Eugene of Savoy

[Pannonius]

You know there was a time that the Turks were one of the more tolerant empires in Europe... Over time they fell away from that tolerance but if ya ask me the Turks dont deserve the title horde... sorta implies they were barbaric monsters when in fact they had a culture and history that was rather glorious.

Course, thats just my unbiased opinion and I'm sure their are those that would argue it

Thank you for denying the holocaust that happened in SE & central Europe (and lasted for hundreds of years).

 

[holy king]

pannonius thanks people for holocaust denying...

(see, this game isnt that hard to play... doesnt make a very interesting discussion though...)

 

[Shekwan]

On October 18th we comemorate the birth of one of the greatest christian champions of all times: François-Eugène, Prince of Savoy-Carignan. His name became a legend even during his lifetime. I apologize for not posting this on time to comemorate the anniversary, I was really busy these days...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene_of_Savoy

No doubt that he was an amazing commander and deserves comemoration but I can't help but wonder if the "we" right there means members of anti-Islam fanclub...

 

[Dachs]

No doubt that he was an amazing commander and deserves comemoration but I can't help but wonder if the "we" right there means members of anti-Islam fanclub...

Eugen von Savoyen is far more noteworthy for the role he played in the War of the Spanish Succession, as Marlborough's partner and the victor of Turin, than for his victories in the Balkans.

 

[holy king]

he's far more remembered for his recapture of the balkans though...

 

[Quildavyr]

On October 18th we comemorate the birth of one of the greatest christian champions of all times: François-Eugène, Prince of Savoy-Carignan. His name became a legend even during his lifetime. I apologize for not posting this on time to comemorate the anniversary, I was really busy these days...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene_of_Savoy

You do that..

and let me enjoy how the fear still valid is,which is placed in your kins heart's centuries ago....

 

[Dachs]

he's far more remembered for his recapture of the balkans though...

Not round here he isn't.

 

[Dell19]

Either way I feel that the thread opener has been misinterpreted.

edit: or is there a back story that I've missed?

 

[Shekwan]

or is there a back story that I've missed?

This may help fill you in: http://forums.civfanatics.com/search.php?searchid=722723

 

[holy king]

Not round here he isn't.

well, he's kind of our only national hero...

 

[Dachs]

well, he's kind of our only national hero...

Oh yeahhhhh. Wait, does he even count for Austria, being French?

 

[holy king]

yes. hitler was german btw.

 

[Quildavyr]

well, he's kind of our only national hero...

I thought it was Sobieski...

 

[Dachs]

yes. hitler was german btw.

Convenient how that works.

EDIT: Yo Sobieski was, like, Polish.

 

[Quildavyr]

Convenient how that works.

EDIT: Yo Sobieski was, like, Polish.

I know but if a french can be counted as an austrian hero,then a pole could do it to.Anything else would be fascist behaviour.

 

[Dachs]

I know but if a french can be counted as an austrian hero,then a pole could do it to.Anything else would be fascist behaviour.

Yeah, but Sobieski, unlike Eugen, didn't spend his life fighting for Austria. He was pretty Polish...you know, since he was the King.

 

[Quildavyr]

But he saved Austria.. whatever..

 

[Dachs]

But he saved Austria.. whatever..

Well, the word 'national' is kind of important there. Sobieski wasn't an Austrian in any sense of the word, much less so than Eugen was, and so doesn't really qualify as an Austrian national hero. He was, however, a regular hero, and a pretty tragic one too. Poor guy.

Is it Poland's fate to have tragic heroes? Even Marie Walewska could be construed that way...not to mention Jan III, Kosciusko, and Poniatowski.

 

[privatehudson]

Its perhaps one of the interesting and conviniently forgotten facts of history that many a national hero has either disputed nationality like Alexander, were born outside the country that reveres them like Gladstone (he appears in the Hall of Scotish heroes in the William Wallace monument in Stirling despite being a native of Liverpool) or were born in what is now a seperate country like the 1st Duke of Wellington.

In the latter case It was just about the only monument I saw to a "British" hero in Dublin which seems to have survived Irish independence, although that might be more to do with the fact that its a enormous obelisk than any sense of pride in what the local hero achieved.

 

[Sofista]

Oh yeahhhhh. Wait, does he even count for Austria, being French?

Tidbit: he signed himself, and invited people to call him Eugenio von Savoie. He explained that he had three hearts: an Italian one for his enemies, a German one for his friends, a French one for his king.