Ethiopia: The Land of Wonder

Yes you can. We are now filled up in our ministry. Anyone who, wants to have a position that is taken must debate for the position they want. Every minister is obliged to at least 1 update before they can be moved out of office.
 
Ethiopia is too isolated from the world. I propose we strive for an open border agreement with the Arabs to our West and send a naval exploration force East to make contact with civilizations of Asia. The decision to convert to Islam was a well thought move and I commend this decision. This should be the bulwark of our relation with Arabia for sometime to come. I also propose we send an additional horse archer for exploring the Sahara to find out if there are any civilizations along the mediterranean. An explorer/scout should go to make contact with a civilization in the North beyond the borders of Arabia. With them we should trade technologies and money and expand trade to boost the strength of our empire.

I concur on the open borders agreement. We need to scout them before we even think about invading Egypt. "Know thy enemy" and what not.
 
I oppose Minister Lord Bigfoot's proposal to invade Egypt as long as the Arabs are in control ! We must admit Ethiopia's bitter reality, that we are a backward nation whose military, though large cannot match to the sheer might of the Arabs and other advanced civilizations. We must establish trade with the East and West and leverage our position as a coastal empire bringing prosperity and advancement. Only when the Egyptians decide to form their own kingdom would I say we consider invading them. Friendship with the Arabs is a necessity as they control the navigable routes between Africa and the rest of Asia. This should be kept as long as possible.
 
I oppose Minister Lord Bigfoot's proposal to invade Egypt as long as the Arabs are in control ! We must admit Ethiopia's bitter reality, that we are a backward nation whose military, though large cannot match to the sheer might of the Arabs and other advanced civilizations. We must establish trade with the East and West and leverage our position as a coastal empire bringing prosperity and advancement. Only when the Egyptians decide to form their own kingdom would I say we consider invading them. Friendship with the Arabs is a necessity as they control the navigable routes between Africa and the rest of Asia. This should be kept as long as possible.

I'll admit that currently we are weak in the military. That is why we must embark on a build up of our military forces! If the Arab's decided to invade us we'd be helpless to stop them! We must have a military capable of offensive action anytime anywhere! I'm not opposed to trading with the Arabs but we must make sure every trade is in our favor. As for other nations in the east and west I support trading with them and using the economic boost to support the military.
 
If you're wary of the Arabs, then invading Egypt would still be a bad idea as long as the Arabs rule it. I too agree with building military strength in principle, but chiefly as a defensive force. Besides why should we take Egypt by conquest ? When the whole of Africa is open to us ! What taking Egypt will do is only push our frontiers closer to the Arabs and make us even more vulnerable to their hordes ! We must be patient, it will take us centuries ( 4 centuries to be precise ;) ) before we can take them out.
 
If you're wary of the Arabs, then invading Egypt would still be a bad idea as long as the Arabs rule it. I too agree with building military strength in principle, but chiefly as a defensive force. Besides why should we take Egypt by conquest ? When the whole of Africa is open to us ! What taking Egypt will do is only push our frontiers closer to the Arabs and make us even more vulnerable to their hordes ! We must be patient, it will take us centuries ( 4 centuries to be precise ;) ) before we can take them out.

Defensive force!? If you said that to one of our soldiers that you want to limit the military to being a defensive force you'd get punched square in the face. Our soldier know that with the proper numbers and training we can easily take Egypt and the Arab's controlling it. We must build up the military and free Egypt from the Arab menace!
 
Defensive force!? If you said that to one of our soldiers that you want to limit the military to being a defensive force you'd get punched square in the face. Our soldier know that with the proper numbers and training we can easily take Egypt and the Arab's controlling it. We must build up the military and free Egypt from the Arab menace!

You would rather we waste thousands of Ethiopian lives fighting a useless war. Admit it minister ! You are only pressing the demand for the annexation of Egypt to further the powers of your office ! A war like that would only make you and your office more powerful ! You are the minister of expansion, yet the only place you've set your sights on for expanding is Egypt !

And you question the building of a defensive force ?? Wasn't it you who said these words :
I'll admit that currently we are weak in the military. That is why we must embark on a build up of our military forces! If the Arab's decided to invade us we'd be helpless to stop them! We must have a military capable of offensive action anytime anywhere! I'm not opposed to trading with the Arabs but we must make sure every trade is in our favor. As for other nations in the east and west I support trading with them and using the economic boost to support the military.

It would seem quite pertinent to remind our esteemed minister of expansion who would take the slap from the Ethiopian soldier now :lol: .
 
