Ethnically Diverse Units (4/16/06)

[GeoModder]

@yellowhorse: Thank you What's a travois?

From Encyclopedia.com:

TRAVOIS [travois] , device used by Native North Americans of the Great Plains for transporting their tepees and household goods. It consisted of two poles, lashed one on either side of a dog or, later, a horse, with one end of each pole dragging on the ground. It had straps or wooden crosspieces between the poles near the open end that served as a carrier. Like the sledge, the travois was used by Native Americans before any use of wheels was known to them.

 

[Sevo]

Great work Rabbit! Thanks for finishing the groups out!

 

[seZereth]

the new ones do look nice!

 

[Houman]

Rabbit,

Are you still working on this? Extending it to Mediterranean and Native Americans, or are you finished for now and I can implement it already now in the Mod.

Cheers
Houman

 

[Rabbit, White]

Rabbit,

Are you still working on this? Extending it to Mediterranean and Native Americans, or are you finished for now and I can implement it already now in the Mod.

Cheers
Houman

Implement it. There aren't going to be any major additions anytime soon.

 

[khmerballa]

Hey, Rabbit is there a way to load this mod with other mods. I would appreciate it if u or anybody can tell me how to load multiple mods.

 

[Houman]

Download link isn't working.

 

[Rabbit, White]

Download link isn't working.

Doh , sorry about that, I forgot I moved it. It should be working now.

 

[Rabbit, White]

Hey, Rabbit is there a way to load this mod with other mods. I would appreciate it if u or anybody can tell me how to load multiple mods.

You can't really load multiple mods, you have to merge them. In the case of this mod it should be fairly simple. You need to copy all the units and buttons into the other mod. Then for XML files, you'll need to copy the additions that I made into the same files in the other mod, unless it doesn't have that particular file, then you can just copy it.

I did do quite a few changes to XMLs but if you use something like winmerge it should be fairly easy to figured what I added/modified.

 

[Thunderfall]

The download link is broken. Rabbit, you can use Easy Upload to upload the file. The file size limit for this is 5 MB. If it's bigger, you can use 3D Downloads's upload feature.

 

[Shqype]

These are in fact not shrunken adults, but the vanilla child settler model, so any complaints about head size should be directed to Firaxis. I have however, modified them to be a bit different 'cause I didn't like them being completely identical. Here is an updated preview shot of asian settler, warrior and scout.



I'm fairly happy with these. As you can see I made the kids different a bit, and I adjusted their, and the female's textures to fit more with the male's. It still doesn't match it perfectly but it seems ok to me and I really didn't want to spend another half an hour adjusting hues and shades on these textures. As I said in the past, I encourage people to create their own textures for these as my skills in that area are limited (especially when it comes to fabric and organic materials).

The idea behind the warrior and the scout is that these are the same folks as the settlers that just picked up weapons to defend themselves, which is of course how it was historically.

In fact, these Asian units are pretty much done - about 99%. All I want to do is change the scout's formation so he stands by the horse. Unless of course there are suggestions for more changes . I am going to post these together with the arabian settler so until then it'll be easier for me to change things.

Very nice! The man with the stick looks like he could be a Martial Artist Grand Master! That could make for a very interesting unit in a mod/scenario

 

[NP300]

Those are the modern Egyptians you're talking about. For a few thousand years, many populations from west Asia and southern Europe have migrated into Egypt after the pharaohs; Greeks, Romans, Persians, Assyrians, Arabs, and Turks. This is why olive-skinned people occur in the nation today, especially in the north near the Delta, which has received the most immigration. Of course, that doesn't make those people less Egyptian, any more than non-indigenous blood makes pale-skinned Americans less American.

In southern Egypt, which has received substantially less immigration, African phenotypes and dark skin appear more often.

You have it the other way around. There was no substantial immigration into Egypt from Eurasia after the neolithic revolution around 10,000BC. The Arabs, Romans and Greeks simply ruled over Egypt. They didn't send any significant numbers of settlers or migrants.

In fact, the immigration that did happen was the other way around, from southern Egypt and Nubia into northern Egypt.

Here are studies by physical anthropologists regarding the ancient Egyptians:

http://www.geocities.com/enbp/physanth.html

Note how the skulls of even the ancient southern Egyptians group closer to the Swiss (#10 in the diagram) than they do with sub-saharan Africans. The ancient northern Egyptians group deeply in the European/West Asian cluster.

