Double Your Pleasure

on the topic of names: I do not want to name a unit after one particular vessel, such as the Hunley or the Nautilus. That would be like naming the aircraft carriers the Enterprise.

lloydy, that is not a bad idea. I am extending the contest a few more days and expanding the scope to include possible new names for the WWII style submarine. We already have a Nuclear Sub for the late modern age. So nuclear sub will not work, besides we are dealing with the WWII versions of the Submarine.
 
http://www.geocities.com/kuk_u27/
call the new submarine this: "U27"

here are photo's: http://www.geocities.com/kuk_u27/fotos.html

technical specs: http://www.geocities.com/kuk_u27/daten.html

and here it's curiculum vitae: http://www.geocities.com/kuk_u27/llauf.html

this submarine is a historical vessel..and top art of european technologie during the WWI...some say it'll be the best in the world at this time./

what I would like to see though would be a WWII submarine for germany, the types are here: http://home.t-online.de/home/041656556-0001/utypen.htm

you can read all about any uboot that was ever in german military or developed by it including technical specs etcetera

I personally would say: rename any new submarine like: U995, because these were the "grauen W?lfe", or other know them by: Rudeltaktik. English people who don't speak german often say: "The wolfpack". this was actually the most succesfull employment of submarines by any nation. the only reason the Wolfpack did not succeed was because of the fact that the production of USA at WWII was as big as double the produktion of the rest of the world together. statistically these were what the allied had to face: To take down 1 single U995 the allies needed 25Warships and 100airplanes. the U995 deserves to be in Civilization because this was the most succesfull in u-boat history.
that's my opinion on the name for a U-boat :))
 
Originally posted by Kal-el
on the topic of names: I do not want to name a unit after one particular vessel, such as the Hunley or the Nautilus. That would be like naming the aircraft carriers the Enterprise.
Well, if they had been more succesful, I'm sure they would have been model types rather than just names of the individual vessels (the Prototypes). Actually, I'm not sure whether or not there were more than one "Hunley", but I'm rather positive that there were more than one "Davids". :)
 
Ok, I posted the fix for Unit bugs to the DyP website. This patch only fixes unit files issues, and that means you can continue your savegames after installing this patch

Hopefully, it will even fix any problems you've previously had, so if you have buggy savegames lying around, try them out with this installed.

The patch is called: Version 0.87 and is only 200kb.

Changelog

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v.0.8.7
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Fixed potential crash issues for the following units:
- Armor
- Barbarian Raider
- Barbarian Rider
- Champion
- Crossbowman
- Engineer
- Laborer
- Longboat
- Secret Agent
- SpecOps
- Swordsman

That should be it (fortunately).

@mrgenie: Sorry, didn't get to try out your savegame yet, but will do when I get home tonight - however it is quite possible that it's the editing of the Specialist Citizens that causes the crash, like Bamspeedy said. :(
 
well, it doesn't help on my savegame, but then again..I'm very questioning if it is the modpack at all...I think it's just because wther my computer had a major crash just before the 0.86 release or it's just that I changed something in the BIC which I should not change :)) anyway thanks for the help!
 
On the subject of early sub naming, I vote for Submersible. Yes, it's a general name, but you probably wouldn't be using it for very long in the game anyway.
 
I like the Submersible name as well. I think you are are trying to get a general name and this one seems to fit the bill.
 
Ok, if not Nautilus, then Submersible sounds good. Sounds rickety enough for an early submarine.

Daniel
 
I think submersible is too much a virtual name..i don't know exactly how to say it in english, but it sounds like a fake. like a toy.. something children play with. :)))
 
Well, I think that's what they called the things back when they made them.
 
Submersible
quoted from infoplease
submersible, small, mobile undersea research vessel capable of functioning in the ocean depths. Development of a great variety of submersibles during the later 1950s and 1960s came about as a result of improved technology and in response to a demonstrated need for the capability to send man into the ocean depths to make direct observations and measurements, to recover lost equipment, and for possible rescue activity. Submersibles are constructed in a variety of sizes and shapes and are designed to perform different and often highly specialized tasks. All contain a crew compartment within a pressure hull, life support systems, power sources, and sensors (lights, cameras, sonar hydrophones). Some also have mechanical arms (manipulators) that enable the crew to collect samples and perform other modest tasks outside the vessel.

