IPEX-731BA5DD06
Deity
spoil report Please
Emperor Cookbook V: Saladin
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I was under the assumption voting was based on what save you think would be the most fun/interesting to play and not necessarily the "best" one. It could be the best one, or maybe not.
Leventis
Warlord
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From the OP:
Voting Rules:
4. At the end of each round you can vote on 3 saves for first, second and third place. I believe that these votes should be made publicly in order to allow for as much discussion as possible. I strongly encourage you to explain why you are voting for a particular save. This is one of the best ways to learn, and that's what this game is all about! If you feel uncomfortable voting publicly, PM me with your vote.
5. How you vote is up to you. Some people may want to vote for the 'best' save, others may vote for saves which they feel provide the best learning experience. Just make sure to explain what criteria you are using for your vote (overall best, best learning experience, etc).
Seems pretty clear.
I don't think this is an issue with this round. If I've done the sums, only 2 people regarded the winning save as best, while a number of us didn't rate it in the top 3.
RJM
assass1n
Warlord
Yeah pick the worst save around that will feel more like a challenge I agree with Ipex
KingMorgan
Deity
Picking saves is very subjective, I had a telling off becuase of my lack of workers, yet other people thought my save was good enough for a vote. 
I think so long we don't play from an overpowered save we'll have fun and learn a thing or two from the stratergies that we see in other peoples saves.
I think so long we don't play from an overpowered save we'll have fun and learn a thing or two from the stratergies that we see in other peoples saves.
Picking saves is very subjective, I had a telling off becuase of my lack of workers, yet other people thought my save was good enough for a vote.
I think so long we don't play from an overpowered save we'll have fun and learn a thing or two from the stratergies that we see in other peoples saves.
I'm already interested to see all the different choices by both the players and the AI's from posted saves for round two. Even if everyone played exactly the same various AI civs have played their hands very differently. Cool to see.
shyuhe
Deity
Here's another shadow round.
Spoiler :
This is an issue--which is why I do three things:
-encourage people to vote for the save they find to be the best learning experience
-encourage strong players to 'shadow' rather than submit saves for votes. This is especially important in the first few rounds. (and I do appreciate those who shadow, because it is fun to look at their saves for ideas!)
-I wait to vote last, so my vote can be a tie-breaker, and also, at my discretion, I will not vote for saves that are overpowered and would otherwise win if I did vote for them. (as I did with Lansky's save in the last round)
In this case (though I haven't started the round yet), I don't think MkLh's save was overpowered.
The problem with changing the vote system is that people don't want to vote for the 'worst' save, or a 'mediocre' save. In the past, I suggested going for the #2 voted save, assuming that #1 is too strong--but I think encouraging people to vote for what they think will be the best 'learning experience' is probably best.
I sometimes do get discouraged though, when people aren't willing to try any strategy other than 'bash heads' (though this is a VERY effective strategy--so I can see why people do it). However, I would really like to see us with an AP, UN or culture victory at some point -- just for the learning experience!
assass1n
Warlord
Hahahaha
This isn't done
This isn't done
per turn and +7
per turn. @RJM - no problem with your playing a turn too many, and submitting the 400AD autosave. I doubt you could have gained any vital info in that one turn 
.
And--its time to vote!
Here are the saves submitted for votes:
Assass1n
Lansky
KingMorgan
Ipex
Leventis
RJM
Chromium
Not submitted for a vote (but fun to look at!):
Shyuhe
Lets vote through Wednesday...
.And--its time to vote!
Here are the saves submitted for votes:
Assass1n
Lansky
KingMorgan
Ipex
Leventis
RJM
Chromium
Not submitted for a vote (but fun to look at!):
Shyuhe
Lets vote through Wednesday...
Assass1n: Poor tech rate and tech position. Bulawayo will be a flash point
Chrom: Good tech rate and best tech position
Ipex: Poor tech rate and tech position. Awdaghost could be good buffer
King M: Very good tech rate and good tech position. At war with Mansa but he will accept peace; but may want to wait and capture M's city, s of Baghdad
Lansky: Reasonable tech rate and position. At war but will accept peace; but could wait to capture Zulu city, e of Ondini
Leventis: Tech rate not too bad, but tech position poor.
Votes
#1 King Morgan
#2 Chomium
#3 Lansky
Chrom: Good tech rate and best tech position
Ipex: Poor tech rate and tech position. Awdaghost could be good buffer
King M: Very good tech rate and good tech position. At war with Mansa but he will accept peace; but may want to wait and capture M's city, s of Baghdad
Lansky: Reasonable tech rate and position. At war but will accept peace; but could wait to capture Zulu city, e of Ondini
Leventis: Tech rate not too bad, but tech position poor.
Votes
#1 King Morgan
#2 Chomium
#3 Lansky
KingMorgan
Deity
Lansky - Liking the stack, different strategy. Not sure if the map called for it, plenty of land for a reasonable REX, but thats my peaceful nature.
assass1n - Good, low tech rate and not many improvements.
Ipex - low pop, well whipped, No soldiers. Workers?
