Dynamic Civilization Naming - Submit Names Here!

[lumpthing]

United Kingdom of Great Britain has been England/Scotland's official name since 1707, so it doesn't make sense for it to only appear in the modern era. I suggest British Commonwealth of Nations for modern era Britain (the original name for what is now the Commonwealth of Nations, at a time when the dominions still considered themselves autonomous but loyal members of an empire)

 

[Corm]

United Kingdom of Great Britain has been England/Scotland's official name since 1707, so it doesn't make sense for it to only appear in the modern era. I suggest British Commonwealth of Nations for modern era Britain (the original name for what is now the Commonwealth of Nations, at a time when the dominions still considered autonomous but loyal members of an empire)

Just to be a pedantic a$$ no its not. The term united Kingdom of Great Britain didn't come into usage until after the union of the parliaments was at least 20 years old. The actual date when the term was first used is not actually "officially" known. Some web sources may claim otherwise but they aren't accurate. On the 1st of May 1707 the state that later became the UK of GB was created but the name/term doesn't crop up in records until 1745 or something if I remember my Scottish history post union correctly.

During Cromwells time it was the Commonwealth of England although occasionally referred to as the Commonwealth of the British Isles and various other terms depending on what political and/or religious stripe you took your cues from. Which i may add included Scotland and Ireland and more recently it became the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

Anyway like I said im just being an a$$ I dont see that it matters all that much.

Especially considering a better name for the country would be the Kingdom of Scotland. Especially, post Union of the Parliments, the crown being a minor joining, on the path to our current domination of all the English states affairs for the last 300 years...

 

[lumpthing]

I knew about Cromwell's Commonwealth but that's the first time I've heard about the delay in the official use of UKoGB. Well I like to think I know about such things so thanks for enlightening me

Quite, lets replace the England civ with a Scotland civ

 

[Kweeky]

If it were up to me, I'd have the Celts as an active Civ

 

[Lance of Llanwy]

Hmmm...for China? Well...
Ancient- Shang (China)
Classical- Han (China)
Medieval- Tang (China)
Renaissance- Ming (China)
Industrial- Qing (China)
Modern- People's Republic of China
Ideally, China would be "Zhongguo" in every instance, but I understand if China is just easier for people to recognize. For the record, that translates as "Middle Kingdom"....

 

[MISER SVM]

After a second thought, the Song dynasty (though close to the Tang) would do a far better job at representing Renaissance China...

 

[SadoMacho]

For china, Whe have a leader called Qin and Ming, so if it were up to me, I would use these names, if you want to use the dynasical names.

 

[onedreamer]

After M'Hael suggested dynamic civilization name changes in http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=235524, I decided it could be a constructive idea to put together a thread with six different civilization names for all the civilizations. Post, and I'll copy and paste it into this starting topic

To continue my tradition of nitpicking arse, I actually suggested this way back in the long "England should be Britain" discussion; and suggested England should become Britain if it meets certain requirements, since in many games I have seen England didn't even colonize Ireland, and I also said this could have been extended to many other civs... but for "British" people it was an unacceptable solution and everyone dismissed it... >_>

However to remain in topic, I still think the name should (if it can) change only if certain requirements are met. For example why call Greece "Kingdom of Greece" if it's running Representation or Universal Suffrage ?

 

[SadoMacho]

For example why call Greece "Kingdom of Greece" if it's running Representation or Universal Suffrage ?

Belgium is a Kingdom and it has Universal Suffrage, So do the Netherlands, Danmark the United Kingdom, Spain,...

 

[Thonnas]

If this kind of thing were implemented, I would much rather see the name based on civics and state religion, and maybe even if the civ has re-spawned or is a vassal.

Like if Babylon has persisted since ancient times it should remain Babylon, while if it converted to Islam, it would become the Babylonian Caliphate, or Caliphate of Babil. If however it were re-emerging, it could spawn as the Seleucid Empire . Or if it were to become a vassal of Arabia, it would be the Sultanate of Babil, or Baghdad (if it had re-spawned), and if it were to control the Muslim holy city, or vassalize Arabia, it would be the Caliphate of Babil (or Baghdad).

The only problem with all of this is that it might get a bit confusing. If diplomacy modifiers (and maybe even leader AI) were a bit more fluid, this probably wouldn't be a big deal, as you'd basically be dealing with a new nation after 60 or 70 turns, but that's not really how things work, because a botched marriage or two a few hundred years ago can forever doom you to your neighbors "list."

 

[Riker]

The only problem with all of this is that it would require a huge effort, lot of coding and lot of time. It's from the beginning of the mod that this proposal comes periodically in the forum and was never realized.
I doubt that it will make it, England will stay England and Rome will stay Rome. Is someone working on this modcomp or are you just throwing around ideas waiting for someone to pick them up and do the job?

