Evidence for creationism, Part 2.

[GhostWriter16]

Once again. How did they fit all the species of animals on the boat? I don't even think Noah could have fit all the species of animals we haven't discovered yet, let alone all the ones we have.

He didn't, he fit every kind. There's a difference. It would be unwise to speculate too much about exactly what unit a "Kind" is.

And those people are morons.

I really should report this as a personal insult. But instead I'll let you defend that.

That's a lie.

If it were, why would the Islamic leadership forbid searches of the area?

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Could someone who is going to provide evidence for Creationism do this please without referring to Evolution?

I'd like to see the following format:
- Data on which a model was based
- Model/hypothesis which explains the process of Creation
- Test case which has yielded a successful conclusion

If you don't have any of these, and you're just in it to go: It's true, I just know it. Don't bother. You're actually diminishing the case for Creation. Don't say: "Life's too complicated" or "I don't think we evolved from apes" or "but I believe God did it" because dear boys and girls, we're looking for the kind of evidence we can verify. Like it's done in the real world before it is accepted.

I'm pretty sure a 1.000 post thread with gutfeeling non-evidence already exists.

 

[GhostWriter16]

Could someone who is going to provide evidence for Creationism do this please without referring to Evolution?

I'd like to see the following format:
- Data on which a model was based
- Model/hypothesis which explains the process of Creation
- Test case which has yielded a successful conclusion

If you don't have any of these, and you're just in it to go: It's true, I just know it. Don't bother. You're actually diminishing the case for Creation. Don't say: "Life's too complicated" or "I don't think we evolved from apes" or "but I believe God did it" because dear boys and girls, we're looking for the kind of evidence we can verify. Like it's done in the real world before it is accepted.

I'm pretty sure a 1.000 post thread with gutfeeling non-evidence already exists.

Obviously we can't create things out of nothing, because only God can. Evolution (Meaning Macroevolution) has never been observed.

 

[Behind The Mask]

He didn't, he fit every kind. There's a difference. It would be unwise to speculate too much about exactly what unit a "Kind" is.

I really should report this as a personal insult. But instead I'll let you defend that.

If it were, why would the Islamic leadership forbid searches of the area?

1. Thats a load of bollocks.

2. I'm insulted every time you post; I don't get hissy about it... its called growing up and taking an insult.

3. What would they gain from covering it up; do grace me...

 

[GhostWriter16]

3. What would they gain from covering it up; do grace me...

Since they are Muslims, they would not want people to find proof of the Christian religion. That's common sense.

 

[Behind The Mask]

Obviously we can't create things out of nothing, because only God can. Evolution (Meaning Macroevolution) has never been observed.

Then your even more full of it, seeing as I recalled you perhaps admitting microevolution took place, basically contradicting your beliefs.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Obviously we can't create things out of nothing, because only God can. Evolution (Meaning Macroevolution) has never been observed.

Could someone who is going to provide evidence for Creationism do this please without referring to Evolution?

You don't read do you?

You just go *hit reply* and go on and on and on and on.

The first effing sentence of my post and you ignore it. Thanks for being a perfect example of why Creationism will never be taken serious by anyone who knows what they're talking about.

 

[bathsheba666]

He didn't, he fit every kind. There's a difference. It would be unwise to speculate too much about exactly what unit a "Kind" is.

Unwise? Why? and for whom?

 

[Behind The Mask]

Since they are Muslims, they would not want people to find proof of the Christian religion. That's common sense.

Christian...

Muslims believe in Noah also you nit, so obviously they would only benifit proving it.

 

[GhostWriter16]

@Ziggy- Well then, I admit you are correct. It is impossible to prove Creationism. Heck, its impossible to prove anything to do with origins. Putting us at an impasse.

 

[Whiskey_Lord]

Since they are Muslims, they would not want people to find proof of the Christian religion. That's common sense.

I thought Muslims also believed in most of the Old Testament.

EDIT: X-post with BTM.

 

[Brian Shanahan]

When I went into WH Smiths in Wells, they had the Origin of Species under fiction.

I heard they found the remains of Noah's Ark somewhere in Turkey, and that the only way to see it is by satellite.

Now I know you're pulling a fast one. Bravo Sir/Madam/Madamoiselle, bravo! Especially for keeping it up this long.

 

[GhostWriter16]

I thought Muslims also believed in most of the Old Testament.

EDIT: X-post with BTM.

Well, I know they believe in the Law of Moses and in Christ, I don't think they believe the rest (I could be wrong on this point.)

 

[Behind The Mask]

Well, I know they believe in the Law of Moses and in Christ, I don't think they believe the rest (I could be wrong on this point.)

Google it then...

If you're gonna make an arguement then atleast have one that has legs to stand on!

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

@Ziggy- Well then, I admit you are correct. It is impossible to prove Creationism. Heck, its impossible to prove anything to do with origins. Putting us at an impasse.

If there can be no evidence for Creationism, you can't teach it in any science class now can you? Because in science evidence derived from data is the key factor.

So, I take it you agree with me that Creationism should only be taught in religious based education and be removed from all forms of science education.

 

[Chukchi Husky]

Now I know you're pulling a fast one. Bravo Sir/Madam/Madamoiselle, bravo! Especially for keeping it up this long.

Pulling a fast one?

 

[GhostWriter16]

If there can be no evidence for Creationism, you can't teach it in any science class now can you? Because in science evidence derived from data is the key factor.

So, I take it you agree with me that Creationism should only be taught in religious based education and be removed from all forms of science education.

Yes I agree. But then so should evolution.

 

[Behind The Mask]

Yes I agree. But then so should evolution.

If I had a fossil I would knock you upside the head with it.

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[Brian Shanahan]

Pulling a fast one?

Having us on, trying to get us to conclude you're other than you are.
As Homer Simpson once said to a New Yorker "I'm on to you" (but in a good way this time).

 

[sophie]

He didn't, he fit every kind. There's a difference. It would be unwise to speculate too much about exactly what unit a "Kind" is.

Even under this definition, I think you would be very hard-pressed to fit 2 of every "kind" of animal. And, as was said before, depending on the dating, that would equate to about 2000 new species of spider being created every year, and 8,000 new species of spider being created every year. Why do you persist in creating these outrageous scenarios for yourself to defend a story that clearly is not possible when there are much more logical explanations out there?

Moreover, where did Noah put all the food for all the animals? What did the carnivores eat, as you said all the carnivores became carnivores after the fall, meaning they were carnivores by the flood. Where did Noah store all the meat? What did he do with all the manure? And what happened to all the plants?

Finally, how did all the animals from other continents get on the ark? Don't argue Pangaea as geologic evidence shows that by 6,000 years ago the continents were well separated.

I really should report this as a personal insult. But instead I'll let you defend that.

The evidence available proving evolution as fact is rather irrefutable, and the amount evidence suggesting the Darwinian model of evolution is the best explanation of how the fact of evolution works is so overwhelming that to deny it is either to be a.) willfully ignorant, in which case there is no point in arguing with you, or b.) you are deluded, in which case I do, or you are c.) an idiot, in which case you should simply stop talking right now.

If it were, why would the Islamic leadership forbid searches of the area?

Ummm...Why would the Islamic leadership forbidding searches of the area prove that it exists? Muslims believe in Noah and the flood. It's alluded to in the Quran, for crying out loud.