Leventis Good, liking it.
RJM, Good expansion, tech is bad because you have 3 workers, one is heading off with the horseman. I'd not bother with building any markets yet. 25% of nothing is still nothing. no cottages and/or no specialists = no reseach. I think if you'd built 10 more workers earlier in the save this would have been a strong postion.
Chromium, Good tech, suprised on the lack of exploration and expansion.
1. Lansky - might as well give it a go.
2. Chromium - soild easy save to play
3. Leventis - well rounded.
assass1n - Good, low tech rate and not many improvements.
Ipex - low pop, well whipped, No soldiers. Workers?
Leventis Good, liking it.
RJM, Good expansion, tech is bad because you have 3 workers, one is heading off with the horseman. I'd not bother with building any markets yet. 25% of nothing is still nothing. no cottages and/or no specialists = no reseach. I think if you'd built 10 more workers earlier in the save this would have been a strong postion.
Chromium, Good tech, suprised on the lack of exploration and expansion.
1. Lansky - might as well give it a go.
2. Chromium - soild easy save to play
3. Leventis - well rounded.
#1 Leventus
#2 King Morgan
#3 Chromium
Reasoning being -
Leventus: As said before just a very solid round. Nothing exceptional, but the game can go a lot of different ways and this save is just a very good jumping off point.
King Morgan: Strong relative tech rate and strong expansion.
Chromium: Civil Service slingshot. Feeling it is incredibly strong for a diplomatic win with either "a sword or a pen" so to speak.
#2 King Morgan
#3 Chromium
Reasoning being -
Leventus: As said before just a very solid round. Nothing exceptional, but the game can go a lot of different ways and this save is just a very good jumping off point.
King Morgan: Strong relative tech rate and strong expansion.
Chromium: Civil Service slingshot. Feeling it is incredibly strong for a diplomatic win with either "a sword or a pen" so to speak.
Leventis
Warlord
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Some general comments on the saves: Overall, I was amazed that people didn't focus more on military, and in some cases, diplomacy. Tech situation was quite similar for each of the saves, so I made my distinctions based on diplo, military, and how things will look once expansion is complete.
3 votes: Lansky I like the stack. I like the diplo situation. Still have room to expand through paece/force. Carrying on from here will obviously mean killing Shaka. Tech pace will pick up quickly after further expansion/peace, and you are doing quite well for now.
2 votes: Chromium Reminds me a bit of my game. Ahead of me in tech but behind in expansion and military. Diplo (and Mansa) is keeping you from being a target, but I feel we still need to boost military in thee next round. I'd get at least 2 settlers out ASAP to settle the north. Tech rate is great and your economy can easily take the hit anyway.
1 vote: King Morgan This is solid, but could have been better, IMHO. There are some things I don't understand (please answer or comment KingM). Firstly, how does Mansa have that southern barb city (i.e. why didn't you take it), and Gao? Those spots really belong belong to us, and now it looks as if Shaka is going to get the southern barb city which will be a total pain. If we carry on from here, we should bribe him to take peace with Mansa and take it ourselves. One more thing, why are your cities grown into so much unhappiness. They are at +2 and +3 
some of them, and the GL could have whipped them all away a few turns back. Are you intentionally keeping their pops high? Finally, what are you planning on doing with the Great Prophet? He has been there a while .
3 votes: Lansky I like the stack. I like the diplo situation. Still have room to expand through paece/force. Carrying on from here will obviously mean killing Shaka. Tech pace will pick up quickly after further expansion/peace, and you are doing quite well for now.
2 votes: Chromium Reminds me a bit of my game. Ahead of me in tech but behind in expansion and military. Diplo (and Mansa) is keeping you from being a target, but I feel we still need to boost military in thee next round. I'd get at least 2 settlers out ASAP to settle the north. Tech rate is great and your economy can easily take the hit anyway.
1 vote: King Morgan This is solid, but could have been better, IMHO. There are some things I don't understand (please answer or comment KingM
). Firstly, how does Mansa have that southern barb city (i.e. why didn't you take it), and Gao? Those spots really belong belong to us, and now it looks as if Shaka is going to get the southern barb city which will be a total pain. If we carry on from here, we should bribe him to take peace with Mansa and take it ourselves. One more thing, why are your cities grown into so much unhappiness. They are at +2 and +3 some of them, and the GL could have whipped them all away a few turns back. Are you intentionally keeping their pops high? Finally, what are you planning on doing with the Great Prophet? He has been there a while .
RRRaskolnikov
Goldfish
Mansa also took it in my shadow and I had to dow to reclaimed it
I am surprised no one got "Shaka" related troubles, in my game he was in WHEOOHRN since 200 AD despite pleased status and I had to ask him a tribut to avoid a surprise DoW...Mansa also took it in my shadow and I had to dow to reclaimed it
Oh he was very angry in my game. He took the SE barb city maybe 3 turns into this session and instantly began getting ready to attack me since Mansa was a Jew and I was a pagan. I still would have attacked him anyway, since I always attack him when I'm his neighbor. Just kind of pushed stuff along.
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