Elimination Thread-Returning Civ 5 Leaders

[Guandao]

Ahmad al-Mansur 16
Ashurbanipal 27
Augustus Caesar 18
Bismarck 17
Catherine 22
Elizabeth 15
Enrico Dandolo 18
Gajah Mada 26
Genghis Khan 26
Gustavus Adolphus 25
Harun al-Rashid 18
Kamehameha 23
Maria Theresa (15+1)=16 I think she should return if Austria is brought back, she can be portrayed younger as opposed to as a old woman.
Napoleon 17
Nebuchadnezzar II 24
Pacal 22
Pachacuti 20
Ramesses II 22
Sejong 23
Shaka 25
Suleiman 23
William (9-3)=6 I think another Dutch leader should be chosen this time
Wu Zetian 16

 

[Kimiimaro]

Ahmad al-Mansur 16
Ashurbanipal 27
Augustus Caesar 18
Bismarck 17
Catherine 22
Elizabeth 15-3=12 - She probably wouldn't bring anything new, as we have already England focused on navy and colonies.
Enrico Dandolo 18+1=19 - The greatest doge of Venice.
Gajah Mada 26
Genghis Khan 26
Gustavus Adolphus 25
Harun al-Rashid 18
Kamehameha 23
Maria Theresa 16
Napoleon 17
Nebuchadnezzar II 24
Pacal 22
Pachacuti 20
Ramesses II 22
Sejong 23
Shaka 25
Suleiman 23
William 6
Wu Zetian 16

 

[Morningcalm]

Ahmad al-Mansur 16
Ashurbanipal 27
Augustus Caesar 18
Bismarck 17
Catherine 22
Elizabeth 12
Enrico Dandolo 19
Gajah Mada 26 + 1 = 27 (We are in sore need of more SEA representation, and this guy's story is legendary. Also, we need more chubby leaders.)
Genghis Khan 26
Gustavus Adolphus 25
Harun al-Rashid 18
Kamehameha 23
Maria Theresa 16
Napoleon 17
Nebuchadnezzar II 24
Pacal 22
Pachacuti 20
Ramesses II 22
Sejong 23
Shaka 25
Suleiman 23
William 6 - 3 = 3 (Maurice of Nassau or some other Dutch leader would work, but for the purposes of this thread, Netherlands are not a priority for inclusion in a crowded Euro-centric Civ VI, and William is hardly the most compelling leader, though he is clearly one of the Netherlands' most important leaders.)
Wu Zetian 16

 

[Manifold]

Ahmad al-Mansur 16
Ashurbanipal 27
Augustus Caesar 18
Bismarck 17
Catherine 22
Elizabeth 12
Enrico Dandolo 19
Gajah Mada 24 (27-3) too many points
Genghis Khan 26
Gustavus Adolphus 25
Harun al-Rashid 18
Kamehameha 23
Maria Theresa 16
Napoleon 17
Nebuchadnezzar II 24
Pacal 22
Pachacuti 20
Ramesses II 22
Sejong 23
Shaka 26 (25+1) I guess we had to wait for him until Civ7
Suleiman 23
William 3
Wu Zetian 16

 

[Guandao]

Ahmad al-Mansur 16
Ashurbanipal 27
Augustus Caesar 18
Bismarck 17
Catherine 22
Elizabeth 12
Enrico Dandolo 19
Gajah Mada 24
Genghis Khan (26+1)=27 He's basically the face of Mongolia in Civ. He made the Mongols famous by starting the process which led to the Mongol Empire, though it split among his descendants. Hire a cool sounding Mongolian speaker to give him the voice he deserves.
Gustavus Adolphus 25
Harun al-Rashid 18
Kamehameha 23
Maria Theresa 16
Napoleon 17
Nebuchadnezzar II 24
Pacal 22
Pachacuti 20
Ramesses II 22
Sejong 23
Shaka 26
Suleiman 23
William 3-3=0 William is ELIMINATED, I want to see someone new to lead the Dutch in Civ6
Wu Zetian 16

 

[God of Kings]

William 3-3=0 William is ELIMINATED, I want to see someone new to lead the Dutch in Civ6

William: My God, have pity on my soul; my God, have pity on this poor people.

 

[Kimiimaro]

William: My God, have pity on my soul; my God, have pity on this poor people.

