soul_warrior
Termite!
3 bloody armies? 3? and all i got for Xmas was a lousy bleedin' horseman?
Bjorn the fearsome 
Bjorn the fearsome 
eldar04 - Every Winner Loses
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soul_warrior
Termite!
3 bloody armies? 3? and all i got for Xmas was a lousy bleedin' horseman?
Bjorn the fearsome
[edit] double posted? now i know im seeing double. head back to the bar and order another Jack.
Bjorn the fearsome [edit] double posted? now i know im seeing double. head back to the bar and order another Jack.
Beorn-eL-Feared
Idiot riding pedals
Eldar, you got this straight. 3 MGL's. I'm careful with elite attacks and it ends up paying, sometimes 
Right now we have no idea what's up on the other continent, but we have a totally upper hand over this. With the spanish lands consolidated we could win by 20k on pretty much any city we would found in 1000AD. Well maybe not that much, but we're good to go.
I guess it could be fun to let them research and then go SS snipe in the modern ages, with nukes and boats and planes and copters and marines.
Also, we should let Mao some room to breathe; he'll need it with us as neighbors and no one to war with (assuming AI's are basically unable to war overseas).
Right now we have no idea what's up on the other continent, but we have a totally upper hand over this. With the spanish lands consolidated we could win by 20k on pretty much any city we would found in 1000AD. Well maybe not that much, but we're good to go.
I guess it could be fun to let them research and then go SS snipe in the modern ages, with nukes and boats and planes and copters and marines.
Also, we should let Mao some room to breathe; he'll need it with us as neighbors and no one to war with (assuming AI's are basically unable to war overseas).
eldar
ChiefTank
Let's keep a row of Spanish cities between him and us, with a single-city physical border (wouldn't want a silly war between China and Spain upsetting our trade routes!)
Minute Man
Prince
I believe I'm up now. Got it.
So what's the decision? Are we helping Mao, or is it going to be somebody on the other continent? Personally I think picking China would be more interesting, but I could go either way.
So what's the decision? Are we helping Mao, or is it going to be somebody on the other continent? Personally I think picking China would be more interesting, but I could go either way.
Tubby Rower
Chronic Slacker
lurker's comment: Mao is a good choice. Since we're both in the Asian clan, I think that is well suited. If this is the case, then we need to gift Mao up to where we are. Also all extra luxes and resources need to be given to him too. We are going to have to have a pretty nice line of defense since Mao is a bit aggressive.
I'd say just knock Izzy & redbeard off of the continent and then go for a Chinese SpaceShip from there. WE don't know where Aluminum is yet but hopefully there will be at least one or two sources on our continent.
I'd say just knock Izzy & redbeard off of the continent and then go for a Chinese SpaceShip from there. WE don't know where Aluminum is yet but hopefully there will be at least one or two sources on our continent.
Minute Man
Prince
Mao is fine with me - I think it's more interesting to have it be somebody on our continent. Though we might not want to be the only other civ on the continent with him.
So if we are helping Mao, how exactly are we going to define "helping"? Are we just going to do whatever seems reasonable to help him out, or is there something more specific (like the list of rules they had in the RBCiv game where they tried this)?Tubby Rower said:
Minute Man
Prince
When I first open the save, a couple of things jump out at me:
Item #1: The Spanish war. I check out the diplomatic options, and discover that Izzy is actually willing to give up Murcia for peace. After thinking it over, I decide to take it, since Murcia is the city we really want. We have enough force to take Barcelona, once our troops heal up a bit, but then the capital would jump to Murcia, and it's be a pain to send enough forces over there to be sure of taking it. So let's settle for Murcia now and deal with Barcelona in 20 turns.
The one drawback to this is that our newly captured cities near Barcelona are a bit of a flip risk, but I still think getting Murcia for free is worth it. So peace is signed for Murcia, 8 gold, and 7 gpt.
Item #2: We're scientific, we're in the middle ages, and we don't have Literature yet? You know, I laugh at the AI when they do this. Since it looks like the consensus is leaning toward buddying up to Mao, I trade him 10 gpt for Literature. We could get it cheaper by throwing in our spare incense, but it's by Seville, which could theoretically flip, and we have money to spare. So all the temple we were building for culture changed to libraries.
Our core cities could probably also use a round of libraries, but since we're running minimum science right now, and having some minor happiness issues, that can wait until after markets.
Then on the interturn, Izzy boots our troops and warns me that our aggressive ways have almost led to a war between our two peoples.
Anyway, after that, it was pretty much a peaceful set of builder turns. I rushed a lot of libraries in border towns to expand our territory and reduce flip risks.
Furs came online in 260 AD, allowing me to reduce lux to 10%.
In 310, Ragnar was kind enough to establish an embassy, saving us the money of doing it ourselves.
In 320, the Chinese founded Macao on the northern tip of the island Siberia is on. A more worthless city spot I can hardly imagine.
In 330, we received word that the Ottomans have built the Great Library.
I sent out one suicide galley (all that got built - most of our coastal cities have really bad production), but of course it promptly sank.
Note: I have a lot of our useless cities building markets right now, mostly because I wasn't really sure what to do with them. But I figured we have plenty of time to figure that out. So next player feel free to change those to whatever seems appropriate.
I didn't really do much to help Mao. We probably ought to decide once and for all who it's going to be.
The world in 350 AD:
And a roster check:
eldar <- Up!
