Doughnut Files Term 7 - 9

Perhap Azza has a point ... maybe we should change the name to not unduly advertise its nature.

We can change the name without advertising it as KISS will not know it's name (I doubt they have traversed this section of Battle Isle) and Nuts will see for themselves.

We should discuss this in Domestic
 
Fe - just want to make sure that you saw the work on did on creating some official treaty documents? (previous page)
I know it can be easy to miss things in the flurry of activity.

Also - I'll post my comments on the city name in the Domestic Department... wow - I just got up here, and I've missed alot!
 
I did and thank sfor the effort ... I am happy with most of it ... :thumbsup:

but wanted to save the actual tech details for when we hear back as to what option Nut's choose ... as this will probably require a bit of editing.

I am wondering if they are able to research Metalurgy and Military Tradition by the stipulated timeframe.

But apart from that ... it is good :D
 
Let's just not let this drag on - we missed getting the deal closed before Dnuts finding out we had Banking and Astronomy, but I think we want Dnut's seal on something before they realize we only took 4 turns on Chemistry.

I'm not saying we have to do something right now, but let's stay on top of this.
 
I was hoping that if we sent them a formal document, it might put some slight psycological pressue on them to just "sign it as it is"

I agree with Chamnix - the sooner this gets done - the better.
It should also distract them from talking about our recent settlement too much! :thumbsup:

It's your call, but from my pov - the sooner the better.
 
This came in ... :mad:

For the finer points and whatnot, talk to Robi. I am merely interested in the investigation of Mezza, for which I have already indicated I would pay you, coming this turn. Please indicate the results to us immediately. That way we will tolerate a city on our land; we are not trading for silks since they are "ours."

Sorry for the harsh tone,
Killer

I want to send

Dear Killer

Yes it was indeed extremely harsh and offensive, in fact we were shocked by your reaction and the tone.

We received a hastily written note titled ... could you investigate TNT's silk city for us?
We will add the gold it costs in on our deal. I see you are beating us to the city anyways. Mezzanote I think is its name.

We outlined our position post haste I might add, on being neutral in this scenario and expected you to respect our stance or at the very least be civil in disagreement.

We were open in our response which clearly and succinctly outlined that our intentions in no way were taking a resource away from you. In fact as stated in the letter, we were urgently securing our own supply and preventing KISS from obtaining either own through either direct action or extortion. Our intentions should have been self evident in the letter, especially if you had properly read the section dealing with the saltpeter resource we saw nearby. If you take but a moment and breath deeply you will find that the Doughnuts benefit greatly with what we propose.

How do we interpret
we are not trading for silks since they are "ours."
if you are implying that because this luxury is situated (in an area which was at one time quite recently considered an unclaimed zone) on your continent, it automatically belongs to you and that we should give freely the spare silk then you are sadly and foolishly mistaken. We have been outright accommodating in our dealings with you and find it laudable that a civilization in the position that you find yourselves claim an entire continent, especially since KISS has already started a forced colonisation campaign, will you be charging them rent?

Please recall also, that we were invited to partake of the TNT extinction and have chosen this method of involvement. We were also invited to align with TNT and attack you while you were distracted and militarily weakened, but we chose not to.

It was to prevent this type of over reaction that our latest explanationary notice was posted. If your own foreign service was swifter to deal with outstanding issues this would never have become one.

Regarding your tone, perhaps in future you should leave the diplomacy to those instructed in this more subtle of arts. I personally take great offence in that you are bullying an ally in this manner, an ally I might add that will ensure a technology lead for your team. Also considering that you would have been aware a settler was precent, why did you not expand your note? I took your sentence to mean that we had beaten you to secure some silk, and was indeed a grudging congratulation. If this was not the case, you should have relayed matters on the subject instructions clearer and certainly been less aggressive. As to the stance that they are 'your' silks, I will point out that there a two more available. If you had bothered to ask you would also have found out that we would not be building culture in 'our' silk city unless you agreed, which will allow you to settle your own supply.

In lieu of this, I therefore request an urgent meeting (AIM chat) with your foreign minister to discuss this matter.


Regards

Feaurius III
MIA

I say call thier bluff ... I will certainly not be bullied into something that we (or I) have indicated we were not prepared to do.

I will hold for thoughts ... however I will not send an appology lap dog letter !!!! So any reworking will be on sentance flow and perhaps a slight toning down.

