Evidence for creationism, Part 2.

[ValugaTheLord]

Who ever thinks that Creationism is real is out of his god damn mind.

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[Evil_Abe]

To all fellow YECers. Creationism cannot be proven scientifically, and there is very little to no "scientific" evidence to back it up, but there's good news. God never asked us to back him up with science! He doesn't need us to. All that He asks of us is to live according to His word. You'll never prove to anyone that God exists through science, so its a waste of time to try. I'm not saying YECers need to abandon science, I love science actually and there is no solid scientific fact that disproves the Bible. Theories contradict it yes, but not solid facts. This post is essentially me saying that this thread is pointless because its getting nowhere. I'm all for debate, but creationism and evolution are on 2 separate playing fields. So to answer the OP, there is no bonafide "scientific" evidence for creation, but I still believe in creation, that's my right. Thanks everyone.

 

[Arakhor]

EvilAbe, then why are there endless creationsts trying to "prove" creationism or disprove evolution or insist that it is taught in schools as a viable alternative to mainstream physics, chemistry and so on?

 

[Evil_Abe]

Because the ones trying to prove creationism don't understand that God never asked us to. The ones trying to disprove evolution are going about it in a blind desperate way to "prove" creation. I think it should be taught in schools along with every other religion and scientific theories so that people are free to choose what they want to believe.

Edit: I realize that what I'm saying goes against my previous post about how disproving evolution would prove creation, but that's because of the replies I got that helped me see the flaw in what I was saying.

 

[Arakhor]

If they want to teach creationism in religious classes, they can go right ahead. I believe in God, but the last thing I want to see is religion in my science lessons.

 

[Evil_Abe]

I agree to a point, but science and religion don't have to be mutually exclusive. Science can't be used to prove God but it can be used to appreciate him.

 

[Arakhor]

I've always said that they don't need to be mutually exclusive, but people will insist on attempting to use religion to disprove science, when science has never even tried to disprove God.

 

[Evil_Abe]

I agree. And people will insist on using science to disprove God. It comes from both sides.

 

[Arakhor]

I don't think even Richard Dawkins has tried to disprove God scientifically. People of his calibre know better.

 

[Evil_Abe]

Didn't Stephen Hawking say that God does not exist, and tried to explain it from a scientific viewpoint? Or am I mistaken?

 

[Haseri]

I believe he said God wasn't necessary to start the universe, in his new book.

Not 'God doesn't exist'.

 

[Evil_Abe]

I just looked it up. You're right.

 

[El_Machinae]

All that He asks of us is to live according to His word.

Huh? When did God ask us to live according to His word?

 

[Brian Shanahan]

To all fellow YECers. Creationism cannot be proven scientifically, and there is very little to no "scientific" evidence to back it up, but there's good news. God never asked us to back him up with science! He doesn't need us to. All that He asks of us is to live according to His word. You'll never prove to anyone that God exists through science, so its a waste of time to try. I'm not saying YECers need to abandon science, I love science actually and there is no solid scientific fact that disproves the Bible. Theories contradict it yes, but not solid facts. This post is essentially me saying that this thread is pointless because its getting nowhere. I'm all for debate, but creationism and evolution are on 2 separate playing fields. So to answer the OP, there is no bonafide "scientific" evidence for creation, but I still believe in creation, that's my right. Thanks everyone.

Are you forgetting the age of the Earth and the disproval of the creation myth which takes up a good chunk of Genisis. Then there's also things like Noah's Ark, the various attributed ages of all the OT people, Jonah in the whale, et cetera, et cetera, ad infinitum, ad nauseum. And yes Creationism and Evolution are on two different playing fields as you say Evolution playing on the pitch of Reality and Creationism playing on the pitch of Fantasy.

Do not delude yourself into believing that the bible is "the word of god" that it can exist as truth based on no objective evidence for that assertion, for you are badly misguiding yourself and stunting your development. If god were any way good it would want you to find the truth and test all the assertions written in all the "holy books" in the best way possible. The god you describe is a bully who wants to keep you in a state of abject fear and terror in order to control your every action. It is not worth following.

 

[Arakhor]

Come on, Brian, anti-deism isn't part of this thread any more than anti-evolution should be.

 

[Brian Shanahan]

Come on, Brian, anti-deism isn't part of this thread any more than anti-evolution should be.

I just hate it when people peddle the line "we shoudn't question the holy book, it's god's work and it is all true". I think like with any other position held, religion should be questioned critically in the best process you know how.

And while I am atheist, I gladly work with a group of nuns four days out of seven, and think they are among the best this world has to offer. I'm not anti-religion (it just doesn't suit me) I'm just anti-thoughtlessness, and the kind of things EvilAbe said really get my goat.

 

[Arakhor]

I have serious issues with some parts of my specific brand of Christianity, so I choose to overlook them and embrace the parts with which I do agree. Far, far too many people insist on an arbitrary package deal and then forcing it upon people who couldn't care less.

 

[Evil_Abe]

Are you forgetting the age of the Earth and the disproval of the creation myth which takes up a good chunk of Genisis. Then there's also things like Noah's Ark, the various attributed ages of all the OT people, Jonah in the whale, et cetera, et cetera, ad infinitum, ad nauseum. And yes Creationism and Evolution are on two different playing fields as you say Evolution playing on the pitch of Reality and Creationism playing on the pitch of Fantasy.

Do not delude yourself into believing that the bible is "the word of god" that it can exist as truth based on no objective evidence for that assertion, for you are badly misguiding yourself and stunting your development. If god were any way good it would want you to find the truth and test all the assertions written in all the "holy books" in the best way possible. The god you describe is a bully who wants to keep you in a state of abject fear and terror in order to control your every action. It is not worth following.

If God exists then he must be perfectly capable of accounting for all those things you mentioned. I BELIEVE God created the earth already aged, I BELIEVE God supernaturally sustained Jonah in the fish etc etc. Science has a hard time disproving the Bible unless it can disprove the God of the Bible, which at this point is something that is impossible to do. Why do my beliefs offend you so much? I do not live in a state of fear and terror, in fact I am quite at peace with the choice I made to believe in what I believe in. If that bothers you I am sorry.

 

[Ajidica]

Science has a hard time disproving the Bible unless it can disprove God,

Not nescesarily. Disproving the God found in the Judeo-Christian bible does not disprove the idea of God.

 

[Evil_Abe]

You're right. I edited it to fit better.