Emperor SG

[50_dollar_bag]

What about trading HBR to Pacal for Mono + his gold, now that we have religion OR should be pretty good for us.

I think we should just build the GL in Carthage, there's another civ out there with marble methinks, and whilst none of the Aesthetics wonders have gone yet I still think 20 odd turns of building it in Utica might be pushing it.

We should set up our academy now in Utica I think, we're just wasting beakers by holding him until a better city comes along.

 

[Zargon]

I think I agree on both counts. Carthage might not get the academy, but splitting the great library and the academy only costs 3 beakers per turn. Additionally, Carthage is better equipped to take advantage of the 8 GPPs, since it has 3 food resources to run more specialists on top of that.

GL in Carthage, Academy in Utica.

edit: Hippo is set on a monument, and it was whipped. The city grows slow as molasses, so we shouldn't whip it. Also, for the same reason, a granary should be the next build there. Other than that, looks good. I'd advocate building that city the settler is sitting on in the initial turn, since barbs are no longer a threat from the south.

 

[MrFelony]

that sounds good. GL in carthage and academy in utica? the one possible thing is that if we bulbed the GS, we could start building our UB and also get optics shortly thereafter which would allow us to meet the other continents probably before they get compass or w/e and would probably result in some good trades depending on who we find. just a thought. also i'm not sure why i whipped hippo if I did. it would have been for a library if I did, which takes even longer to build than it does for utica to grow. also, with the borders popping sooner, it means we can get the sugar farmed so that it'll start growing a lot faster. I tend to be adverse to whipping when the city will take forever to grow back.

 

[dl123654]

I think that puts me up then. Will play tomorrow morning.

 

[50_dollar_bag]

Compass is only 400 bulbs which seems like a bit of a waste to me, a GS will usually score at least 1000 bulbs (i usually get 1700-1800 on education). Much better I think to either hold for a more expensive lightbulb or use as an academy.
Regarding our UB, with the GL it's probably only half as good as it normally is, we get an extra traderoute but our coastal cities already have 4 (instead of 2 with currency) and the extra tradeorute will most likely me internal. Carthage and Utica would benefit because of their size.

IMO we should aim to get Astro with Lib, therefore holding our GS for Phil/Education might be better.

 

[Zargon]

I agree bulbing compass is a bad move.

I do agree our UB is a slightly lower priority since we have the great lighthouse, but I'd still say it's kind of important, since an extra trade route is an extra trade route, even if its only the 5th best one.

 

[dl123654]

Turn 1 (no preturn):
Changed capital to GL, done in 11
Sent GS to Utrca

Turn 2:
Utrca has a Acd
Get science up to 30%, currency in 9

IBT:
We catch a spy

Turn 3:

Turn 4:

IBT:
Maya are first to music

Turn 5:

Turn 6:

IBT:
Greece finishes all religion civic wonder
GL BIDL (at least we get some money)

Turn 7:

Turn 9:
Finish Currency, set to Priesthood due next turn
Maya takes are pigs and horses with the great artist
Notice a mayan sword heading to that barbarian city, send some units with him

Turn 10:
Set research for CoL, we can get it in 2 turns, which will help the economy a lot

Notes:
Just remember typing this up that I forgot to set the capital specialist back

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[MrFelony]

that GA definitely hurt us. I like astro with Lib. the Corthon also boosts our trade routes by 50%. we can research it manually and you are right that it is better to save the GS for education (which is a beast to research). bulbing compass was one of those silly ideas i get when playing SGs that i'd probably never do in single player games . i think we need to focus on try to get culture into our (previously) horse city. luckily we still have Iron and elephants :/

 

[Zargon]

I'll play it tonight. I'll probably research compass after CoL, and.... who knows after that.

The statue of Zeus would have helped out a lot in the culture war over in the marble city, but with some 4000 culture to overcome now, we would sooner win it back by building an army and doing it the old fashioned way. Not that I think that's a wise move right now. We still have good land to expand into, and an economy to revive. If we take the gold city to win back the horses & pigs, we will have to drop the peace facade and start maintaining a full time army to deal with an unhappy neighbor.

 

[Zargon]

turn 0:
Hippo is building a barracks. This town is going to have crap and a half production until universal suffrage. It shouldn't be building anything but commerce infrastructure. Switched to markets (but might revise to courthouse at CoL)

Got gold out of pacal again.

turn 1: Founded the stone city, only because I forgot to on turn 0

turn 4: great, the moai city was stolen out from under our noses. Pacal took it from 3 archers with a single swordsman.

turn 5: status of zeus in. Good thing too, we were about to lose 3 more tiles.

turn 6: partially prompted by a barb galley pillaging our nice things, I trade for metal casting & monotheism.

enter enter enter...

turn 10: compass in

to do list:
Cottage Hippo more fastlier. It can work more tiles than we have improvements
More improvements for the iron city
Finish the road from iron city to stone city. The two workers can do it on their way back from stone city to Hippo.
Keep whipping forges and courthouses, in particular, Thapsus and iron city. Even Hippo probably ought to whip the courthouse soon, given that it will soon have a food surplus of 5.