Reason - I think Robi will be less aggressive and appologys and compromises can be made during the chat ... we are in a position of power here ... Nuts think they can play KISS and us ... I will not allow us to be used like this ... if it comes down to it ... We will extend a KISS peace and that will give us time to take out Nuts.
 
Speaking of the subtle art of diplomacy… ;)

I would be going nuclear if Dnuts had settled that same location on our Island in the midst of treaty negotiations. I’m amazed that the Dnuts have reacted as calmly as they have, personally. I defy anyone else on this team to say that if the situation was reversed they would be taking this calmly.

We got our way, we got the city by the silks – we beat them by 2 turns. I think we can afford to be nice in the war of words… and be accommodating on helping them take Mezzonite Keep.

I feel bad for TNT – but let’s not waste our time on being kind to a dying team that we haven’t promised anything too anyway. Let’s keep good relations with the living, breathing, and still useful.
 
Sorry man ... if they think they can hold an auction between us and KISS for their services they are mistaken ...

The intel is irrelivant at this stage as we have already had our turn and it can be discussed in a chat ... I am pissed with their note being over the top and especially that line about all silks are theirs ...

I think it is good to react strongly initially ... I will only sent it to Robi ... but let's move on it guys 5.00pm atm in Australia !!!!
 
Sorry team I made an executive decision ... I am Foreign Minister after all :salute:

I have only sent it to Robi_D, but I'm not waiting for the globe to spin on this

Title ... Diplomat to Diplomat
Hi Robi

I wanted to send this to you before I do anything official it is my initial reaction to an abrupt note responding to killer ... but send to you while my team get around to responding (they are all yanks) and probably altering and watering down to some inoffensive fluff.

We need to chat asap !!!!! ... as this letter swapping is slowing things down and being left behind by the game !!!

If we had chatted or you had responded to last messages we would have addressed this whole scenario prior to killer going all ignorant barbarian on it ...

Cheers Fe.


This is what I posted and now await responces.
This came in ... :mad:

For the finer points and whatnot, talk to Robi. I am merely interested in the investigation of Mezza, for which I have already indicated I would pay you, coming this turn. Please indicate the results to us immediately. That way we will tolerate a city on our land; we are not trading for silks since they are "ours."

Sorry for the harsh tone,
Killer

I want to send

Dear Killer

Yes it was indeed extremely harsh and offensive, in fact we were shocked by your reaction and the tone.

We received a hastily written note titled ... could you investigate TNT's silk city for us?
We will add the gold it costs in on our deal. I see you are beating us to the city anyways. Mezzanote I think is its name.

We outlined our position post haste I might add, on being neutral in this scenario and expected you to respect our stance or at the very least be civil in disagreement.

We were open in our response which clearly and succinctly outlined that our intentions in no way were taking a resource away from you. In fact as stated in the letter, we were urgently securing our own supply and preventing KISS from obtaining either own through either direct action or extortion. Our intentions should have been self evident in the letter, especially if you had properly read the section dealing with the saltpeter resource we saw nearby. If you take but a moment and breath deeply you will find that the Doughnuts benefit greatly with what we propose.

How do we interpret
we are not trading for silks since they are "ours."
if you are implying that because this luxury is situated (in an area which was at one time quite recently considered an unclaimed zone) on your continent, it automatically belongs to you and that we should give freely the spare silk then you are sadly and foolishly mistaken. We have been outright accommodating in our dealings with you and find it laudable that a civilization in the position that you find yourselves claim an entire continent, especially since KISS has already started a forced colonisation campaign, will you be charging them rent?

Please recall also, that we were invited to partake of the TNT extinction and have chosen this method of involvement. We were also invited to align with TNT and attack you while you were distracted and militarily weakened, but we chose not to.

It was to prevent this type of over reaction that our latest explanationary notice was posted. If your own foreign service was swifter to deal with outstanding issues this would never have become one.

Regarding your tone, perhaps in future you should leave the diplomacy to those instructed in this more subtle of arts. I personally take great offence in that you are bullying an ally in this manner, an ally I might add that will ensure a technology lead for your team. Also considering that you would have been aware a settler was precent, why did you not expand your note? I took your sentence to mean that we had beaten you to secure some silk, and was indeed a grudging congratulation. If this was not the case, you should have relayed matters on the subject instructions clearer and certainly been less aggressive. As to the stance that they are 'your' silks, I will point out that there a two more available. If you had bothered to ask you would also have found out that we would not be building culture in 'our' silk city unless you agreed, which will allow you to settle your own supply.