 

[Kimiimaro]

Ahmad al-Mansur 16
Ashurbanipal 27
Augustus Caesar 18
Bismarck 17
Catherine 22
Elizabeth 12-3=9 - We already have England focused on navy and colonies. She wouldn't probably bring anything new.
Enrico Dandolo 19
Gajah Mada 24
Genghis Khan 27
Gustavus Adolphus 25+1=26 - Sweden is an interresting Civ, and this man was one of the greatest Swedish kings. He was also a military mastermind who practically invented modern warfare.
Harun al-Rashid 18
Kamehameha 23
Maria Theresa 16
Napoleon 17
Nebuchadnezzar II 24
Pacal 22
Pachacuti 20
Ramesses II 22
Sejong 23
Shaka 26
Suleiman 23
Wu Zetian 16

 

[Guandao]

Ahmad al-Mansur 16
Ashurbanipal 27
Augustus Caesar 18
Bismarck 17
Catherine 22
Elizabeth 9
Enrico Dandolo 19
Gajah Mada 24
Genghis Khan 27
Gustavus Adolphus 26
Harun al-Rashid 18
Kamehameha 23
Maria Theresa (16+1)=17 My only choice for an Austrian leader, having her in the game doesn't mean Hungary or Bohemia cannot be added as separate Civs, the Civ5 Austrian city-list only included towns in Austria
Napoleon 17
Nebuchadnezzar II 24
Pacal (22-3)=19 To be honest, I'm sick of Pacal representing the Maya. Give me a female Mayan warrior-Queen and I'll be sold, Firaxis!
Pachacuti 20
Ramesses II 22
Sejong 23
Shaka 26
Suleiman 23
Wu Zetian 16

 

[Kimiimaro]

Ahmad al-Mansur 16+1=17 - I'm not against the return of Morocco. He was quite successful Sultan, and he conquered Songhai, which would make some interresting scenario.
Ashurbanipal 27
Augustus Caesar 18
Bismarck 17
Catherine 22
Elizabeth 9-3=6 - Since we already have England focused on navy and colonies, she probably wouldn't bring anything new except some scenario where she would compete with Philip II.
Enrico Dandolo 19
Gajah Mada 24
Genghis Khan 27
Gustavus Adolphus 26
Harun al-Rashid 18
Kamehameha 23
Maria Theresa 17 - @Guandao, I just realised that if we have England resembling the English colonial empire, Australia, USA and India in one game, Austria resembling the Habsburg Monarchy shouldn't be such great obstacle for an independent Bohemia. However, I agree that Maria Theresa would be the best choice to represent Austria, but why not her son Joseph II or Franz Joseph I? Both were quite popular and competent leaders.
Napoleon 17
Nebuchadnezzar II 24
Pacal 19
Pachacuti 20
Ramesses II 22
Sejong 23
Shaka 26
Suleiman 23
Wu Zetian 16

 

[Guandao]

Ahmad al-Mansur 17
Ashurbanipal 27
Augustus Caesar 18
Bismarck 17
Catherine 22
Elizabeth 6
Enrico Dandolo 19
Gajah Mada 24
Genghis Khan 27
Gustavus Adolphus 26
Harun al-Rashid 18
Kamehameha 23
Maria Theresa 17
Napoleon 17
Nebuchadnezzar II 24
Pacal 19
Pachacuti 20
Ramesses II 22
Sejong (23-3)=20 I would like an earlier ruler to represent Korea first for Civ6, like Seondeok of Silla.
Shaka 26
Suleiman 23
Wu Zetian (16+1)=17 I don't trust Firaxis to portray another male emperor in a different way from Qin (not too crazy about Yongle Emperor , cause what's great about his reign is Zhang He, plus his legacy wasn't continued by his dumb successors). Wu is worthy of returning, with a better voice actor speaking the same kind of Mandarin that they gave to Qin.

 

[Pythakoreas]

Ahmad al-Mansur 17
Ashurbanipal 27
Augustus Caesar 18
Bismarck 17
Catherine 22
Elizabeth 6
Enrico Dandolo 19
Gajah Mada 24
Genghis Khan 27
Gustavus Adolphus 26
Harun al-Rashid 18
Kamehameha 23
Maria Theresa 17
Napoleon 17
Nebuchadnezzar II 24
Pacal 19
Pachacuti 20
Ramesses II 22
Sejong (20+1)=21 There's a golden opportunity to put a science and great people-related leader bonus into the game. A king invented a written language. Not out of nowhere but after dissecting human vocal systems he made one that is phonetically precise with modern linguistics. That's how much of a big deal it is.
Shaka 26
Suleiman 23
Wu Zetian (17-3)=14 Out of all leaders to represent China, Emperors, Generals and Modern politicians, Wu Zetian is not it.

 

[Pythakoreas]

Haile Selassie 2 - 3 = ELIMINATED Ethiopia needs pre-colonial leaders.

By pre-colonial you mean pre-19th Century colonialism? Because it was during his reign that Ethiopia was able to hold off the imperial rule of the West... as the sole country in Africa to resist colonization.
Sure Ethiopia got invaded by fascists, but his diplomatic skills later liberated his country by siding with the Allies. His diplomatic foresight in the post-WW2 world is what drove him into the United Nations to begin with. If anyone deserves a +1 Diplomacy slot Germany-style or Greece-Style it would be this guy. Sad to see him out so fast.