The northern Egyptians deviate even more strongly from the tropical African pattern, and indeed their closest relatives appear to be western Eurasians and coastal North Africans.

More information:

http://www.geocities.com/enbp/

So the ancient northern Egytians were indeed roughly "olive-skinned". They may have gotten "darker" with the conquest of Nubia and subsequent gene flow from the south to the north. This conclusion is supported by genetic research:

http://www.sitesled.com/members/racialreality/egypt_nubia.html

"...we can infer that the migration of northern mtDNA types to the south is older than the migration of southern mtDNA types to the north (or that there has been less gene flow from north to south than from south to north along the Nile River Valley) and that Egypt and Nubia have had more genetic contact than either has had with the southern Sudan. Moreover, we can tentatively infer that these migrations occurred recently enough to fall within the period of the documented historical record of human populations in the Nile River Valley."

(Krings et al., Am J Hum Genet, 1999)

"It is interesting to relate this peculiar north/south differentiation, a pattern of genetic variation deriving from the two uniparentally inherited genetic systems (mtDNA and Y chromosome), to specific historic events. Since the beginning of Egyptian history (3200-3100 B.C.), the legendary king Menes united Upper and Lower Egypt. Migration from north to south may coincide with the Pharaonic colonization of Nubia, which occurred initially during the Middle Kingdom (12th Dynasty, 1991-1785 B.C.), and more permanently during the New Kingdom, from the reign of Thotmosis III (1490-1437 B.C.). The main migration from south to north may coincide with the 25th Dynasty (730-655 B.C.), when kings from Napata (in Nubia) conquered Egypt."


(Lucotte et al., Am J Phys Anthro, 2003)

Results suggest that morphological changes observed historically in the Nubian populations are more likely to be due to the existence of south-north gene flow through the Nile Valley than to in-situ evolution."

(C.L. Fox, Ann Hum Biol, 1997)

In other words, first there was gene flow from northern Egypt (not Eurasia) to southern Egypt, coinciding with Egypt's conquest of Nubia. Then there was gene flow from the south to the north, which represented a flow of Nubian genes northwards.

Thus in post-neolithic times there was migration from the south to the north, which is a conclusion supported by genetic science. This is the complete opposite of the theory that posits migration from Eurasia into Egypt in post-neolithic times.

Also, while this is not mentioned in the studies I quoted, significant numbers of sub-saharan African slaves were brought into Egypt during the Islamic slave trade, which also resulted in gene flow from sub-saharan Africa into Egypt. This is documented by Bernard Lewis in his book "Race and Slavery in the Middle East:

http://www.us.oup.com/us/catalog/24986/subject/HistoryOther/?view=usa&ci=9780195053265

These more African-looking people as a rule of thumb have the most pharaonic blood.

We know what the pharaohs looked like because they left behind their mummies as you can see here:


http://www.geocities.com/enbp/eg_pics.html

Ramesses II:

http://www.narmer.pl/ima_mum/ramzes2_1.jpg

Yuya:

http://www.maat.com.au/images/Yuya.gif


They don't look like sub-saharan Africans to me.

 

[Belizan]

Very sexy .

 

[Mayan Raptor]

You have it the other way around. There was no substantial immigration into Egypt from Eurasia after the neolithic revolution around 10,000BC. The Arabs, Romans and Greeks simply ruled over Egypt. They didn't send any significant numbers of settlers or migrants.

Actually, many immigrants from Eurasia have migrated into Egypt over history. Some Greek rulers' policies encouraged immigration into Egypt, though admittedly not much immigration occurred in Roman times. Many Arabs and Bedouins settled into Egypt during the Middle Ages, sometimes encouraged by the caliphate. I know this because I have an online Egyptian friend who has read about and studied their own history (both pharaonic and post-pharaonic) and shared his conclusions with me. He has recommended the following books:

Egypt After the Pharaohs: 332 Bc-Ad 642 from Alexander to the Arab Conquest (Paperback)
by Alan K. Bowman
ISBN: 0520205316


Greeks in Ptolemaic Egypt (Classics in Papyrology, 2) (Paperback)
by Naphtali Lewis (Editor)
ISBN: 0970059124

Life in Egypt Under Roman Rule (Classics in Papyrology, V. 1) (Paperback)
by Naphtali Lewis
ISBN: 0788505602

Admittedly, I do not know if he works as an expert historian in the PHd sense of the word, but given his background and resourcefulness I have come to trust him.