In lieu of this, I therefore request an urgent meeting (AIM chat) with your foreign minister to discuss this matter.


Regards

Feaurius III
MIA
 
Robi replied
Robi D said:
For the last couple of days i have been unable to log into AIM for some unknown reason. I'm able to connect to anything else but not AIM. Hopefully its just a glitch, i have sent an email to the technical people running the service.

Don't mind killer, he just seems to have an aggressive style when it comes to diplomacy


I sent
fe3333au said:
Thanks for responce ... if I were to send the letter as is, you guys would freak though wouldn't you?

Perhaps you should muzzle this dog ;)
 
I followed up with this as I am unsure of our next step

So regarding killers' reply ... what is the next step ... as I don't want to waste my or my team's time in replying to his aggressive and terse reply.

Do we respond officially?

Do we wait for you to respond to us regarding the explaination I previously and swiftly sent?

Should in future, I only send to you and not also to Nut's g-mail?

We are still wanting confirmation of what tech payment option you are choosing for Banking then we can send it to you and more importantly send the official documentation for you to attach your team's seal.

Finally how old is killer, can I make a youth allowance? ... and is he your leader?

cheers
 
Will send this very soon Sent to Robi's PM and Nut's g-mail


Title ... Official Foreign Department Responce
Dear Doughnut Government

Firstly congratulations on the Chocolate Pyramid, this should really help in out settling KISS. :salute:

We notice the presence of your mounted warriors within the cultural zone of our newest city, in the spirit of being new allies we will allow them the curtesy to stay for now. We assume that the polite request to remain inside was lost in flight somewhere as formal manners are one thing that we have never been able to fault with the Nutters.

We therefore respectfully request another note be sent outlining your intentions with these units, of particular interest is the duration of stay within our borders as we have, like you to us in the past, a requirement that both teams respect each others borders.

Under instruction by your MIA diplomat, we have been instructed to ignore and dismiss the very last message sent by your Turn Taker. Robi_D and I are also in the process of discussing the overall MIA/Nut scenario on an 'official' diplomatic level (we are waiting for his AIM to be fixed before we can chat) as there are many issues to discuss.


Sincerely

Feaurius III
MIA Foreign Minister

Smart Wonder to snap up for them :thumbsup:

It will very much speed up the settlement of Battle Isle ... negating KISS in the short term and becoming a formidible third power in the long term.

In lieu of this, we will have to watch them very carefully !!!
 
Got this from MIA representative

Robi D said:
I've posted your offical reply, explaining your actions. Not sure how old killer is, but i get the impression it early 20's and i should hopefully have solved my AIM problem

Regarding entering D-Nut territory with Knight ... I say go for it. Nut's have shown a total disregard in this matter, (perhaps it is the reason that KISS has opted not to continue to be as close to them) I feel we have to assert ourselves that is why I am making an issue.

Better to know now how they react than to be caught later in some double dealing scheme. It will give us time to make contingency plans if required.
 
:agree:

I don't get a vote either - but for what it's worth, I already feel like we're being pretty antagonistic. I'd rather just walk around their borders.
 
Just saw it has been moved so I have sent this.

Title ... Breathing the Fresh Mountain Air
To our Doughnut friends

We have moved a knight onto a mountain that overlooks a city of yours. We mean no disrespect and are just passing through as we are sure your units are in our borders. ;)

If you want us to move out of your territory please contact us through diplomatic channels and we will be only too happy to adhere to your wishes. Our plans are to move south so we would appreciate the option of moving directly, however it is your call and we will fully understand if you wish us to take a non-direct route.

I did recieve a note through AIM from Robi, however I was not near the computer at the time and missed it.

I look forward to discussing all outstanding matters very soon and will be sending a document very soon.

Sincerely

Feaurius III
MIA Foreign Minister

Sent to Robi and g-mail

I will say this, although some (I suspect) disagree with my recent interaction ... I appreciate that the team is allowing my lead in this. :salute:

Also, although I know I don't have to say this but ... any strong disagreement will be noted and no offence taken ... and I am always open to alternative suggestions on action. :D
 
I have sent the agreement as penned by Gen_W to g-mail.

Feel that it is well past the time for some positive interaction :)

Titled ... Draft Agreement Document
Dear Nuts

I attach three pages for you to discuss and comment ... this is a draft and will probably change and be added to ... but thought I'd get the ball rolling.

Cheers MIA

Sorry Rob I don't have your e-mail.

and to Robi_D PM
Check your g-mail for draft of agreement - fe :D
 
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