EU Budget 2014-2020 talks

On what else is such autonomy supposed to be based though? Heritage is another word for a tradition which establishes a community. Other sources of community may be preferable (like ideals), but other sources so far seem inept of providing the mentioned feeling of belonging in sufficient quality (strength of bondship) as well as quantity (people having allegiance to said bondship).

In using the word heritage, I meant specifically one's genetic heritage. It's possible to have a shared cultural heritage that's largely separate from that, which is plenty evident in the Americas, where at the very least, all those of European descent tend to share a belief in the state existing for all of us, regardless of whether we were originally Swedes, English, Czechs, Italians, or whatever else.
 
In the end, the agriculture subsidies was reduced (from 42% of the budget to 38%, and the budget as a whole was reduced as well) which is a step in the right direction. I don't feel the total need to be reduced as it's pretty low but the money really needs to be spent on better things.
The EU should get its own source of money, independent on the will of the national governments. A propose direct EU taxation, let's say 1% VAT applied across the bloc?
Any taxation by EU will remove taxation possibilities from the national governments since you can only have so much total tax pressure. Less taxation power (either to increase or decrease) means less room of manoeuvre for political parties to realize policies once in government. A lot of the ideas that makes left different from right are in the end expressed as changes in taxation in one direction or the other. Reducing that possibility makes national politics somewhat pointless and is thus a threat against democracy.

Besides that 1% would be easy to increase once it's established. Sweden now have 25% VAT and it didn't start that high.
 
This is the Chamber Dommy. Don't soil it like that.
 
Budget Cut (Merkel - I am conservative and responsible and the dame EU knows its way) - But only in the wrong places (haha, Merkel again - I am conservative and protect long established economic sectors - like farming).
I am starting to feel that the older she gets the more conservative. Or calculated?
You're probably wrong. The fact that farming subsidies don't get slashed at a faster pace is nothing you can blame on Merkel in the first place. That should be well known. ;)

However, that's a typical Merkel outcome from a different perspective:
Overall budget cut - yes
German net contribution falling - no; on the contrary, it's projected to rise. In fact, come next year, Germany will not only be the biggest net contributor in absolute but also in relative terms (as % of GDP).

Back at home, she gets credit for trimming the EU budget while silence is kept over rising German contributions. That's not Conservatism at work here. It's the Kohl school of foreign policy.
 
Well, I didn't realize but it doesn't matter because that actually is my opinion on the issue in question.

And that's fine. But it hardly contributes to the discussion does it?
 
Yeah, those irresponsible suckers that got stuck with the USSR should have fought better.

While true, this still doesn't excuse plundering the taxpayers from anywhere else to pay for it. I'd say you have a right to plunder any living former USSR leaders but other than that you have no right to steal from the innocent.
 
In the end, the agriculture subsidies was reduced (from 42% of the budget to 38%, and the budget as a whole was reduced as well) which is a step in the right direction. I don't feel the total need to be reduced as it's pretty low but the money really needs to be spent on better things.

What I noticed is that some important science/technology programmes got less money.

Any taxation by EU will remove taxation possibilities from the national governments since you can only have so much total tax pressure. Less taxation power (either to increase or decrease) means less room of manoeuvre for political parties to realize policies once in government. A lot of the ideas that makes left different from right are in the end expressed as changes in taxation in one direction or the other. Reducing that possibility makes national politics somewhat pointless and is thus a threat against democracy.

I don't see how. It is actually an expansion of democracy, since as Mise pointed out, if the EU actually had some proper income of its own, controlled by the European Parliament, then maybe people would actually start caring more about European-level politics. The EU could then work better as the high-level government that's here to correct and support individual member states.

Besides that 1% would be easy to increase once it's established. Sweden now have 25% VAT and it didn't start that high.

1% is nothing in terms of the overall tax burden imposed by the member states, yet it would give the EU serious money to spend on the good things (hopefully not agricultural subsidies).

The EU shouldn't exist. Its immoral to make taxpayers subsidize other countries, and the irresponsible nations have no right to the money of the less irresponsible nations.

Besides your obviously twisted notions of morality ("it is obviously immoral for friends to help each other" aka "I hope all those poor people die in a dump"), I have to object to your insinuation that taxpayers are forced to subsidize other countries.

Unless you believe that all taxation is criminal, which you very well might in the fairy tale land where you live, then the money which go to the EU go there based on the decisions of legally and legitimately elected governments.

Subsidizing other countries is, moreover, often in the national interest of the donor countries. Germany may pay for better infrastructure in Poland, which in turn boosts Polish economy, which boosts German-Polish trade, which in the end makes German companies more competitive and successful, which means they hire more people and pay more taxes. Win-win.

The alternative is the American approach, also known as "screw Latin America", which has worked so well that the whole world seeks to emulate it... not.
 
What I noticed is that some important science/technology programmes got less money.
That sucks. Also the once proud Galileo project seems to be in trouble.

I don't see how. It is actually an expansion of democracy, since as Mise pointed out, if the EU actually had some proper income of its own, controlled by the European Parliament, then maybe people would actually start caring more about European-level politics. The EU could then work better as the high-level government that's here to correct and support individual member states.
As it works now it's harder to expand the budget and make members pay more against their will. EU-level taxation is too easy to expand. I guess in the end it depends on your vision of how close union EU should become.

Perhaps the parliament could have more say in how the budget should be spent instead (this probably contradicts my vision of a looser union I suspect).
 
My mother just returned from some EU conference on Transportation Projects and I have to say that old and new members are getting a lot of funding for building and improving transport infrastructure. This is a good move IMO and fear not for science, EU Comission just invested a cool billion for finding new uses for graphite.
 
Graphene, nor graphite. They're also throwing up to a billion into the Human Brain Project. I write up to because both projects' continued fundingd epends on their progress. The initial investment wll only be a hundred million each.
Now that's the kind of fundamental research that's far too ambitious for private business or even single nations. Let's hope it leads to results.

Yes, graphene, my bad. I didn't know they also invested into the Human Brain Project. I'm certain it will lead us to discoveries as important as HGP did, if not even greater. These were the other final contenders:
The two other projects that made the finals were one to develop digital guardian angels to keep people from harm, and a massive data-crunching machine to simulate social, economic and technological change on Earth.

I'm curious how the first one would have looked, but I'm sure the US military has something akin to the second one. (either at DARPA or NSA)
 
That sucks. Also the once proud Galileo project seems to be in trouble.

I don't remember a time when it hadn't ;) It will come through, too much money and prestige has been invested in it, and it still makes a strategic and (maybe) economic sense to develop satellite navigation.

As it works now it's harder to expand the budget and make members pay more against their will. EU-level taxation is too easy to expand. I guess in the end it depends on your vision of how close union EU should become.

I wouldn't say so. EU taxation today is a fantasy. IF it was ever agreed, I imagine it would be strictly limited by treaty mechanisms and consensual voting.

Perhaps the parliament could have more say in how the budget should be spent instead (this probably contradicts my vision of a looser union I suspect).

The budget should be proposed by the Commission, the Parliament should play the same role it does in most nation states - approve it or return the bill for reworking. In essence, the Parliament should oversee that the EU spends the money on worthwhile things.

They're also throwing up to a billion into the Human Brain Project[/URL]. I write up to because both projects' continued fundingd epends on their progress. The initial investment wll only be a hundred million each.

Oh my, the EU started researching "Secrets of the Human Brain" :mischief: If it finishes first, it will get one more tech for free :lol:
 
Oh my, the EU started researching "Secrets of the Human Brain" :mischief: If it finishes first, it will get one more tech for free :lol:
:D I suggest we pick nuclear fusion.
 
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