Actually, some immigration into Egypt from Eurasia occurred during the Hysko Period, though I do not know its significance.

In fact, the immigration that did happen was the other way around, from southern Egypt and Nubia into northern Egypt.

I do not deny some of this happened.

Here are studies by physical anthropologists regarding the ancient Egyptians:

http://www.geocities.com/enbp/physanth.html

Brace's research has many flaws:

1) Over-representation of Europe and under-representation of Africans (Africa has more people than Europe)

2) His "sub-Saharan" sample includes mostly people from west and central Africa, where traditional "Negroids" live, and therefore does not represent tropical Africa's phenotypical diversity.

3) A disproportionate amount of his 24 variables concern nasal measurements; nose forms only one aspect of craniomorphology.

4) Heck, cranial shape only concerns ONE part of phenotype. Ancient Egyptian limb ratios have been described as "super-Negroid"---limb ratios say as much about biological affinity as face.

As for your genetic research...Krings found that his Egyptians had more Eurasian than African genes. I haven't found any evidence of any large Neolithic or predynastic Eurasian settlement into Egypt.

Fox's statements concern Nubians, not Egyptians, so it has little relevance to what we are discussing.

Also, while this is not mentioned in the studies I quoted, significant numbers of sub-saharan African slaves were brought into Egypt during the Islamic slave trade, which also resulted in gene flow from sub-saharan Africa into Egypt.

Most of these came to Cairo and other northern Egyptian cities (where most of the rich Arabs lived) AFAIK. Berbers and whites also became slaves, so the slave business would have lightened the lower Egyptians as much as it would have darkened them.

We know what the pharaohs looked like because they left behind their mummies as you can see here:


http://www.geocities.com/enbp/eg_pics.html

Many of those images are unpainted, or the paint has worn off(and narrow noses occur often among some east Africans without Arab admixture). Women were not portrayed as yellow but rather as brown as men during the New Kingdom. Nefertiti is not always portrayed as olive-skinned:

Nor is Ramses III:

Ramesses II:

http://www.narmer.pl/ima_mum/ramzes2_1.jpg

Yuya:

http://www.maat.com.au/images/Yuya.gif


They don't look like sub-saharan Africans to me.

Yuya most likely had Eurasian ancestry; many Egyptologists believe this because he has "Asiatic" features.

Not all sub-Saharan Africans have stereotypical wooly hair or broad noses. Also, concerning Ramses's straight, brown hair, many mummies' hair show evidence of keratin oxidation, which causes hair to straighten. Trichometer measurements of Egyptian hair's cross-sections yield ratings in the 60's, typical of frizzy-hair people.

I never said Egyptians looked "Negroid" (again, not all sub-Saharan Africans have traditional "Negroid" features), I said they had dark skin and an African origin. Many would use this as justification to call them "black" (though such subjective terms like racial labels shouldn't be used on ancient people IMO).

You know, I do not want to carry this thread off-topic, but I had to take issue with your "refutation".

Edit: BACK TO TOPIC

 

[Rabbit, White]

The download link is broken. Rabbit, you can use Easy Upload to upload the file. The file size limit for this is 5 MB. If it's bigger, you can use 3D Downloads's upload feature.

Darn it, again! Ok fix coming up in couple of hours, sorry about that...

File should be working now. Thanks to Thunderfall.

 

[GrandMatt]

this is looking awesome, i esp like the aditional 2 new styles!!!!

 

[Fer de Lance]

where do we install this mod since there is no readme included with the file?

 

[Markezuma]

Very nice job! This is something I've been thinking about for months and it looks like you have a great start. Keep up the good work I'll be following this mod's progress closely.

 

[Rabbit, White]

Thanks guys

where do we install this mod since there is no readme included with the file?

Just unzip this into either [civ4 installation dir]/Mods/ or into your user directory, something like My Documents/My Games/Civilization 4/Mods. Then when you run the game go to Advanced -> Mod and select Ethnically Diverse Units from the mods list.

 

[Xanikk999]

I was wondering when someone would get around to creating units that are the same but look different for different cultures.

Good job rabbit, i hope this gets added to mods soon!