Dont cut people off

[Berzerker]

https://nypost.com/2018/06/05/road-rager-broke-womans-arm-in-horrifying-attack-cops/

This thug might be the driver you cut in front of... Well, not for a while. Hopefully he does a lengthy stretch in prison and wont be back out on the road any time soon.

My God, people suck... Sorry to generalize, but I saw plenty of road rage back in Los Angeles/Orange County when I drove for a living. One guy got so mad he pulled in front of me on the freeway and slammed on his brakes. My sin? He was in the left lane and headed right across multiple lanes for a 2 lane off ramp and I was in his way. Had I seen him coming in time I would have moved over but apparently I was responsible for his lack of planning ahead.

I dont think I want people carrying guns around... Make a mistake on the road and you could end up dead because some 'animal' cant control their temper. I'm tempted to buy a gun just so I can defend myself from a whacko with a blown fuse. Its too bad these women weren't packing heat.

 

[FriendlyFire]

I'm tempted to buy a gun just so I can defend myself from a whacko with a blown fuse.

That depends on if you are African American or Mexican /s
I think you could probably just drive around to avoid a physical confrontation, the problem is if they tail you to a red light and then pick a fight while traffic is stopped.
You probably should be more worried about road accidents then road rage though leading cause of death is people micro sleeping while driving.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

So they pulled over "to let him go by," but when he parked behind them and got out of his truck they didn't just drive off?

This isn't "victim blaming," this is just wondering what the victims were thinking since a simple solution to their problem seems really obvious.

 

[Berzerker]

Definitely would have drove off when he punched thru the back window, he left no doubt about his intentions at that point

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Definitely would have drove off when he punched thru the back window, he left no doubt about his intentions at that point

No doubt. Though I can't think of any questions they might have had about his intentions when he got out of his car. He wasn't going to ask for their names so he could submit them for a good driver award.

 

[Silurian]

So they pulled over "to let him go by," but when he parked behind them and got out of his truck they didn't just drive off?

This isn't "victim blaming," this is just wondering what the victims were thinking since a simple solution to their problem seems really obvious.

As you stated in another thread the number of very bad people like Barbeau is quite low.
They very likely did not assume that some nutter was going to attack them.
He got out of his pickup and attacked quickly.
They may not have had time to reevaluate the risk they faced until it was too late.

It may also possible that there was no immediate gap in the traffic to pull out into especially if he had parked his pickup so they could not see the approaching traffic.


From Oregon Live.

The hulking, 245-pound man hopped out his truck and rushed toward the women's car, shattering its rear window and left tail light with a flying fist, Stackhouse and Mann said.

Barbeau then darted over to the Kia's driver side window, which was rolled down, and snatched Stackhouse's right arm, she said. He began to bend and twist it until the arm snapped, she said.

http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-n...f/2018/06/oregon_man_snaps_womans_arm_kn.html

 

[Bugfatty300]

So they pulled over "to let him go by," but when he parked behind them and got out of his truck they didn't just drive off?

This isn't "victim blaming," this is just wondering what the victims were thinking since a simple solution to their problem seems really obvious.

These poor people apparently decided to stick around and try to reason with an enraged violent caveman. But if he's really out for blood then he'd immediately hop back in and then you'd be in a high speed chase. I've heard of them chasing people for miles and miles before they reached help, or worse.

If your car is small and fast then you let him approach to an arm's length before speeding off. That's an obvious trick for anyone who's seen COPS...the further he is from his vehicle, the better off you'll be at getting away. Be sure to refrain from turning your wheels until the last second. He'll see that you're getting ready to split. If your vehicle if is heavier and slower, then reverse full throttle into his motor and then speed off. If you're boxed in by traffic, then you take your chances on foot. If he puts himself anywhere in your line of travel then don't hesitate to run him over.

That's anti-kidnapping/carjacking strategy but it will probably work against a violent road rage nut.

 

[Akka]

I dont think I want people carrying guns around... Make a mistake on the road and you could end up dead because some 'animal' cant control their temper. I'm tempted to buy a gun just so I can defend myself from a whacko with a blown fuse. Its too bad these women weren't packing heat.

