Doviello question

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I'm at school, so I can't look up the exact civilopedia entry, but I remember reading something like this over the weekend.

"Doviello carry only crude weapons into battle, because they are intended to be temporary, only used until they can access their favored weapons, the dead (or sometimes not quite dead) bodies of friends and foes, instilling terror etc etc etc."


Thing is, an adult human body weighs 160-180 pounds. In a medieval setting, where nutrition and health probably aren't up to modern standards, it might be 140-160 or so. Even the heaviest two handed weapons designed for battle (not those silly ceremonial weapons) rarely weigh more than ten pounds. Plus, human bodies are simply too soft (before rigor mortis sets in) and unweildy to be tremendously effective weapons, not unless the weilder is inhumanly strong.


So are the Doviello super-strong? I was uner the impression they were just tundra barbarians. Is this some sort of elite unit that does this? Do they dismember the bodies and attack with clubs made of arms and legs?


Sorry if the morbidity disturbs anyone.
 
Only the Doviello Berserkers use the bodies of slain/half-slain foes as a weapon to spread terror and to club their victims to death. We might assume that Berserkers are exceptionally strong specimen of their race and that they choose smaller foes as living clubs.

Moreover we need to understand that the real weapon is not the body but the horror. The 'human club' is supposed to be still alive when he gets uplifted and thrashed on his neighbour in the ranks. Therefore the 'club' is supposed to scream .. alot.

But frankly speaking I had the same thought, simply because Vikings or Aztecs who were certainly very much advanced in using horror as a weapon never did anything similiar. Certainly because of the practical issues that you have mentioned.
(I mean even a strong artist in a circus can lift and swing a young tiny lady only a couple of minutes, not mention the hours of a real battle).

Therefore lets just declare this particular 'weapon' as belonging to the realms of fantasy and dark legends ..
 
The Doviello are considerably larger that normal humans, from the AOI entry for Belenus I think... And ten pounds? I think that would be a bit low for say six feet of metal...
 
Ten pounds got me wondering too. Hell handgun is just a bit less than 10 pounds.

But consider this as well:

Doviello are superhumanly strong.
Doviello berserker's even more so ;)
There are spell and potions that can increase their strength during battle as well.
And they enter unnatural rage during battle, giving them even more strength.
 
That entry is a part of a much larger story. Here is a bit more of the excert for context:

“Even a cow should have enough sense not to fall in a hole!” Kamun yelled down into the thin ravine. The cow was terrified, the fall had been hard and the group of men that had gathered to rope her and pull her out was adding to her fear.

Kamun continued to yell. The cow would avoid the ropes and fight with anyone they tried to lower down to tie them off. Saverous sat away from the men, he couldn't help now, but they would need him when they were ready to pull her out.

Kamun's young daughter had been staring at Saverous all morning. She was all of six years old and the sight of a man over 9 foot tall, with dark gray skin covered with rust colored tattoos was something she wasn't used to. The tattoos weren't anything she recognized, no pictures of anything from this world, just glyphs and symbols. But even a six year could tell that they were evil. Saverous tried to cover the ones on his arms with his shirt.

With her father's attention fully on the cow she slipped over, pretending to gather some of the small flowers that were growing at the ravines edge. She came close enough that she could talk to Saverous without her father hearing, but stayed out of his arms reach. She was curious, but still scared.

“Are you a man?” she asked. The question took Saveorus by surprise. He was used to being asked where the tattoos came from, or why he was so tall. This question was much more direct.

“I am a man, but I am definitely not from around here.” Saverous answered, and she rewarded him with a small smile.

“I'm from the Pilgante hills, where they call my people the Doviello, or the Tusk Hillsman. Have you ever heard of the Tusk Hillsman?” She shook her head no.

He went on to tell her about the family nature of his tribes, how they were all much larger then the Bannor and known for being good hunters. He didn't tell her what were even more renown for, their skill as warriors.

The Doviello carry crude weapons into battle, a throwing rock bigger than a man’s head or a stout branch. They use these makeshift weapons because they are temporary. The first opponent killed became the weapon of choice. Grabbed by the ankles they would be swung like a meaty flail. Blood sprayed over opponents and every swing would lose more and more of the corpse until another was needed to replace the first. At this point in the battle the “weapons” were always readily available. Occasionally an opponent would be grabbed while still alive. The effect of being beaten by a bloody body that was screaming at you while it happened is traumatizing to even the most hardened warrior. Few armies were willing to face even a few hundred Doviello.

