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Discussion in 'Civ4 - Succession Games' started by MrFelony, Oct 2, 2007.

  1. MrFelony

    MrFelony Prince

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    It looks like we'll be getting a GS in our capital with in the next 1-2 turn sets. any thoughts on what to do with him? its also good to see that we'll win the cultural war in the long run. did you build a theater in kerkouane? also, why fuedalism? just wondering cause i almost never research that tech since it's not in my preferred tech path. my guess is for the LBs, but I usually prefer an offensive defense over a defensive one. though knights will be a big help
     
  2. Zargon

    Zargon Warlord

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    I'll play tonight or tomorrow. I'll have to have a look before I pass judgment on the great scientist. We only know two of the AIs, and that's a huge downside to judging how the liberalism race goes. If it looks like the liberalism race is unwinnable either way, building an academy in hippo seems a strong option.
     
  3. 50_dollar_bag

    50_dollar_bag Imitation Louis Vuitton

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    Good idea on the GS Zargon. I assume DL sent out some caravels. If not we have a Trireme we can upgrade on the West coast.
     
  4. Zargon

    Zargon Warlord

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    turn 0: Things look ok. No deals to be done

    turn 6: optics in, philosophy next. If we can trade for paper, we might have a shot at liberalism. But we won't be getting a great scientist. The fastest we could get one is something like 30 turns.

    turn 7: I decide to build a settler for one more city. (Maybe two more).

    turn 8: Islam FIADL



    turn 9: pacal canceled some deal



    turn 10: pacal offers us paper for machinery + 65 gold. Not the fairest deal ever since paper is less expensive than machinery, but I take it anyways for a jump on the liberalism race. We are now more or less even with Pacal (he's researching philosophy, and 3 turns away, we're 2 turns away.



    Our economy is continuing to strengthen, and I think we can edge out Pacal for liberalism. Hopefully somebody on another continent won't take it out from under our noses.

    to do list:
    1) philosophy > education > liberalism
    2) keep cottaging up. In particular, our two cities north and northeast of the capitol need more cottages. Hippo is getting cottaged fast now, so we should be able to redirect a worker or two after the next cottage. The iron city needs a pair of cottages too, and there's a pair of workers there to do it.
    3) A caravel is built, go exploring, find neighbors so we can figure out where we stand on liberalism (though it's too late to really change our course in that matter)

    recommendations:
    1) I started the settler in the iron city, but I wouldn't settle him until the liberalism race is decided. At this pace we will edge out both of our island companions, but we can't afford any slowdowns.
    2) A few more military can't hurt. Don't want any surprises from antsy neighbors.
    3) Go light on the specialists. If a city can work a cottage instead of a specialist, it's probably best to do that. I'd keep two scientists going in the capitol though.
     

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  5. 50_dollar_bag

    50_dollar_bag Imitation Louis Vuitton

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    I guess that makes me up.

    Unless MrFelony has finished his paper and has installed civ again. Interesting concept, I'd probably give the civ 4 disc to my girlfriend at tell her not to give it back to me until a certain time, but then she'd probably never give it back to me :lol:

    Lib is definately on the wishlist. After Lib what are our goals? Obviously Democracy would be awesome for us, as well as Astronomy and Economics for the customs houses.
    What do we want to take with Lib? I'm thinking Astronomy for sure, we'll loose the Monument happy but gain many through trading.
     
  6. Zargon

    Zargon Warlord

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    I think the democracy line can wait for astronomy & economics. Overseas trade routes & custom houses would be awesome with all the cities we have laying around with 5 trade routes.
     
  7. MrFelony

    MrFelony Prince

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    not yet, midterm is tomorrow night. I got up home friday and will be able to play over the weekend. so swap and I'll play over the weekend?
     
  8. 50_dollar_bag

    50_dollar_bag Imitation Louis Vuitton

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    I've played.

    Revolted to Beareaucracy ;)
    Check up on Pacal, he has 11 gpt available and we have a spare sugar, ask him for Drama but he declines.
    Have a look around and see we're improving a few non riverside tiles around Hippo, I pretty much always improve riverside tiles first even if there's jungle to chop first.

    Next turn Pacal stops his free gold deal and we have nothing to trade, except Marble or stone, I choose Marble as we'll want stone for Oxford, we can cancel later when we are going for the Taj Mahal.

    Pericles gets fish for 6 gold.

    Pericles steals paper off us.

    turn 177 meet Zara Yaqob (i had screenshots but forgot to put them on my memory stick) from memory he was up drama/music/Theology/engineering. We have Optics and Phil on him.

    next couple of turns meet Justinian (no techs on him, he has the same as Yaqob) and Asoka (up same as Yaqob, missing compass and Phil)
    1 civ remains.

    On the last turn I traded Phil+compass to Asoka for engineering. I'm almost 100% certain we'll win the liberalism race, Justinian is our only threat IMO and he doesn't have Education yet and we're 2 turns away and way ahead of Pacal.

    Next turn I'd swing a deal with Pacal using Engineering to grab maybe Fuedalism and drama (for a theatre in our culturally oppressed city).

    Carthage is on walls at the moment to slot in a castle next for the extra trade route, then I'd do an aqueduct next as Carthage will be unhealthy when it grows or we'd could ask Pacal nicely for his(our pigs) back.

    Feel free to veto the walls/castle we'll most likely have Economics 20 turns, bu it'll take 3 turns to build so that's around 17 turns of 4 extra commerce in our Beareaucratic capital :).

