praying to Christian God, would the Christians turn Muslims(because their God was a fraud) or vice versa?

Now, our brain is capable of incredible things, and can make something look like a miracle to those that believe to the supernatural. Thing is that most people need to believe to someone that has superior powers than themselfs, rather than believe in themselfs.
 
The world placebo magically popped into my mind the second I read the thread title. Having read the article, it's still there.
 
Michael Shermer (who's awesome) in this case refers to others praying for someone, and this could be controlled by telling others they would be prayed to, and then having swome prayed to and some not and observing the differences.

This is to discount the placebo effect as well as other effects that may hinder the process.
 
Rik Meleet said:
I think it helps. But not the way religious people think. I think it is psychological; if you really believe it helps; it does. A bit similar to placebo's (fake drugs). People get cured by giving them an injection of salty water if they think it helps. The "placebo-effect".

Believing that prayer helps is a placebo for real medication.
I would agree with Rik here since praying is realy the anceant forum of the placibo pill.
 
As an atheist, I think that spending money to study this sort of things is a waste of money. There may be some placebo effect, but that's it.
 
Praying helps just as much as tripping into a pool of acid. I don't need to pray to some invisible being in the sky. I simply tell myself I can get through it and repeat these words of Tupac Shakur in my head: "Remember one thing, after every dark night, there's a bright day after that. So no matter how hard it gets, stick your chest out, keep your head up, and handle it."
 
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