But instead the giant man and the girl talked about the wild Yak that roamed the Pilgante hills, the flowers and birds. He told her about the games the Doviello children played. She smiled, laughed and told him about the games she is going to play with her new baby sister, when she is older.

Kamun looked over and seemed to be about to warn his daughter away. The concern flashed briefly across his face but he fought it back, seeing her smiling and his face softened.

“Are you ready to put those tree sized arms to work?”

Saverous replied that he was, told the girl he had to work and walked over to the ravine. They had tied two ropes around the trapped cow. Kamun and Saverous grabbed the one tied just behind the cows front legs. Four other men took the rope tied just before the cows back legs.

Kamun made sure everyone was ready and they pulled, straining to lift the cow out of the narrow ravine. The cow was heavy and being lifted scared her even more than falling into the ravine. She began kicking and trying to get loose of the ropes. She couldn’t, but her movement made it even harder to pull her out. Tephus, a boy barely 16, was at the front of the rear rope and reached into the ravine to continue pulling. Just as he got his grip the cow bucked madly, sending the back rope slack and then yanking it back. The jerk sent Tephus staggering forward and into the ravine. He smacked right into the cow, eliciting another buck and a deep howl from the frightened beast. The ravine was so narrow that he barely had room to fall by her but he slipped by and slid down to the V shaped ravine floor.

The cows bucking became even more aggressive and with Tephus's help gone the three men began to lose their grip on the back rope. The cow’s hind quarters dropped toward the trapped Tephus. He screamed as one of the cow’s hooves kicked the arm he held protectively in front of him.

Saverous looked around for anything that could help. Kamun's terrified daughter stood wide eyed, witness to what was going on. There was no one else.

“Kamun, help them!” Saverous shouted, signaling for him to switch to the back rope. He let go of the front rope and Saverous strained to hold it on his own. Grabbing the back rope the tug of war stopped, the cow stopped moving either up or down although she continued to kick and flail wildly. Tephus's yells weren't cries of pain, he had learned to lay flat on the ravine floor to avoid the dangling cow held just inches above him, but pleas for to get him out of there, and not drop the cow.

Saverous wrapped the ropes around his arms, ready to pull but then realized the real trouble they were in. The effort in stopping the cow from dropping had drained the men on the back rope. All four of them looked back, their arms already trembling from the effort of maintaining the cow where it was. The silent message was that they wouldn't be able to do this, they would have to drop the cow.

This is where stories talk about people summoning some great strength within themselves. They tried, Tephus's terrified calls urging them on. They all pulled with everything they had. The cow bucked, ropes dug into their flesh, burnt through the thick leather gloves they wore and nothing changed. Saverous was covered with sweat and even his muscles were beginning to spasm uncontrollably.

Saverous turned away from the ravine, putting the rope over his shoulder and digging into the ground. He felt a slight movement, the rope had budged. He looked up to see Kamun's daughter staring at him. She was more terrified of Saverous than what was happening. He closed his eyes, he couldn't worry about that now. And Saverous pulled against the rope. There was a burning across his back and out into his arms. It went beyond the pain of a muscle pushed past its limit, it was the fire of magic. His runes flared and Saverous heard a gasp from the cow as he heaved forward. Unnatural light danced on his skin and the four farmers on the back rope would have dropped the cow and fled if Tephus wasn't trapped beneath it.

The cows front was dragged up and over the edge of the ravine as Saverous pulled forward. The back followed and Saverous collapsed exhausted in the grass and flowers. The runes flickered, paled like coal taken out of the forge and went dark.

The story is about Saverous who is big even among the Doviello and huge among the Bannor. In fact he was picked from a Doviello village the burnt preist destroyed to become a thrull because of his size and strength so hes an unusual specimen.

I imagine that the Doviello are stronger than normal men, a result of their violent culture and environment. The Doviello were a new civilization created during the Age of Ice where people from the various empires lost the traditions of their people of became little more than bestial wild men roaming and hunting in packs. Add ot that the fact that disputes among the Doviello are usually settled by lethal combat and you can understand how they can breed superior soldiers.

And as mentioned above I imagine that the Doviello berserkers are the elite of even these men. Though Saverous is an extreme example I dont imagine it is to rare to see doviello berserkers that are between 7-8 foot tall and solid muscle (one must imagine Erebus has more leinant physics than our own world).
 
What is Saverous's backstory?

Kael, do you have a complex, written out backstory for him?
 
What is Saverous's backstory?

