End the Term Now?

[Epimethius]

In the US we don't stop time every couple of years and take a week to plan everything.

And I should think you could come up with a far better defence than it hurting chieftess' feelings. Considering what has happened before I'm surprised we care about that. Certainly if she said something to that extent I would care, but so far its just been people who tried to get her thrown out for a mistake saying this is needlessly mean.

 

[Black_Hole]

In the US we don't stop time every couple of years and take a week to plan everything.

And I should think you could come up with a far better defence than it hurting chieftess' feelings. Considering what has happened before I'm surprised we care about that. Certainly if she said something to that extent I would care, but so far its just been people who tried to get her thrown out for a mistake saying this is needlessly mean.

ummm which is what i said...
i said the same thing as your first line, and all i said was CT didnt break a law, so why the heck are u accusing me or accusing her of that?

 

[Epimethius]

You said in the US we won't postpone a war. But that's because in the US we can't stop time every few years. If we could, we'd take a nice long time to think it over. This is a like a question of holding the chat on Sunday or Monday, except that it has larger results.

At the very least we should stop the chat when war is actually declared.

 

[Provolution]

War plans are already set, and we would have won the first phase by the end of that TV

 

[Epimethius]

One issue I've been trying to draw attention to is the fact that, among other problems, there is no governor for me to take over from. Invy left early, and Noldodan seems to have forgotten he's deputy. Unless this passes, I can't take over. No one is running things, no one is explaining anything. I asked to know what happened as far as the palace in my city being cancelled without discussion, and I was ignored. I'm the mayor, and I had to figure things out from a poll explanation written for people at the chat. You may be ready, but I'm completely lost. And my province is about to cease existing.

 

[Chieftess]

I believe that would violate the constitution where it says all terms are 1 month long. Ending it now would be less than 1 month.

 

[blackheart]

One issue I've been trying to draw attention to is the fact that, among other problems, there is no governor for me to take over from. Invy left early, and Noldodan seems to have forgotten he's deputy. Unless this passes, I can't take over. No one is running things, no one is explaining anything. I asked to know what happened as far as the palace in my city being cancelled without discussion, and I was ignored. I'm the mayor, and I had to figure things out from a poll explanation written for people at the chat. You may be ready, but I'm completely lost. And my province is about to cease existing.

So that's what this is about. You should have just come right out and said that, instead of dancing around with the lack of preparedness on everyone's account. As CT pointed out, ending the term now would be illegal. There is not much to do in the case of Noldodan not being there, except maybe to "wake" him up. I suggest to stop this problem from occurring again, an amendment should be drawn up to allow an emergency override (don't we already have one?) or something along that sorts.

 

[Epimethius]

The term started on the third. What you are arguing is that ending it short by canceling the last chat is unconstitutional, because it cuts it has to end on the final day. But then it would also have to start on the first day, which it did not, or end a month later, on the third, which it clearly isn't going to. This is a simple delay. It as constitutional as every other delay. I'm sorry if it means you won't get a party, but I don't think we should jump into a bad situation like this so that we can follow tradition and be happy. Because we won't be happy later.

And Edo isn't the only problem. I didn't quite realize that until today. The problem is that, in general, we shouldn't hand things off like this. We should certainly stop it if war is declared, that's what we always do. But I feel that we should delay the whole thing, so that it is the effort of only one group. I don't think I'm the only one unprepared to take this steaming pile of deleted (or hot potato, if you want another metaphor), and even if we are, it just doesn't seem good to swich now.

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[Black_Hole]

The term started on the third. What you are arguing is that ending it short by canceling the last chat is unconstitutional, because it cuts it has to end on the final day. But then it would also have to start on the first day, which it did not, or end a month later, on the third, which it clearly isn't going to. This is a simple delay. It as constitutional as every other delay. I'm sorry if it means you won't get a party, but I don't think we should jump into a bad situation like this so that we can follow tradition and be happy. Because we won't be happy later.