Soul Warrior <- on Deck
Beorn
MM <- just played
Item #1: The Spanish war. I check out the diplomatic options, and discover that Izzy is actually willing to give up Murcia for peace. After thinking it over, I decide to take it, since Murcia is the city we really want. We have enough force to take Barcelona, once our troops heal up a bit, but then the capital would jump to Murcia, and it's be a pain to send enough forces over there to be sure of taking it. So let's settle for Murcia now and deal with Barcelona in 20 turns.
The one drawback to this is that our newly captured cities near Barcelona are a bit of a flip risk, but I still think getting Murcia for free is worth it. So peace is signed for Murcia, 8 gold, and 7 gpt.
Item #2: We're scientific, we're in the middle ages, and we don't have Literature yet? You know, I laugh at the AI when they do this. Since it looks like the consensus is leaning toward buddying up to Mao, I trade him 10 gpt for Literature. We could get it cheaper by throwing in our spare incense, but it's by Seville, which could theoretically flip, and we have money to spare. So all the temple we were building for culture changed to libraries.
Our core cities could probably also use a round of libraries, but since we're running minimum science right now, and having some minor happiness issues, that can wait until after markets.
Then on the interturn, Izzy boots our troops and warns me that our aggressive ways have almost led to a war between our two peoples.
Anyway, after that, it was pretty much a peaceful set of builder turns. I rushed a lot of libraries in border towns to expand our territory and reduce flip risks.
Furs came online in 260 AD, allowing me to reduce lux to 10%.
In 310, Ragnar was kind enough to establish an embassy, saving us the money of doing it ourselves.
In 320, the Chinese founded Macao on the northern tip of the island Siberia is on. A more worthless city spot I can hardly imagine.
In 330, we received word that the Ottomans have built the Great Library.
I sent out one suicide galley (all that got built - most of our coastal cities have really bad production), but of course it promptly sank.
Note: I have a lot of our useless cities building markets right now, mostly because I wasn't really sure what to do with them. But I figured we have plenty of time to figure that out. So next player feel free to change those to whatever seems appropriate.
I didn't really do much to help Mao. We probably ought to decide once and for all who it's going to be.
The world in 350 AD:
And a roster check:
eldar <- Up!
Soul Warrior <- on Deck
Beorn
MM <- just played
soul_warrior
Termite!
lets talk this over in about a thousand years. just around the time coal and oil come online, shall we? i have a feeling we havent heard the last of Siberia.Minute Man said:
about the peace with spain.
about the Lit thing.
AND i agree we need now a few builder sets. mainly libs, markets and uni's. if we manage to land a wonder, lovely, but i guess we dont really need any.
OK, maybe Smiths later and Cops - Newtons would be nice.
Tubby Rower
Chronic Slacker
So Izzy has 2CC ahead of her and Ragnar has been pushed to the coast. Should we "sell" Eng to MAo since he's our buddy? Also, we're doing min research. Should we bump it up to stay ahead of everyone.
Scandanavia has 5 coastal cities and one in the middle of Chinatown. He's only 2 techs away from those blonde devils. Do we want to ha,per him significantly before that or just wait to see what happens??
Scandanavia has 5 coastal cities and one in the middle of Chinatown. He's only 2 techs away from those blonde devils. Do we want to ha,per him significantly before that or just wait to see what happens??
Minute Man
Prince
I left it as min research because I had other uses for the cash (and besides, we didn't have any libraries). My thinking was that we can use the time until Invention comes in to build libraries and other infra, then crank up research. But that may be longer than we want to wait. Not really sure.Tubby Rower said:
I believe our peace treaty with Ragnar has a couple of turns left to go. After that, I think we should seriously consider taking some more of his cities. Though he is serving as a buffer between us and our potentially aggressive buddy.
Beorn-eL-Feared
Idiot riding pedals
I believe we need Mao to get Coper and such, so that he can do a bit without us. Soon we will have the choice of weapons in the victory war, and we can hand it over to him by beelinging/gifting techs he needs for useful wonders.
About Lodbrok, we could play with him, declare a MA with Mao against him and let Mao take the cities he wants. using just pikes/trbs to take off HP from defenders while Mao moves up, and our soon-to-be knight army to clear up whatever is in the way.
About Lodbrok, we could play with him, declare a MA with Mao against him and let Mao take the cities he wants. using just pikes/trbs to take off HP from defenders while Mao moves up, and our soon-to-be knight army to clear up whatever is in the way.
eldar
ChiefTank
I'd like to get rid of Barcelona. If it weren't for the fact there's probably oil up there in Siberia, I'd gift it it Spain, then kill her continental cities off!
lurker's comment:
My apologies for the interruption but I have a question on the above statement. If the AI builds an embassy in your capitol than you gain the benefits of an embassy without having to build one in their capitol?
Again, my apologies for the interruption.
Minute Man said:
My apologies for the interruption but I have a question on the above statement. If the AI builds an embassy in your capitol than you gain the benefits of an embassy without having to build one in their capitol?
Again, my apologies for the interruption.
Minute Man
Prince
Yes, that's correct. You don't get to investigate their capitol, though.Methos said:
soul_warrior
Termite!
eldar? 
you picking this up? 5 days....
you picking this up? 5 days....Minute Man
Prince
I think eldar was away for the weekend. Hopefully he should be back soon.
eldar
ChiefTank
I was away for the weekend. I am back now.
soul_warrior
Termite!
@ everyone. its been 2 weeks since my last confession.
eldar... what up? we keeping going or not?
just a friendly that all
eldar... what up? we keeping going or not?
just a friendly
that all
Beorn-eL-Feared
Idiot riding pedals
I read his reply this morning, and for some reason I thought he was talking about the week-end just past 
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