You would rather we waste thousands of Ethiopian lives fighting a useless war. Admit it minister ! You are only pressing the demand for the annexation of Egypt to further the powers of your office ! A war like that would only make you and your office more powerful ! You are the minister of expansion, yet the only place you've set your sights on for expanding is Egypt !
I'm not advicating we invade right now. I'm advicating we build our forces up and prepare for an invasion of Egypt.

It would seem quite pertinent to remind our esteemed minister of expansion who would take the slap from the Ethiopian soldier now :lol: .
There is no shame in admitting that currently we can't do anything but defend ourselves currently. However unlike you I want the military to be built up into a capable offensive force. Now enough of the petty arguing as we should let our king decide on our future course.
 
If you guys are so into Egypt, why not build some cities sort of near Egypt's borders so that we may be able to culture flip a few cities?

Culture is always the best way to go. ;)
 
I propose that the decision to wage war against Arabia be put to a ministerial vote. The minister of Expansion may place his proposal before the cabinet for approval. A simple majority would be required.

As i've said before i'm not advocating we go to war right now. I'm saying we should build up our military in preparation for a war against the Arabs. This is also a form of deterrence so they won't think about invading us. Now that we've stated our positions we should let our king decide what to do.
 
I let this go on because it was just hilarious :lol: I honestly agree with adhiraj.bose that an invasion force is not necessary and we have everything we need with sub-equatorial Africa.
 
What a pushy minister :p It will hopefully come out tomorrow.
 
As stated by his advisers, Zara Yaqob decides to send a naval expedition East to find new civilizations to hopefully trade with. Horizons would expand and hopefully so would the economy.
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Also as requested by the Minister of Expansion, half the army was tasked to move North to Meroe to fight the barbarian invasions. The horse archers would take quite a while to get there though so they would be useless right now but would hopefully can stave off future invasions.
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As expected, the barbarian medjays attacked with their archery against the Ethiopian swordsmen. They endlessly threw themselves, wave after wave, against the defending troops. The swordsmen were some of the finest troops that Zara Yaqob could have asked for as they held strong against barbarian nomads.
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In the newly founded city of Yeha, the defending forces had to deal with similar barbarian invasions of impis. It was a hard life, on the frontier, but it would pay off in the end. With both copper and iron Ethiopia could now become a military power.
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The final group of barbarians were killed by Ethiopian blades. The workers building the cotton plantations at Meroe now were not living in constant fear of a brutal death at the hands of native savages.
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Unfortunately there was some territory standing between new lands and Ethiopia. The trireme had no choice but to declare war on this small city to be able to pass through its lands. This was unfortunate but necessary.
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The exploration paid off! Or so they thought. The emissaries aboard the Ethiopian ship made landfall near India and met with an Indian envoy. They did not trust us nor did they even want to give open borders. They were willing to trade us Currency but we had nothing they wanted for it. The meeting a miserable failure. The position of the Minister of Foreign Affairs was looking shaky but things were alright.
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The army finally moved into Meroe to defend the frontier city from outside invasion. They promised the citizens they would keep them safe, or die trying.
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With no where to go the trireme decided to move into the Persian gulf to maybe find other civilizations. As they sailed up the sea they encountered pirates and a battle ensued. Ethiopia lost. This was Ethiopia's only trireme and now besides a galley or two the coast was undefended. This was unacceptable and the citizens were outraged. In response the king asked the Minister of Foreign Affairs to take sabbatical and take a rest next time the ministers were called together. He still held his position he just would not appear next meeting. Zara did not want to do it but thought it necessary to keep the citizens happy.
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On the frontiers of Gondar there were more invaders. They attacked with furiousity against the horse archers defending the city. Miraculously the city was defend against the impi invaders. The outer cities were the walls to protect interior Ethiopia and were heralded as the heroes of the empire.
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In the North there were more savages that were moving onto friendly territory. The horse archers stationed in Meroe were ordered to advance towards the barbarian archers and intercept them before they do any damage. They faced off against each other before battle, then we attacked. The horses were galloping at full speed towards the terrified archers across the desert firing arrows at record speeds. The archers could not stand up and were easily defeated by the superior Ethiopian army.
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With the Gondaran Silver Mines completed they were now in need of protection. The workers that had built it were now being targeted by a pride of lions to the South so soldiers were dispatched to defend the civilians. With more money, more research, and increasing military power Ethiopia was sure to grow now. Things were looking wonderful.
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Dang. That expedition to the east couldn't have gone any worse.

I know it was half depressing. That's why I unfortunately have asked adhiraj.bose to not attend next meeting. To appease the angry citizens.
 
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