Kael, do you have a complex, written out backstory for him?

Not really. Saverous is from a story I wrote years before I started on the mod. That story takes place well after the events of the mod so by that point Saverous's demonic possession is just backstory.

Valin is from that story as well, though by that point he has abandoned the church of the Order to follow Junil as his heart leads him. He feels the church has become corrupt and is trying to continue his mission as an Oathtaker outside of their doctorines.
 
Just wondering, what is the general state of health/size/nutrition etc amongst the other, more "civilized" peoples of Erebus?




EDIT: some contextual information
The Doviello are considerably larger that normal humans, from the AOI entry for Belenus I think... And ten pounds? I think that would be a bit low for say six feet of metal...

Here's an add for a medieval replica sword I found http://www.albion-swords.com/swords/albion/squire/sword-squire-warsword.htm


with an overall length of just under four feet, it weighs "only" 3 pounds, ten ounces. Swords are actually pretty light. The true heavy weapons would be some sort of iron studded two handed great mace. (Maces have to have thicker hafts, for obvious reasons.) I still maintain that even a perfectly conditioned, say, 7'5" tundra barbarian psycho in a 350 lb perfect condition, would find a human body too heavy and unweildy to be a practical weapon beyond the simple terror factor it inspires. (and, to be pessimistic, it loses a lot of its effect if some 5'2" guy with a little knive guts you while you try to swing that dead guy.)
 
I dunno, I think that the top half only of a person could possibly live long enough to be swung at least twice. So that cuts it down to maybe 100 lbs. That is possible with a fairly small allowance for Fantasy & Magic enhancing your abilities ;)

As for Saverous, look in the Lore Section at the Trivia thread. I think it is 1 page back from the current one I posted everything from the Civlopedia about Saverous Currently. (In spoiler tags)
 
Just change it a bit. The civilopedia says they swing whole bodies but maybe that is an embellishment.

I imagine it is much more horrific to see the Doviello bludgeon your comrade with sticks and stones and then a pack of them rip him into pieces. One tears off his head, two more his arms, and the last two his legs. If the head had a healthy length of hair, the first could swing it around and bludgeon people all the more. If not, he could hurl it at you and follow it up with a thrown torso. The rest of them just use the arms and legs to beat people to death.
 
Just change it a bit. The civilopedia says they swing whole bodies but maybe that is an embellishment.

I imagine it is much more horrific to see the Doviello bludgeon your comrade with sticks and stones and then a pack of them rip him into pieces. One tears off his head, two more his arms, and the last two his legs. If the head had a healthy length of hair, the first could swing it around and bludgeon people all the more. If not, he could hurl it at you and follow it up with a thrown torso. The rest of them just use the arms and legs to beat people to death.

It is interesting how a small discussion can so easily let people imagine the weirdest forms of nightmares. Have you read what you have just written before ?? It is sick !!

But apart from this, you would thrash with soft meat ! A human arm is no good weapon. Fist fighting can occur, because living humans have solid muscles, a dead body instantly looses all the grip as all the muscles simply stop to work. A dead body is just soft meat at the beginning and only when the process of rotting sets in then the body becomes hard.

But maybe we should just let the Doviello be Doviello and we imagine that there are dark legends of tall barbaric people who swing dead bodies as clubs. We do not really need to elaborate on this topic scientifically, dont you think ??
 
The offensive value of a human arm is not the damage it would deal physically but psychologically.

And yet physically a dead weight like the muscles of the upper arm would be able to deal a satisfying beating, if not a deadly one. All you need to do is hit the guy hard enough to force him down. Then the pack can leap upon him and repeat the escapade.
 
I always kinda assumed that their enemies were wearing armor, which would make their bodies much harder and cause more physical damage in addition to the psychological. I also assumed that most of their warriors would probably just steal the weapons from their vanquished foes and use them. They use whatever is available, not limiting themselves to corpses.
 
Come on! it's fantasy! does there have to be a logical reason for everything? it sounds good story wise... ;)

Kael, who's the burnt preist? is he ever making an appearance in this mod?
 
Not really. Saverous is from a story I wrote years before I started on the mod. That story takes place well after the events of the mod so by that point Saverous's demonic possession is just backstory.

Valin is from that story as well, though by that point he has abandoned the church of the Order to follow Junil as his heart leads him. He feels the church has become corrupt and is trying to continue his mission as an Oathtaker outside of their doctorines.

So was that the time when Tebryn had fallen, and "peace restored to the land"?
 
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