[GS] Eleanor of Aquitaine Discussion Thread

[DJ_Tanner]

I'm guessing that the idea was to add another female leader to the stable, but ironically both of the leaders she replaces are already female.

Then it is pretty clear that was not the idea.

 

[CivLuvah]

Yes, but would have liked to see them a bit farther apart in age.

It would have given the phrase "aging gracefully" a new meaning with that intro haha

 

[Naktis]

Well the most controversal leader came , and she looks cute. Lets see the livestream which is last one too.

The only negative thought is...that leak was 100% accurate , I mean..really bad job for this Firaxis. Last year reveals were way more fun and better.

 

[Onin]

The more I think about this ability, the more it seems completely negligible at just -1.

I'm not sure why Firaxis is so meager with the loyalty bonuses when they are quite happy to give massive military bonuses etc to civs.

Do they not realize loyalty does very little in most games? Or is it that loyalty abilities can be OP in AI vs AI?

Honestly this ability seems like it would be very hard to balance so it is hard to speculate how well it will work in game until people play around with it. Lots of dependent variables.

How it combines with a military strategy will also be important to figure out.

Plus flipped cities don't lose pop so similar to the Ottoman's advantage when taking territory.

 

[ehecatzin]

I'm just happy I called the city fliping without rebel time. Time to weaponize those teather squares. While her kit seems more obvious with France (and I'm really thinking about starting with France now), if you are England, you want to go domination anyway, you could snipe the biggest cities first and watch as the rest follow instead of going into rebel time, it could actually speed up conquests a lot if you go conquer a cultural civ.

Her animation is amazing, I appreciate that they also gave her a wardrobe change, not just the hairstyle, honestly I wouldn't mind DLC's that followed this model, could help in keeping older civs relevant.

 

[CivLuvah]

I am hoping that the French version sprinkles in the occasional English word and vice versa for the English version.

You'll probably expect that more with Laurier than with Eleanor.

 

[Ziad]

lol "controversy"

Most of the comments are about how interesting the dual leader is and/or how attractive she is.

 

[AriochIV]

Then it is pretty clear that was not the idea.

In that case, they should have chosen a figure who was, y'know, actually a leader of the nations in question. Eleanor was never the leader of either France or England.

 

[Dark_Jedi06]

Torn between Dido and Eleanor now for my first GS play through...I love flipping and playing with the loyalty system to passively conquer my neighbors.

The model on Eleanor might be my favorite of all the leaders...her animations are fantastic and she's just downright adorable. We will always be friends, albeit with a cultural alliance.

 

[Ondolindë]

Cleo is the hot girl in college you have sex with, Eleanor is the cute girl you bring home to the parents and marry.

Marry only and not have a six life with?

Well, both don’t do it for me, but they did a wonderful animation with Eleanor, albeit a tad barbiesque or princessy the Disney style.

 

[Hans Castorp]

lol "controversy"

Most of the comments are about how interesting the dual leader is and/or how attractive she is.

In fairness, beyond commenting on whether and in what ways the LUA is interesting, and whether people like the model, what would you like discussed?

 

[DJ_Tanner]

You'll probably expect that more with Laurier than with Eleanor.

Oh absolutely there are a couple that do sprinkle in multiple languages and it makes sense, it may or may not be all that historically accurate to how she would have behaved, but I think it makes a nice nod to her duel leader status.

 

[DJ_Tanner]

In that case, they should have chosen a figure who was, y'know, actually a leader of the nations in question. Eleanor was never the leader of either France or England.

Leader still does not equal ruler.

She was a leader of both France and England.

 

[Leathaface]

She has the best character model in Gathering Storm in my opinion. Looks like Alexander with hair similarities. It is going to be horrible near her in a Dark Age. Luckily she has no bomuses towards warfare in either incarnation so that would be the best case to wipe her off the map before she starts flipping your cities.

I hope the AI can use her bonuses properly, ie put plenty of Great Works in cities you have near her.

Hmm....

Found a religion, get Cathedrals. Build Holy Sites and Theatre Districts in every city. 7 total GS in city seems doable for -7 loyalty in nearby cities of other civs. More if you have music and/or wonders. Combine the GW pressure from 2 cities and flipping cities seems doable. Especially if you add in spies and entertainment districts.

For some reason I thought of one city applying pressure, which I thought mightn't amount to much. But you're right having TWO cities applying pressure to a single nearby foreign city sounds powerful alright.

Welll, if "science focus" equates to a "here's some blue icons" ability, then I guess so, but I don't think excelling at science requires such a ham-handed approach. Cultural victory requires tourism, a resource specific to the victory condition. Science is as ubiquitous as a resource gets.

If you can excel at producing districts or buildings or settlers, you can excel at science. We have GS civ's that are good at those things.

I just like when a rival AI Civ gets loads of Science, even if it is cheesy. It can provide a challenge if you're going for a Culture Victory because that Civ will be getting Spaceports up pretty quickly. I can remember a Civ having a Spaceport build on turn 191, that is quick.

 

[Nev_ti]

The hair style, the wine, the dress, everything in her design reminds me of Cersei Lannister

 

[Benzombie]

Then she divorced you, takes half your stuff, and marries a guy you hated back in college.

OOF

 

[CivLuvah]

Eleanor’s design seems pretty cool and I’m all for leaders being of multiple civilisations, but I can’t be that enthusiastic knowing this is essentially Firaxis’ way of giving both England and France new leaders with minimum effort. It’s now all but guaranteed we won’t be seeing Napoleon, Charles de Gaulle, Churchill, Elizabeth, or any other iconic leader from these nations. That hurts as I think Civ VI’s art style would have really shined with these characters.

I disagree. I still hope we'll be seeing these mainstays again in Civ6. In some way or another.

 

[Ziad]

In fairness, beyond commenting on whether and in what ways the LUA is interesting, and whether people like the model, what would you like discussed?

Oh nothing at all. It's just interesting that people expected her to be controversial when the reception has been anything but on most social media platforms.

 

[agonistes]

Eh, wasn't her Majesty Queen Victoria from House of Hannover, which came from Germany?

Oh man... you guys keep yanking the tiger's tale. I wouldn't dare post something like that for at least another week.

 

[Martinus]

lol "controversy"

Most of the comments are about how interesting the dual leader is and/or how attractive she is.

In my experience, about a dozen of posters in this forum always significantly overestimate their opinion to be shared by many other people.