Most modern submersibles are descendants of the first diving sphere (bathysphere), developed in the 1930s, and the more mobile submarine, which cannot operate at great depths. The inherent danger in a bathysphere was its inability to surface on its own accord, being raised and lowered by a winch system on a surface vessel. In 1954 one of the first types of submersible, the bathyscaphe, was designed and successfully tested by the Belgian scientist Auguste Piccard to overcome this problem and to provide limited maneuverability. A bathyscaphe is in effect an underwater balloon. The cabin is suspended beneath a large flotation chamber that contains gasoline and iron pellets. Submersion is accomplished by release of some gasoline, rendering the craft heavier than water. To rise, some of the iron-shot ballast is released. A second model of the bathyscaphe, called the Trieste II, carried two men to a record-breaking depth of 35,800 ft (10,900 m) at the bottom of the Marianas Trench in 1960.

One of the most impressive submersibles is the Aluminaut, constructed of high strength aluminum alloys and able to operate at 15,000 ft (4,570 m) carrying a crew of six. The Alvin, operated by Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution, is capable of diving to depths of 13,000 ft (3,960 m) with a crew of three and, like the Aluminaut, is equipped with mechanical arms. In 1974 the Alvin and two French submersibles, the Archimède and Cyana, were used in a joint French-American venture, project FAMOUS (for French-American Mid-Ocean Undersea Study), to learn more about seafloor spreading. The Alvin was also used to photograph and retrieve objects from the Titanic after its discovery in 1987.
Infoplease.com

Submarine
Also quoted from infoplease
The first submarine used in combat (1776) was invented in 1773 by David Bushnell, an American. This vessel was a small, egg-shaped craft constructed of wood and operated by one man who turned a propeller. The vessel was submerged by admitting water, and it was surfaced by forcing out the water with a hand pump. Many of Bushnell's principles were later used by Robert Fulton for the construction of his Nautilus, a submarine successfully operated (1800–1801) on the Seine River and at Le Havre. On one occasion the inventor remained submerged for 6 hr, receiving air through a tube that extended to the surface. Later Fulton devised and used a spherical tank of compressed air to replenish the air in the submarine. This device, horizontal rudders, the screw to keep water out during submerged operation, and other features of Fulton's submersible vessel made it a forerunner of the modern submarine. In the U.S. Civil War the Confederates used several submersible craft, all named David, fitted with a mine at the end of a spar that protruded from the bow. In 1864 one of these craft destroyed a Union vessel in Charleston harbor but was itself lost with its crew.

The development of the modern submarine in the United States was advanced considerably by the work of John Holland and Simon Lake. One of Holland's submarines was propelled on the surface by a gasoline engine and by electric motors powered by storage batteries when submerged. The craft was 54 ft (16 m) long and had a top speed of 6 knots and a crew of six. In 1900 it became the U.S. Navy's first submarine. Holland's efforts were especially important in the development of submergence by water ballast and of horizontal rudders for diving. Lake's Argonaut, built in 1897, became the first submarine to navigate extensively in the open sea when it made (1898) a trip through heavy storms from Norfolk, Va., to New York City. However, the Argonaut was not accepted by the U.S. Navy, and it was not until several European governments had made use of Lake's talents that the U.S. government employed him.

In 1912, E-boats, the first U.S. diesel-engine submarines, were launched. They were 135 ft (41 m) long, had a crew of 23, and were the first to cross the Atlantic. Development continued, and in World War I submarines were for the first time used extensively by both sides. The Germans used 200-ton submarines (U-boats), and later they employed 2,100-ton craft armed with as many as 19 torpedoes. To halt the heavy destruction of shipping by these U-boats the Allied powers resorted to depth charges, Q-ships (armed vessels disguised as merchantmen), and escorted convoys. With the crucial additions of sonar (which uses high-frequency sound waves to find submarines through echo tracking) and radar-equipped air escorts (often carried on small aircraft carriers) these defenses were also used in World War II.

A typical U.S. Navy submarine in World War II was a 300-ft (91-m) craft of 1,450 tons displacement and had a crew of 55. It ran on diesel engines (while surfaced) at a speed of up to 17 knots and on electric motors (while submerged) at a speed of up to 8 knots. The ship was armed with one 3-in. (7.6-cm) dual-purpose gun, several light automatic weapons, and 10 21-in. (53-cm) torpedo tubes. A periscope is an integral part of every submarine. It extends up through the water and by a mirror arrangement provides the observer below with a view of the surface of the sea. Similar in appearance but totally different in purpose is the snorkel apparatus first employed by the Germans and now in general use. It admits air but not water and, by supplying a flow of fresh air and an outlet for foul air, makes it possible for a submarine to remain submerged for as much as nine tenths of a voyage.