 

[God of Kings]

Sejong (20+1)=21 There's a golden opportunity to put a science and great people-related leader bonus into the game. A king invented a written language. Not out of nowhere but after dissecting human vocal systems he made one that is phonetically precise with modern linguistics. That's how much of a big deal it is.

That script in question is now the most common script in both Koreas, after being suppressed for much of Korean history (and especially under Japanese occupation; to the Koreans, katakana is an extremely poor substitute for Hangul when it comes to writing Korean).

 

[Kimiimaro]

Ahmad al-Mansur 17
Ashurbanipal 27
Augustus Caesar 18
Bismarck 17
Catherine 22
Elizabeth 6-3=3 - Let me use one of her quotes from Civ V: "By the grace of God, your days are numbered!"
Enrico Dandolo 19
Gajah Mada 24
Genghis Khan 27
Gustavus Adolphus 26
Harun al-Rashid 18
Kamehameha 23
Maria Theresa 17
Napoleon 17
Nebuchadnezzar II 24
Pacal 19
Pachacuti 20
Ramesses II 22
Sejong 21
Shaka 26
Suleiman 23+1=24 - Ottomans need to return, and who is better choice for leader than Suleiman the Backstabber? By his beard and belly, he needs to return.
Wu Zetian 14

 

[Pythakoreas]

That script in question is now the most common script in both Koreas, after being suppressed for much of Korean history (and especially under Japanese occupation; to the Koreans, katakana is an extremely poor substitute for Hangul when it comes to writing Korean).

Hangul (Sejong's invention) wasn't really suppressed before Japanese occupation, it just wasn't popular with the ruling class. The elite preferred Chinese written language (Hanja in Korean).
Thing is, newspapers were written in half Chinese written language up until the 80's in South Korea... that's how much Koreans value the Hanja tradition despite they can technically write everything in Hangul.

 

[conorbebe]

Ahmad al-Mansur 17
Ashurbanipal 27
Augustus Caesar 18
Bismarck 17
Catherine 22
Elizabeth ELIMINATED (3 - 3) Down with the bloody red queen!
Enrico Dandolo 19
Gajah Mada 24
Genghis Khan 27
Gustavus Adolphus 26
Harun al-Rashid 18
Kamehameha 23
Maria Theresa 17
Napoleon 17
Nebuchadnezzar II 24
Pacal 20 (19 + 1) From what I can tell, we know the most about Pacal and his influence.
Pachacuti 20
Ramesses II 22
Sejong 21
Shaka 26
Suleiman 24
Wu Zetian 14

 

[Morningcalm]

Ahmad al-Mansur 17
Ashurbanipal 27
Augustus Caesar 18
Bismarck 17
Catherine 22
Enrico Dandolo 19 + 1 = 20 (While Venice is not a priority, I'm upvoting this man simply due to his iconic status as a historical figure. He should appear in the game in some form, as he's more compelling than the Genoese leaders Firaxis might look to use instead of Venice in Civ VI.)
Gajah Mada 24
Genghis Khan 27
Gustavus Adolphus 26
Harun al-Rashid 18
Kamehameha 23
Maria Theresa 17
Napoleon 17
Nebuchadnezzar II 24
Pacal 20 - 3 = 17 (We need a fresh new face for the Mayans, preferably one of the female warrior-queens, about whom quite a bit is known, or perhaps Yuk'noom the Great.)
Pachacuti 20
Ramesses II 22
Sejong 21
Shaka 26
Suleiman 24
Wu Zetian 14

 

[Manifold]

Ahmad al-Mansur 17
Ashurbanipal 28 (27+1) bad guy needed
Augustus Caesar 18
Bismarck 17
Catherine 22
Enrico Dandolo 17 (20-3) still here!
Gajah Mada 24
Genghis Khan 27
Gustavus Adolphus 26
Harun al-Rashid 18
Kamehameha 23
Maria Theresa 17
Napoleon 17
Nebuchadnezzar II 24
Pacal 17
Pachacuti 20
Ramesses II 22
Sejong 21
Shaka 26
Suleiman 24
Wu Zetian 14

 

[Guandao]

Ahmad al-Mansur 17
Ashurbanipal 28
Augustus Caesar (18-3)=15 I think his return to Civ6 is not a priority. Would he make a contrast with Trajan? Probably not.
Bismarck 17
Catherine 22
Enrico Dandolo 17
Gajah Mada 24
Genghis Khan 27
Gustavus Adolphus 26
Harun al-Rashid 18
Kamehameha 23
Maria Theresa 17
Napoleon 17
Nebuchadnezzar II 24
Pacal 17
Pachacuti 20
Ramesses II 22
Sejong 21
Shaka (26+1)=27 Only person worthy of representing the Zulus.
Suleiman 24
Wu Zetian 14