 

[Kweeky]

I'm waiting around for RFC Epic

I made this thread so that if one day someone does want to have a bash at this (whether as part of Rhye or otherwise), they have a good comprehensive list from the community here.

That and I love historical debate with the community here, its interesting, friendly and educated.

 

[Lokolus]

Germany:

Ancient: Germanic Tribes
Classical: Germanic Tribes
Medieval: Holy Roman Empire
Renaissance: Prussia
Industrial: German Empire
Modern:German Republic\Third Reich

 

[Lokolus]

Mongolia:

Classical: Xiongnu
Medival: Mongolian Empire
Renaissance: Manchurian Empire
Industrial:Mongolian People's Republic
Modern:Mongolia

 

[Rex rgis of Ter]

Mali
Ancient-
Classical-
Medival- Kingdom of Mali
Reniessance- Kingdom of Songhay
Industrial- Kingdom of Niger
Modern- Mali

I borrowed nindependent nations from the area Mali controls in the game.

Egypt
Ancient- Kingdom of Egypt
Classical- Ptomely(?) Egypt
Medival- Ayyublid Empire
Reneissance- Mamluk Empire
Industrial- British Protectorate of Egypt
Modern- The Arab Republic of Egypt

The last one is a bit wordy and could be shortened.

Greece
Ancient-
Classical- Delian League
Medival- Kingdom of Greece
Reniessance- Kingdom of Greece
Industrial- Kingdom og Greece
Modern- Republic of Greece

You could put in Antignod Kingdom for Classical or Medival.

Vikings
Ancient-
Calssical- Viking Empire
Medival- Viking Empire
Reniessance-Empire of Sweden
Industrial- Empire of Sweden
Modern- Scandanavia

Sweden because it was the most powerful most of the time. Modern could be changed to something like Scandanavian League.

Ottoman
Ancient-
Calssical-
Medival-
Reniessance- Ottoman Empire
Industrial- Ottoman Empire
Modern- Republic of Turkey

I'm not sure if Turkey starts Reniessance or Industrial.

 

[LuKo]

British Protectorate of Egypt

What if Britain (England) won't exist?

 

[SkippyT]

Vikings
Ancient-
Calssical- Viking Empire
Medival- Viking Empire
Reniessance-Empire of Sweden
Industrial- Empire of Sweden
Modern- Scandanavia

Sweden because it was the most powerful most of the time. Modern could be changed to something like Scandanavian League.

This, then, should be the list of which were most powerful at which time:

Ancient - /
Classical - Norse Empire
Medieval - Kalmar Union (Denmark)
Renaissance - Kingdom of Sweden
Industrial - Nordic Council
Modern - Nordic Council

Or just have Scandinavia in all slots.

Regarding that Sweden was the most powerful one...
Denmark was much of the time most powerful in the Scandinavian region up until 1814 when they were forced to give up Norway to Sweden, but they held it's colonies in Ghana, Caribbean, India, Iceland, Greenland and Faroe Islands. Although, from roughly 1650 Sweden was more powerful, but before..it was all Denmark.
Denmark was a more powerful colonial power though, always. (although theirs was nothing to compare to Dutch, English, French, Spanish, Portuguese etc)

 

[Rex rgis of Ter]

What if Britain (England) won't exist?

Then British exiles live there. If you have a better idea, spit it out.

 

[Rex rgis of Ter]

This, then, should be the list of which were most powerful at which time:

Ancient - /
Classical - Norse Empire
Medieval - Kalmar Union (Denmark)
Renaissance - Kingdom of Sweden
Industrial - Nordic Council
Modern - Nordic Council

Or just have Scandinavia in all slots.

Regarding that Sweden was the most powerful one...
Denmark was much of the time most powerful in the Scandinavian region up until 1814 when they were forced to give up Norway to Sweden, but they held it's colonies in Ghana, Caribbean, India, Iceland, Greenland and Faroe Islands. Although, from roughly 1650 Sweden was more powerful, but before..it was all Denmark.
Denmark was a more powerful colonial power though, always. (although theirs was nothing to compare to Dutch, English, French, Spanish, Portuguese etc)

Let me rephrase that. Vikings in first two, for the whole fact they span all of Scandanavia, not one kingdom.Sweden controlled most of the Region in the game, and thus it's name is used. Seeing as the Vikings almost never have colonies, I'm keeping based on land and power in Scandanavia.

 

[Lokolus]

Japan:
Classical-Yayoi
Medival-Muromachi
Renaissance-Edo
Industrial-Meiji
Modern-Japan\Japanese Empire