In World War II the Allies and neutrals lost some 4,770 ships to submarines mostly German U-boats; Axis submarines were a significant strategic threat until late in the war. U.S. submarines sank over 550 Japanese ships. Submarines were also used to insert commandos in enemy territory and for rescue operations. The Germans and Japanese exchanged military plans, equipment, and precious metals by submarine as well.

With the advent of atomic power, the submarine underwent major changes in propulsion and striking power. In the nuclear-powered submarine an atomic reactor generates heat that drives a high-speed turbine engine. The first nuclear-powered submarine was the U.S. Nautilus, completed in 1954. Atomic submarines, with underwater speeds of above 30 knots, can remain submerged for almost unlimited periods of time and have circumnavigated the globe without surfacing. In 1960 the U.S.S. George Washington was the first submarine to fire a missile from a submerged position. The development of atomic submarines capable of launching missiles without surfacing has greatly expanded the role of the submarine; its mission is no longer restricted to the destruction of ships (including other submarines), but it now also has the role of firing guided missiles (nuclear or conventional) at land targets deep inside an enemy's borders, as U.S. submarines did during the Persian Gulf War.
Infoplease.com

I think it would be cool if there were a separate submarine made available around WW2 that allowed the transportation of foot units, or allow all submarines to carry foot soldiers. see the commando quote above.
 
yeah, kinda neavy seal submarine :)) that'll be a cool thing..deploy spec forces by using a non visible submarine vessel :))) though i think, a big attack by nukes is more effective! disableing the nukes would be a good thing,,,I hate the nukes...they're not strategic...it's just a matter who has the most
 
Originally posted by lloydy
Just to throw a spanner in the works on the Early Submarine issue... How about calling the Early Submarine ... Submarine, and thinking of a new name for the modern version... Nuclear Submarine, etc. Just a thought before (my) bedtime. Thought there might be more choices of names for modern versions. Correct me if I'm wrong...

I completely forgot..the way Kal-el's got it set up now, there are three subarines (so much for my suggestions to add another submarine unit :lol: )...so calling Early Submarine 'submarine' would give two Subs with the same name...Unless if Kal-el wanted to get rid of the 'Early submarine' entirely :(

AFAIK, 'early submarine' are the Hunley-esque things, 'Submarine' is WWI/WWII material, and 'Nuclear Submarine' is your modern sub-water vessel...

As for names, I found a great article from Popular Mechanics, http://popularmechanics.com/science/military/2000/7/100_years_subs/index.phtml

From page 2:
Conditions aboard these boats weren't very different from living in a minivan with a dozen of your closest friends. The squalor below deck earned these early submarines the nickname "pig boats."


So, my latest vote's for "pig boat" :cool:

(Despite the fact there are already about 6 votes for submersible, and both "pig boat" and "turtle boat" only have one vote, mine... :( )

Regards,
.....Dingocat85
 
I may have come across an bug in 0.87.

When I try and disband a unit from the city screen the game crashes, this happened twice last night when i was playing 0.87 and I can't remember it happening on any other version.

I can't remember what the first unti i disbanded was but the second was a Grunt (the first might have been as well)
 
Is there any interest in a savegame page/forum thing on the webpage?
I think along the lines of one page for troublesome savegames (currently e-mailed to Isak)
and another for interesting savegames like: "I have 200 Nukes and ready for war" or "Big seabattle about to take place" etc

It will not be possible to make that before this week-end anyway because I am getting married this saturday (28-sep) and my wife2be have zero tolerence in regards to computertime before that :-)

But please give feedback.
 
LOL, gratz to you..I guess my wife is more liberally, she always calls me a child and says children have to play computer games :)))
 
hmmm, a forum for savegames would be good..but I think it should be restricted to the buggy games and not just games for fun like 200nukes, because I think this belongs to the scenario fileforum..and that already exists .
 
Originally posted by mrgenie
hmmm, a forum for savegames would be good..but I think it should be restricted to the buggy games and not just games for fun like 200nukes, because I think this belongs to the scenario fileforum..and that already exists .

It exist here, but I was thinking DyP related savegames.
Sometimes I feel like playing scenariotyped games, but I need the special units, wonders etc for this special mod.
It could also be benificial to have samegames for testing special settings and the like.
 
yeah, you're right on that, but how we know what type of savegame you need to test special settings? :)) I surely would like to help you guys, you made the civilization twice as good with this modpack...or maybe tripple as good....but on the developping thing i think I, and also many others, don't know what you're doing there! so we're also unable to tell for which "settings testing" a savegame would be good.
 
Originally posted by mrgenie
yeah, you're right on that, but how we know what type of savegame you need to test [.....] we're also unable to tell for which "settings testing" a savegame would be good.

Good point.
Thanks for the feedback
 
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