Dragons!

[Jono]

You would only be able to build them if you had control over one of the dragons... and you'd own them in a slavery kind of way. The could even grow from a whelp, deciding whether you want them to become one with the wild or loyal companions — depending on what they are taught throughout they're numerous levels of growth.

 

[Chandrasekhar]

I'd much prefer for the dragons to just show up randomly as barbarians, and have it be a minor crisis when it happens. Three dragons in the whole world does seem a bit small, especially when you consider that only one always shows up, and the other two are Civ dependent.

That said, there are a whole bunch of other monsters that could be used, too. Of course, by the time the barbs have tech'd up enough to make these tier 3 and 4 units, the world is pretty well filled up anyway. No need to go to so much effort if these barbs are so rarely seen. Then again, that hell idea that seems to be getting made might make things interesting for that, too.

 

[vorshlumpf]

I like dragons, but I'm on the side of the boat that feels other mythical creatures would be best for filling in the wilderness. On that note, I hope the future will allow barbarians and animals and beasts to be separate entities.

- Niilo

 

[Chandrasekhar]

Maybe we could just use dragons as tier 4 units, then, and amp up their strength?

 

[Silverkiss]

Forget about dragons lol, why not using Chimeras, Trolls, Rocs, Hidras, Wyverns, etc ??

 

[QES]

The new civ implemented will be a dragon civilization known as the Draclomis.

Wow, so Kael and Team are making a DRAGON civilization. Awesome.
-Qes
















No they're not im Lying. I just wanted to see you all druel. And that Quote is Libelous and fradulent, dont look for it.

 

[wilboman]

Well, you certainly raised my eyebrow

 

[QES]

Well, you certainly raised my eyebrow

Considering your ON the team, i would hope that your not terribly suseptible to my prankery.
-Qes

Still, let me dream. mmm..dragons..

 

[wilboman]

It was more of a "That was an interesting conclusion, based on... what?" eyebrow-raising. Which reminds me: there should be a raised eyebrow smiley. It's one of my most used expressions in real life, it's frustrating to not be able to use it here!

On a lorish note: Dragons in the Age of Rebirth are the remnants of the dragons the Gods used to slug it out between them in the Age of Dragons before giving it up as a rum deal. And so, much like dinosaurs, they should by rights be extinct. That makes the few survivors extra cool.

 

[QES]

It was more of a "That was an interesting conclusion, based on... what?" eyebrow-raising. Which reminds me: there should be a raised eyebrow smiley. It's one of my most used expressions in real life, it's frustrating to not be able to use it here!

On a lorish note: Dragons in the Age of Rebirth are the remnants of the dragons the Gods used to slug it out between them in the Age of Dragons before giving it up as a rum deal. And so, much like dinosaurs, they should by rights be extinct. That makes the few survivors extra cool.

I like my fradulent claims better .

No, im with ya, dragons should be rare and powerful, i've been saying that since this thread opened.
-Qes

P.S. I agree with you on the smilely with a raised eyebrow. Definate need.

 

[evanb]

I for one wouldn't like to see any more dragons. Believe me, too many dragons can and will become boring after a certain time (see Heroes 5). I think there's a good balance of dragons in the mod right now: Acheron guarding the horde (what's a fantasy setting without a dragon's horde?), Abashi the "bad guy" bearing Tebryn's rune and Eurabatres the "good guy" secretly guiding the Kuriotates.

Considering the backgrounds of Abashi and Eurabatres, an interesting idea comes to mind. If the Sheaim are led by Tebryn and Abashi is defeated, then the civilization would receive a big penalty (because Tebryn's rune is destroyed and he dies, or whatever Liches do). Similarly, if Eurabatres is defeated, something even worse happens to the Kuriotates (because the conscience that lead them through Cardith Lorda dissapears).

But, of course, seeing that these two dragons become available near the end game, after lots and lots of work, it would really not be very pleasant -- gameplay wise -- for the player to suddenly find himself crippled because the dragon died.

Just and idea I thought I'd share...

P.S. This is from the Round Table forum and I find it very useful:

 

[QES]

I for one wouldn't like to see any more dragons. Believe me, too many dragons can and will become boring after a certain time (see Heroes 5). I think there's a good balance of dragons in the mod right now: Acheron guarding the horde (what's a fantasy setting without a dragon's horde?), Abashi the "bad guy" bearing Tebryn's rune and Eurabatres the "good guy" secretly guiding the Kuriotates.

Considering the backgrounds of Abashi and Eurabatres, an interesting idea comes to mind. If the Sheaim are led by Tebryn and Abashi is defeated, then the civilization would receive a big penalty (because Tebryn's rune is destroyed and he dies, or whatever Liches do). Similarly, if Eurabatres is defeated, something even worse happens to the Kuriotates (because the conscience that lead them through Cardith Lorda dissapears).