Questions to ponder:
Calender next? We have two calender happy resources just sitting around, and pacal won't trade.
Trade compass for monarchy? Could then revolt to HR/OR. Could probably get some money for it too, I'd do it.

 

[MrFelony]

I'll play it tonight. I'll probably research compass after CoL, and.... who knows after that.

The statue of Zeus would have helped out a lot in the culture war over in the marble city, but with some 4000 culture to overcome now, we would sooner win it back by building an army and doing it the old fashioned way. Not that I think that's a wise move right now. We still have good land to expand into, and an economy to revive. If we take the gold city to win back the horses & pigs, we will have to drop the peace facade and start maintaining a full time army to deal with an unhappy neighbor.

those were my thoughts exactly, but i wasnt sure if we were going the war path any time soon. I think we should put off on the road for now. we dont really need it besides hastening travel, and if we're as unimproved as we are, we should get those cities working improved tiles as soon as possible imo. I kind of want to keep our compass monopoly for a little while to help ensure that we're the first ones to circumnavigate the globe.

should we go for forge/colossus? I havent taken a look at our save yet, but I am curious to see the culture situation for SoZ city and how long it'll take to reclaim at least the horses. After reading the update, i'm leaning very strongly in favor of DoW pacal

 

[MrFelony]

1) MrFelony
2) dl123654
3) Zargon just played
4) 50 dollar bag up

 

[50_dollar_bag]

OK I've got it.

Shame about the culture bomb, at least we have another source of horse.
Pacal is 3 turns to CS and will probably go towards machinery next which will make him an unattractive target until we can do the same.

An army wouldn't hurt us anyway so I might make that my aim of my turnset, Elephants and Catapults.

I might be unable to have internet access in the next couple of days, so if I don't post my turns by tomorrow consider me a skip.

 

[Zargon]

We are still low on the power chart, and we need to remember that pacal and pericles are best buddies. If we attack one, we will get a relationship penalty with the other, and there's a good chance the other could get dragged into the war against us.

It's a tough situation.

If we aren't going to war though, we shouldn't build too terribly much in the way of military, we are already paying 6 military upkeep.

Currently pacal has 9 cities, pericles has 7, we have 9. If we hurry it up, there's 5-7 more cities we could settle on the island. They've already settled all their spots. I'm certain we can outrace in terms of tech if we go that route in the long run, and I think we will need a tech advantage to beat them militarily, and right now we are behind.

 

[MrFelony]

the city pacal stole under our noses could actually benefit us since it is going to be a slight drain on his economy cause of distance. I was thinking we should just go in a war with him to take the city that he dropped the culture bomb in and the city behind our borders and then sue for peace unless it's going extremely well and we can take some other nice cities. by taking the culture bomb city, we also secure ourselve a source of gold so we wouldnt have to rely on pacal for the extra +1

 

[MrFelony]

Skip me until at least after thursday. I have an important midterm on thursday so i've uninstalled civ until at least after it

 

[50_dollar_bag]

Played my turns.
Sorry I'll have to do better on a turn report next time, had to unexpectedly drop into work after my Tariffs courseand didn't have my notes on me. It sucks when nobody else can do your job .

Executive summary:
Made the Monarchy trade with Pericles.
We got a GM and I had a grand plan to bulb CS and use it to trade for machinery off Pericles but he must have been researching it and I had to put 2 turns in myself.
Didn't build any military, most cities we on long term builds and the builder in me was pleased.
I don't think I've revolted to Beareaucracy yet.
Carthage has a Cothon now and Utica should have on soon.
Remove the WB from Thaenae's queue, I didn't see the WB on the fish until I'd saved it.
I'm hoping to have an internet connection at home soon, but I need to fix my PC as Titan Quest wiped the Process name out of the Telephony service and that's caused a string of dependency errors and I don't know how to edit process names .

 

[Zargon]

That makes dl123654 next.

Even if we couldn't get anything for it in trade, CS is still not a bad move.

And I've never heard of a computer problem like that. Perhaps try reinstalling or repairing the drivers for your ethernet card or modem? Doing that might reset stuff like naming conventions.

 

[dl123654]

That makes dl123654 next.

Thanks for the reminder, got it.

 

[dl123654]

Very boring turnset...

Research, finished optics, drama, and did half of fudeuism

Built a few maces to deter the ai from attacking, after fudeuism longbowmen should be built inbetween buildings

Most worker actions were to cottage around Hippo, they are still growing fast and the terrain is keeping up

Culture builds were made in Kerkouane, we gained 1%-2% on the contested squares

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