And Edo isn't the only problem. I didn't quite realize that until today. The problem is that, in general, we shouldn't hand things off like this. We should certainly stop it if war is declared, that's what we always do. But I feel that we should delay the whole thing, so that it is the effort of only one group. I don't think I'm the only one unprepared to take this steaming pile of deleted (or hot potato, if you want another metaphor), and even if we are, it just doesn't seem good to swich now.

im pretty shur this term started on the fisrt like all others? what do you mean, the first chat was on the third? if so that doesnt mean the term started late

 

[donsig]

I believe that would violate the constitution where it says all terms are 1 month long. Ending it now would be less than 1 month.

Not having a chat is not the same thing as ending a term. Sheesh. The chat click will twist anything to get their chat fix.

 

[Chieftess]

Not having a chat is not the same thing as ending a term. Sheesh. The chat click will twist anything to get their chat fix.

Then why are you so uptight that I not have the chat? It's still my term until the 31st. There's nothing that says I can't have a turnchat on the 31st. And let's not go micromanaging the demogame and make laws saying that you can only have chats the 2nd and 3rd weeks and every 4-5 days. At that rate, we'll be having only 40 turns per term.

 

[Sir Donald III]

If you want a legality issue, think of the poor souls who serve in February. I'd easily bend the rules there to give the February Group either 31 January OR 1 March (not both).

However, all this mess over 1 Day. Or rather 6 Hours! Jeez.

CT schedules her TCs on Wed. Evenings and Sun Nights. Had this month ended on a Wednesday, I would be in control of that Wednesday Night (Thursday Morning GMT) chat and not CT. However, since it's still before 2359 GMT, she's still in control.

Now, if for some reason this TC extends past 6 Hours, THEN I would assume command.

I see no-think except for standard procedure on CT's part. If the First of the Month was a Sunday, then she would not have scheduled a chat for that Sunday, as it would be outside her term.


And Epi, The Forbidden Palace has been restored to Odawara's Build Queue. We can play 1 turn at least.

If this is all really a problem, then the only thing the DP CAN do, since Odawara didn't have anything other than the FP in its Queue last TC, is Stop the Chat at the End of Turn 1. This is because, in the other cities, they had "Previous Orders" from the last TC. However, Odawara has no other orders.

I would be happy to pick this all back up as early as Tuesday. But for now, Let CT play out the turns she is able.

 

[Cyc]

Man, this has turned into a weird game...

 

[Provolution]

LOL Cyc, only good, let us bring it to the Casino

 

[Epimethius]

People need to stop throwing around legality issues. Delaying the chat is an easy, simple procedure. You can't argue that the term didn't last a month, becuase it isn't defined by chats (if it was, then it would only have lasted 28 days, not 31). You can't argue that the DP has power to schedule it whenever she wants, because the People have power over the DP, so if we say delay it, its getting delayed. Delaying it is perfectly legal.

Now I have to go to work....

 

[Black_Hole]

You can't argue that the DP has power to schedule it whenever she wants, because the People have power over the DP, so if we say delay it, its getting delayed. Delaying it is perfectly legal.

Here we go again, the DP currently(laws may be passed soon creating certain amount of time required between TCs) has the right to schedule turnchats whenver he/she wants,
i will way this again: the Will of the People cannot break the constitution

 

[blackheart]

People need to stop throwing around legality issues. Delaying the chat is an easy, simple procedure. You can't argue that the term didn't last a month, becuase it isn't defined by chats (if it was, then it would only have lasted 28 days, not 31). You can't argue that the DP has power to schedule it whenever she wants, because the People have power over the DP, so if we say delay it, its getting delayed. Delaying it is perfectly legal.

Now I have to go to work....

Except we aren't saying delay it.

 

[Chieftess]

The term will be over at 7:00pm EDT today, just like it's supposed to.

 

[Epimethius]

And that would be true even if the last Term III turnchat was on Oct. 15.

As for the Will of the People being below the Constitution, I've addressed the absolute absurdity and hypocrisy of that in the other thread.

 

[Chieftess]

But a final turnchat on the 15th would be purposely sabotaging the game so that nothing (or next to nothing) happens.