But, of course, seeing that these two dragons become available near the end game, after lots and lots of work, it would really not be very pleasant -- gameplay wise -- for the player to suddenly find himself crippled because the dragon died.

Just and idea I thought I'd share...

P.S. This is from the Round Table forum and I find it very useful:

Maybe on death, either gives a -100% gold penalty on the civilization for 20 turns? Like a dark age.
Which reminds me to put that here. http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=178333&page=2

-Qes

 

[wilboman]

Considering the backgrounds of Abashi and Eurabatres, an interesting idea comes to mind. If the Sheaim are led by Tebryn and Abashi is defeated, then the civilization would receive a big penalty (because Tebryn's rune is destroyed and he dies, or whatever Liches do). Similarly, if Eurabatres is defeated, something even worse happens to the Kuriotates (because the conscience that lead them through Cardith Lorda dissapears).

But, of course, seeing that these two dragons become available near the end game, after lots and lots of work, it would really not be very pleasant -- gameplay wise -- for the player to suddenly find himself crippled because the dragon died.

Actually, that's not a bad idea, and it IS something we've done with Basium already...

 

[evanb]

Oh, yeah! I forgot about Basium. Now that I think about it, it seems kind of odd for the unit do be destroyed, a tomb built and so on, and the civ to continue to be ruled by Basium...



Back to the dragons. I've revised my idea on how serious the consequences should be in the case of the death of the dragons. The effect on the Kuriotates would be less serious than the one on the Sheaim.

Why? Because when the Kuriotates lose Eurabatres-the-unit they don't lose his conscience, which continues to exist and manifest throught Cardith Lorda, just like it did before. This being said, one can then easily think of all sorts of penalties, which IMO shouldn't be restricted to only x turns, like a Dark Age. If Basium's death affects the Mercurians for the rest of the game, then so should a dragon's death do (especially since a dragon's death will usually occur near the end of the game). A suggestion: maybe cities that have the Cult of the Dragon in them could experience even worse effects (they just saw their god die!).

As for the Sheaim, the effect of Abashi's death would be very bad because killing Abashi means destroying the rune that holds Tebryn's soul, resulting in the death of the leader himself, or at least in his severe weakening (think Sauron after the Downfall of Numenor; or even more drastic: after the destruction of the Ring). Maybe he could lose one of his traits in addition to the assorted financial/cultural/happiness penalties? Again, the cities with the Cult in them would feel the effects more.

Also, maybe to a certain extent non-Kurio/Sheaim cities with the Cult could have a chance of getting rid of the Cult from them?

 

[Silverkiss]

I dont think that killing Abashi should weaken the Sheaim too much, only the rune was destroyed, Tebryn still needs to be killed, he only won´t ressurect. And what if you playing whit the other leader ? Then theres no sense on loosing leader-specific bonuses...

 

[Nikis-Knight]

A simple penalty is that cult of dragon then penalizes these guys like any other civ. "The dragon was keeping these kooks in line, but now..."

 

[Silverkiss]

Maybe if all dragons in the world die, it reverts ? Like normal civs that have Cult of the Dragon dont receive anything, and the Sheaim/Kuriotates start to receive the penalties normal civs receive ?

 

[QES]

Maybe if all dragons in the world die, it reverts ? Like normal civs that have Cult of the Dragon dont receive anything, and the Sheaim/Kuriotates start to receive the penalties normal civs receive ?

This is a good idea.

Hey Kael...on this, are dragons connected to magic in any way - like they are in a great deal of fantasy books? If the last dragon dies.....maybe magic stops working?? And/or all mana nodes disapear?

It'd give you something to do with "the rebirth of dragons" later. If you liked.
-Qes

P.S. I heart G.R.R Martin and a Song of Ice and Fire...but seriously "And then she woke up blind.." ARGH!!!

 

[Kael]

This is a good idea.

Hey Kael...on this, are dragons connected to magic in any way - like they are in a great deal of fantasy books? If the last dragon dies.....maybe magic stops working?? And/or all mana nodes disapear?

It'd give you something to do with "the rebirth of dragons" later. If you liked.
-Qes

P.S. I heart G.R.R Martin and a Song of Ice and Fire...but seriously "And then she woke up blind.." ARGH!!!

No, Dragons are death machines made by the gods to wage war. The gods are the conduits to their respective dominions. So if you wanted to end a sphere of magic you would have to kill the god (which is why Winter is a dead spell sphere right now) which could be done through the Avatars.

I like the idea of the death of the dragons effecting the cult. In fact I want to quest in ways to end all of the religions. Something like if you get the religion below a certain percent and raze the holy city the gods avatar will appear. If you kill that avatar the religion is destroyed.

Those sorts of things will probably come in "Fire" and "Shadow".

 

[Silverkiss]

Yay. The Master likes my idea. =P