Or you can see it the other way : if the guy has had a gun, the women would perhaps be simply dead instead of beaten.

Also, [insert joke about how now, these women will be very cautious about not cutting anyone off in the futre].

Definitely would have drove off when he punched thru the back window, he left no doubt about his intentions at that point

More importantly, he was also proving he was able to break someone in two.
Seriously, punching through a car window with his bare hand ? The guy should have been a boxer instead. That's really impressive.

So they pulled over "to let him go by," but when he parked behind them and got out of his truck they didn't just drive off?

This isn't "victim blaming," this is just wondering what the victims were thinking since a simple solution to their problem seems really obvious.

I don't know about the USA, but here most of the time it ends up with just people yelling a lot at each others. They probably just expected such kind of verbal confrontation.

 

[civvver]

These poor people apparently decided to stick around and try to reason with an enraged violent caveman. But if he's really out for blood then he'd immediately hop back in and then you'd be in a high speed chase. I've heard of them chasing people for miles and miles before they reached help, or worse.

If your car is small and fast then you let him approach to an arm's length before speeding off. That's an obvious trick for anyone who's seen COPS...the further he is from his vehicle, the better off you'll be at getting away. Be sure to refrain from turning your wheels until the last second. He'll see that you're getting ready to split. If your vehicle if is heavier and slower, then reverse full throttle into his motor and then speed off. If you're boxed in by traffic, then you take your chances on foot. If he puts himself anywhere in your line of travel then don't hesitate to run him over.

That's anti-kidnapping/carjacking strategy but it will probably work against a violent road rage nut.

You don't have to drive fast and get away, just get to a police station, keep the doors locked. Unless the guy is willing to ram you off the road.

But alas this is why I basically cede to all the rude people on the roads and never use the horn except to get peoples attention like if they don't see me. Just the other day I was turning right to get onto a freeway on ramp and a guy drove straight from a stop sign across and cut me off. I just braked and let him go. My wife got mad and said you should honked at him, but what's the point? What's done is done, I saw him and just had to brake a little.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

But alas this is why I basically cede to all the rude people on the roads and never use the horn except to get peoples attention like if they don't see me. Just the other day I was turning right to get onto a freeway on ramp and a guy drove straight from a stop sign across and cut me off. I just braked and let him go. My wife got mad and said you should honked at him, but what's the point? What's done is done, I saw him and just had to brake a little.

I would just like to point out that under the California Vehicle Code the only legal use of your horn is to get someone's attention when they don't see you. The idea that it is a clever way to tell someone to eff off from the safety of your little steel box is specifically NOT legal.

Meanwhile, you are absolutely correct about cat/dog theory. The only way to lead a high speed chase is to run at high speed. The dog always says they only chased the cat because it was running. Drive normally, get a license plat number, and make the reasonable assumption that despite what you see in movies nobody is going to pit maneuver you; doing massive sheet metal rearrangement on their own car that their insurance is not going to pay for.

Personally, I have little doubt that the woman didn't really pull over "to let him go by" and wasn't sitting there with her window open intending to "reason with the nutter." She didn't drive off because she was waiting for him to get close enough so she could "give him a piece of her mind" and is only upset because he took a piece of her arm instead. The world is full of people who think they can be aggressively hostile to any degree they want to be, short of violence, and people who don't impose some sort of false barrier between violence and other aggressive behaviors are "nutters."

 

[Lexicus]

I would just like to point out that under the California Vehicle Code the only legal use of your horn is to get someone's attention when they don't see you.

This is also true in the District of Columbia, I would be surprised if it were not true anywhere in the US.

 

[Berzerker]

No doubt. Though I can't think of any questions they might have had about his intentions when he got out of his car. He wasn't going to ask for their names so he could submit them for a good driver award.

The guy's aggressive driving would have freaked me out enough to drive off, but the possibility he was trying to stop me because of something seriously wrong with my car would have entered my mind. Somebody once did chase after me for that very reason, but I cant remember why now.