    You'll need to reselect Education (2 turns left).
     

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  9. 50_dollar_bag

    50_dollar_bag Imitation Louis Vuitton

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    :bump: Who's next? MrFelony or dl123654?
     
  10. dl123654

    dl123654 King

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    I thought it was MrFelony, but say the word and I'll take it.
     
  11. Zargon

    Zargon Warlord

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    I thought it was MrFelony too, but seeing as he hasn't posted a got it, I'd say dlnumbers is up next. If MrFelony shows up fast, he can play this turn set, if he shows up slow, he can take a swap and play the next, if he doesn't show up, I guess we'll skip him.
     
  12. dl123654

    dl123654 King

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    Fair enough, I have it, will play tonight
     
  13. MrFelony

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    Sorry, busy weekend :/. I was going to play, but didnt get around to it over the weekend. I also decided that in the interest of grades/sleep, that i should stop playing civ :(. soooo I wont be playing any more rounds, but i sure will keep lurking :).
     
  14. dl123654

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    Turn 0:
    Set research back to edu

    Turn 1:
    Start printing press for the extra commerse

    Turn 2:
    Maya are 3 turns from edu

    Turn 3:
    There is no northern passage on the other island

    IBT:
    GG BIDL (not sure who is at war but it must be on the other island)

    Turn 4:
    Found a new city on the new city site

    IBT:
    GG BIDL again

    Turn 5:
    Mayas start Liberalism, switch research, will beat them by a turn

    Turn 7:
    +1 ship movement
    BTS crashes, back to turn 4, catch up again, using same moves (to the best of my knowledge)

    Turn 9:
    Liberalism finished, Mayas switch to Engineering, take Ast as for free because it was the most expensive, go back to printing press
    Meet Bougica inbetween Zara and Justine, she is at war with Zara and it looks like she is losing

    http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/53396/mrfelony_AD-1300.CivBeyondSwordSave
     
  15. Zargon

    Zargon Warlord

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    I'll play tomorrow
     
  16. 50_dollar_bag

    50_dollar_bag Imitation Louis Vuitton

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    Sorry to see you drop out MrFelony, good luck with Real Life :)

    We're down to a 3 man roster, do we want to advertise for another player?
     
  17. MrFelony

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    ya, though my roommate buying a 50inch tv for his ps3 is going to really hurt my "focus on school" campaign lol. gj on grabbing liberalism. I think astro was probably the best choice since we focused on meeting the other civs. normally i go for nationalism to get the taj and start making my way to rifles. Do you guys think following the cemesty>canons/grenadiers path would be the best? I've found out why the AI likes beelining that so much. also, canons+maces destroy as well

    you could also build those privateers that everyone loves so much. I'm not that big of a fan since I haven't gotten too much money in my experience and usually on emp+ they don't last too long if you try to harass the more modern civs. what is the points/tech situation with the other continent? if they aren't as advanced (no where near frigates), I think it would be a good idea to harass them with some pirate action.
     
  18. Zargon

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    turn 0: traded boudica for feudalism, zara for music, and pacal for drama.
    Many resource trades.

    enter enter enter

    printing press is in, and I decide to go the top route towards democracy

    turn 6: I start the NE in the capitol, because frankly, we don't have anywhere better to put it.

    turn 8: Zara invites me to war on Boudica. I agree, figuring Boudica's gonna die, or at least be crippled anyways, and we could use the relations bonus with Zara.

    turn 9: Somebody traded away our 1 marble for pacal's gold. I was wondering why Taj wasn't offering the double speed bonus... cancelled that. Pacal won't make any reasonable trades for the gold, so screw him, we don't need it anymore.

    boring turnset. Built and built some more. Constitution, Democracy, and Taj Mahal next.
     

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  19. dl123654

    dl123654 King

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    $50 bag, you out there?

    PS. I posted a need for another player in the registration thread
     
  20. 50_dollar_bag

    50_dollar_bag Imitation Louis Vuitton

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    Yeah sorry got it.

    And played too.

    Made a few trades with Zara, Guilds and for Education, then Astronomy for Banking Theology. We we're beaten to economics by Pericles who's turning into a bit of a tech-beast. He also beat us to Taj by about 5 turns :mad: I think had I chopped I might have been able to beat him.
    I toned down research to have Democracy coincide with Taj finishing we have quite a lot in our bank ATM.

    The tech situation is OK now but we have some fast techers out there A couple of AI's have Scientific method already.

    Pacal will declare on Pericles (or pretty much anyone actually) for Nationalism/Economics and about 700 gold, I think that might be a good idea, they're both of equal power, and we can sway things with trading horses or elephants to either party.

    On the other continent Asoka is doing pretty well, it would be awesome to get him into a scrap with Justinian. Asoka likes Free religion so a gift of Lib might get us a fair trade bonus and make him convert to FR and have enough diplo points for him to declare. Longshot though.

    Bodi and Zara as far as I can tell aren't doing much to each other, but being dastardly might help us. A thought I had was to sue for peace with her giving her all obsolete techs thus avoiding Trading with enemy Malus form other AI's (does that work?) Zara is usually a tech monster in most of my games and having Bodi trim him a little wouldn't hurt.

    I think we still have one more uni to go before we can build Oxford in Carthage, it's just started a customs house.

    We have a GS in carthage. I think we should spark our first golden age when demo comes in for a free revolution.
     

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