These poor people apparently decided to stick around and try to reason with an enraged violent caveman. But if he's really out for blood then he'd immediately hop back in and then you'd be in a high speed chase. I've heard of them chasing people for miles and miles before they reached help, or worse.

If your car is small and fast then you let him approach to an arm's length before speeding off. That's an obvious trick for anyone who's seen COPS...the further he is from his vehicle, the better off you'll be at getting away. Be sure to refrain from turning your wheels until the last second. He'll see that you're getting ready to split. If your vehicle if is heavier and slower, then reverse full throttle into his motor and then speed off. If you're boxed in by traffic, then you take your chances on foot. If he puts himself anywhere in your line of travel then don't hesitate to run him over.

That's anti-kidnapping/carjacking strategy but it will probably work against a violent road rage nut.

Some guy (was it Florida or Texas?) was in a pick up with wife and kid when someone pulled up behind him in traffic at a stop light (no where to go). The 2nd driver came up to his window to express his anger and said he was gonna shoot him and went back to his car. The guy in the pick up threw it in reverse and drove up onto the guy's car, the collision and weight deformed his car enough to jam the door and the cops showed up and arrested him.

Or you can see it the other way : if the guy has had a gun, the women would perhaps be simply dead instead of beaten.

I usually have my golf clubs in the back seat, so it'd be better for me if no one had a gun in their vehicle.

More importantly, he was also proving he was able to break someone in two.
Seriously, punching through a car window with his bare hand ? The guy should have been a boxer instead. That's really impressive.

Indeed, I learned a while ago not to punch things when I got mad when a bolt or nut drops down onto the under carriage of the car I'm working on.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

The guy's aggressive driving would have freaked me out enough to drive off, but the possibility he was trying to stop me because of something seriously wrong with my car would have entered my mind. Somebody once did chase after me for that very reason, but I cant remember why now.

I routinely close the dog leash in the back hatch. It keeps the dogs from reaching the front seat and assisting me with my driving. So I have people trying to get across to me that I have a dog leash hanging out the back pretty regularly. I can't imagine someone in the throes of road rage successfully imitating the kind of behavior those people present. They don't tailgate. Sometimes they flash their lights, but they don't blast highbeams at me (though I don't take the dogs out in the car at night much of ever, so that doesn't really apply). Mostly they pull up behind me at a stop sign and tap their horn and wave their arms like they are on Gilligan's island and see a plane...or they wait until I am on a bigger street and get up alongside so they can smile and wave a lot.

BTW...a lot of car rear glass has substantial curvature, and that creates a lot of stress in the tempering. If you can create any additional flex it will explode from internal stresses in a very satisfactory display. Big glass, like in most hatchbacks, is pretty easy.

 

[Berzerker]

Thats true, this guy was right on their tail...

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Thats true, this guy was right on their tail...

Road ragers always are. I'm not trying to put down what you said before. I just wanted you to think about it for a minute and knew you would agree that there's little chance of mistaking a road rager for someone who wants to helpfully tell you that you have a low tire or whatever.

 

[Hygro]

People who don’t let in other drivers on purpose are the worst people in the world.

 

[Commodore]

People who don’t let in other drivers on purpose are the worst people in the world.

Perhaps, but the law is on their side. You have a right to your lane and have no obligation to yield to anyone trying to merge or change lanes.

 

[Berzerker]

well, I have egg on my face

https://nypost.com/2018/06/12/charges-in-road-rage-attack-dropped-over-terrible-lie/

Charges were dropped against a man accused of hurting two women in a horrific road-rage attack after Oregon prosecutors found too many holes in the victims’ stories — and that they had a history of apparently faking injuries in other vehicular incidents.

My apologies Mr Barbeau

 

[Silurian]

Well I don't think you have egg on your face.

I assume you made the post above when you found these two people were untrust worthy.

 

[Broken_Erika]

Perhaps, but the law is on their side. You have a right to your lane and have no obligation to yield to anyone trying to merge or change lanes.

Unless they happen to be a city bus; Around here anyway...